Author Topic: cleaning question (Read 1296 times)

Mack in N.C. · « **on:** December 13, 2005, 03:00:09 AM »

several actually, as i have said in other post i have a 50 cal renegade that has never let me down. though all shots have been close.....here in nc we have a 1 week long ml season.....what i have done is load it the night before, then most times i get a deer on opening day, reload right after the shot, if i dont hunt the next day i will unload it and run a few patches through it......say i hunt on the 3rd day i wll load it again and so on for a week........i dont give it a good cleaning until after the week is up........

now for the questions,

1 has this hurt the rifling, gun shoots ok with conicals but not great....i can get the barrel clean at the end of the week.....i know everyone talks about rust in barrels but i dont use the soapy water until the end of the week...just patches during the week and they come out black not brown

2. also. i just got a black diamond tc, if its ok to clean like i have in my traditional will it be ok in the bd since it has the removale breech plug.....wondering about the threads sticking if not removed for a week of shooting........

3. so finally do most of you compleatly clean your gun every night?

thanks mack

crow_feather · « **Reply #1 on:** December 13, 2005, 04:46:44 AM »

If you want your rifle to stay pristine, clean it til the wipe is white.

Clean the in-line with salt water and the stock with a blow torch.

C F

Anduril · « **Reply #2 on:** December 13, 2005, 09:08:15 AM »

crow feather

your profile gives you age as 1
"clean the in-line with salt water and the stock with a blow torch"
You are wise far beyond your years.:-)
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harryo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2005, 04:32:29 AM »

Quote from: crow_feather

Clean the in-line with salt water and the stock with a blow torch.

C F

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

spitpatch · « **Reply #4 on:** December 14, 2005, 01:25:04 PM »

Crow feather.......you are definatly a funny man! I'm going to remember that procedure for my friends who shoot the city boy loaders. My wife almost cried laughing!

Slamfire · « **Reply #5 on:** December 14, 2005, 03:45:13 PM »

I've set up my H&A underhammer to be a switch barrel. For cleaning I just remove the fore end and spin the barrel off the breech plug. That way I can use Hoppe's No. 9+ and see when the barrel is clean. That ought to work in an inline, but I'd ask the fellahs that use 'em first. :roll:

sharps4590 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2005, 12:21:13 PM »

I have always been told that Black Diamonds were for advanced skiiers....the things one lea

Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2005, 02:17:49 PM »

thanks to everyone who answered.....funny,,,,,,,i ask 3 questions and maybe get 1 answer.....as you can see i do have a renegade(traditional) and i know yall are tradionalist and thats fine,i dont make fun of your weapons so yall should of not have answered and just left my question at 0 , instead you(crow feather) hi jack my question.....thanks...... i just assummed that this forum would have the knowledge and expertise to help me with my traditional and my inline, but you know what happens when you assume.....dont worry guys i will stay on the other more polite and knowledgeable forums..........also you can rplie will yor so smart little jokes but i wont look at them...see ya......thanks again for your superb help.........mack....

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2005, 04:55:26 PM »

Quote from: Mack in N.C.

thanks to everyone who answered.....funny,,,,,,,i ask 3 questions and maybe get 1 answer.....as you can see i do have a renegade(traditional) and i know yall are tradionalist and thats fine,i dont make fun of your weapons so yall should of not have answered and just left my question at 0 , instead you(crow feather) hi jack my question.....thanks...... i just assummed that this forum would have the knowledge and expertise to help me with my traditional and my inline, but you know what happens when you assume.....dont worry guys i will stay on the other more polite and knowledgeable forums..........also you can rplie will yor so smart little jokes but i wont look at them...see ya......thanks again for your superb help.........mack....

Mack, it was you that was being rude by bringing your inline into the traditional forum.
It's like taking your girlfriend to a gay bar and getting mad when some dyke hits on her. You brought it upon your self.

spitpatch · « **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:16:55 PM »

Mack.....Please don't get mad.....we usually poke fun at the inlines, and just about everyone here at one time or another gets it too, I've had my share, These are good folks and mean no harm. The saltwater and blowtorch remark WAS funny! #1.....I don't think you'll do any damage by leaving a load in there for a few days assuming your powder stays dry. #2 I don't believe cleaning your Inline the same as your real muzzleloader will do any harm at all. #3 I usually do not completely clean my gun every night during the ML season, I do however clean the bore, oil, and dry every night, assuming I shot it. P.S. If you want to see crow feather at his finest, scroll down to "square v round patches" thread I posted and read his reply to me.....It's a hoot! Best Regards, Rick

Anduril · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2005, 09:09:33 AM »

Mack,

my bad
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Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2005, 03:53:31 PM »

being funny is ok...but what happens with being funy is no one was ansering my question.......everyone was responding to the funnys......id rather just get 0 replies........also to the person who said i was rude well thats your opinion......2 out of the 3 questions mainly dealt with my renegade.... !!!so i guess that means if i am on the bear forum and ask 2 questions about bears but then throw in something about bobcats then i am rude.......i dont think that is rude but thats your opinion....i guess its like the flyfisherman snearing down upon the spinfisherman.......you know its rude when the flyfishermen(for example) look down upon the spin fisherman.......also thanks to spitpatch for your answer.......that kind of answr was what i had hoped for to begin with......mack

lostid · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2005, 07:32:38 PM »

To be honest Mack, I've been afraid too answer. Your example of a weeks hunting and shooting is fairly typical,,common, albeit. Yet there are a few variables left out of the story that can determine what I call a "camp cleaning" vrs a "complete cleaning" being needed to protect your gun and maintain proper accuracy through that week of hunting. How you shoot and accuracy is most important during the hunt, Right?

1. Powder make and grade,
2. Your Patch lube and wiping technique,
3. And believe it or not the weather,,is it hot and dry? or is it raining?
4. Is it Cold outside and warm in the house?
5. The Cap's we use deposit a nasty amount of fouling too the nipple and breech area,,,so ya gotta clean that part !

See? CF did give good advise,,"clean it till the wipe is white". Black patches are a bad thing. that means powder fouling is still in there. Powder fouling has some nasty chemicals in it..Mixed with the moisture in the air and/or condensation from temperature changes powder fouling can reek havic on a rifle bore real fast!

so too your question #1. "has this hurt the rifling,gun shoots ok with conicals but not great,,,,,"
I'd say Yes.
How can I answer questions after that?
The last Renegade I had, was punching 4" roundball groups off-hand at 100 yrds,,,,, :wink:

Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2005, 05:07:59 PM »

thanks lostid, i guess i just need to shoot it with more types of bullets....unlke my modern rifles i have never tried anything but maxi balls and hunters in my renegade.......i was kinda vague also.....the season here in nc is only 1 week long........i usually take the whole week off though i may not hunt it every day.......i dont give it a good cleaning until the last day unless it has gotten wet by rain......here in n.c where i hunt it usually is not freezing in the am and usually 50 - 60 degrees in the pm during ml season though there can alwasy be the 80 degree day or the 25 deg morning.......i can get it clean at the end of the week....i also always run a couple of patches down the bore between shots,,,,,.i am probaly going to try some roundballs in it soon...i have never shot a roundball through it,...... don, now retired at t/c told me sabots would not shoot good in my barrel, and i wanted something heavier than a rb.....i will try the rb and see what happens...thanks....mack

Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2005, 05:19:51 PM »

lostid, i almost forgot, .....i do clean it with very hot soapy water.......as you know the nipple channel gets cleaned pretty good with the hot soapy water,,,,,i then clean the nipple channel with a bunch of pipe cleaners until they come out clean.......then bore and channnel get bore butter....thanks mack

lostid · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2005, 11:24:34 AM »

I think you'll find that those n.c. deer will succumb to a proper fitting Patched Round Ball quite nicely.(just ask "roundball" he's from nc :wink: )
ole' don told ya proper,,sabots an them powerbelt things just don't preform well in the kinda gun you have there. Sure they'll shoot OK,,but so will a half-ball take game,,,

good luck too you

catman · « **Reply #16 on:** August 22, 2006, 06:34:38 PM »

crow_feather, you must build a small fire to stay warm a good NDN does....

crow_feather · « **Reply #17 on:** August 25, 2006, 12:50:38 PM »

Mack in N.C.

Mack,

I answered your question. Clean till the patch is white. + That is the only way to protect your rifle. Say that something peressing happens and you have to drive or fly or something for a week or two and not be able to get home. You have a ruined rifle. If the barrel breaks down, 15 minutes protects your investment and gives you peace of mind - which you don't have right now as you asked the question.

Yes, I make fun of in-line rifles - I don't like them and will take a shot - but only on the traditional forum. I do not snipe at in-lines on the modern forum as that would be rude. I try not to insult the person as Greybeard and my own self esteem forbid it. I appologize if you took offense. But I did first answer your question with the best answer I know and will stand by that answer.

You should protect your rifle not because it's an investment or because you want it to shoot accuratly. If you damage the rifle bore enough to where a shot at an animal only wounds the animal, you have failed in your duty as an ethical hunter and you have let your lack of responsibility inflict suffering upon an animal. Neither I believe is your cup of tea. Clean it til the wipe is white.

C F

roundball · « **Reply #18 on:** August 25, 2006, 01:13:59 PM »

Any time I shoot a muzzleloader, I clean & lube it 100%...and I do that before I take a shower, or sit down to eat, or read a paper, etc, to keep them showroom ready all the time...no shortcuts ever...that's just me.

captchee · « **Reply #19 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:37:39 PM »

BP is not corrosive unless its fired or draws moisture while in the barrel . Once BP has been burnt the residue is very acidic and if left over time it will start to pit the barrel .
When you clean , clean tell you get a white patch as has been said . If you have a non paten or improved breech I would recommend a cupped face cleaning jag . With this cup a it will break the fouling away from the breech face where it likes to hide and sometimes not be seen .. Your TC has the improved or patent breech . I find these to best be clean with hot soapy water so as not to get a build up that you will not see on your cleaning patch .
So basically with the way your presently cleaning while not ideal should not have any real effect .
Something that you might think on however is about loading the night before or unloading when you come out of the field .
Sometimes things happen and we get pulled away from . God forbid a medical emergence or such . In the main time your rifle is loaded . You know this but others don’t . how long that gun stays loaded may not be up to us , who handles that weapon hence forth may not be up to us .
IMO its best to not load tell just before we hunt and unload at the end of each day .
If cleaning is an issue then I would recommend one of the new Co2 dischargers they are very handy , clean and only need really a clean swipe of a patch after blowing the charge .
I would also purchase a simple drop down bore light so as to regularly inspect your barrel

Hope that helps some be safe