Author Topic: Ruger 10/22 magnum--unreliable (Read 1324 times)

getitdon · « **on:** December 15, 2005, 02:28:28 AM »

Fellas and non-fellas,

I have a Ruger 10/22 magnum which is--potentially--a great gun. And, it oughta be for about twice the money you pay for a 10/22 , LR.

Have stovepiping problem with this gun and have two choices--that I know of, at least:

1. Buy Volquartsen Exact Edge Extractor
2. Try to get ruger to install or rebarrel with their new double extractor.

WHAT SHOULD I DO? Which is the best fix?

I want to stress--this is a potentially GREAT GUN--providing I can get it to extract reliably. I'm told there is no reliable semi-auto chambered for the 22 rim-fire magnum cartridge.

Don McCullough

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2005, 02:07:43 PM »

Send it to Ruger and make them fix their mistake. There should be no reason why a 22 mag would not work in a semi auto? Then I do not know I never shot one My 22 Mag is a Henry Lever and it works every time with the flick of the lever and shoots very accurate too.

getitdon · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2005, 03:23:51 PM »

Quote from: jh45gun

Send it to Ruger and make them fix their mistake. There should be no reason why a 22 mag would not work in a semi auto? Then I do not know I never shot one My 22 Mag is a Henry Lever and it works every time with the flick of the lever and shoots very accurate too.

jh45gun,

Sent it to Ruger and also 2 local gunsmiths. Still have the problem.

Don McCullough

jh45gun · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2005, 05:38:35 PM »

Well then if it was me I would not put any more money into it and trade it for a Henry Lever or a Marlin Bolt 22 Mag. I know I make a lot of Ruger guys mad but this is the types of reasons I have no Rugers anymore and I have owned a lot in my day. 4 included a Target 10/22's Two 22 single sixes a couple of 44 blackhawks and 3 ruger MK series a MK1 and Two Mk II's one being a Gov model Target pistol. and finally a Mod 77 in 243. Every time I figured I would try one again I either had problems or poor accuracy. Well the 77 was accurate and flawless but I traded that for a other rifle. Bottom line for me is I have found better guns and n a lot of cases not as much money either or for the same price. Now if you have a good ruger guys and there are a lot of them out there keep them as the next one may be a junker.

mag shooter · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2005, 07:39:49 PM »

Double extractors will not help, all 10-22 are blow backs. The extractor is for extracting unfired rounds , clean the chamber and retension the magazine. Tighten the hex nut as tight as you can with your fingers, now tighten the thru-bolt tight. Watch the rotor as you loosen the bolt.You should just see it move ever so slightly. STOP Just right!! By now you are wondering what the mag has to do with stove-pipes, trust me retensioning the mag will help. Also for the first 300 or 400 rounds, you will want to clean the chamber every 40-50 rounds. I also took my action down and cleaned every thing with acetone ( removes all the oil) then put it back up dry ( NO LUBE OF ANY KIND)
I have proably close to 12000 rounds through mine , clean about every 500 or so, haven't had a stove-pipe or ftf since the first 400 or 500 rounds!

If this doesn't help and you will PM me, I'll be glad to take it off your hands. :grin:

Ron

getitdon · « **Reply #5 on:** December 16, 2005, 03:20:59 AM »

Ron,

You're a sharpie. Thanks for your below response. Double extractors will not help?

? Wonder why Ruger is using them on the newer 10/22 mags?

Will you eventually put some lube on your gun you're shooting "dry." I assume you removed the lube with acetone to get it to "wear-in" or smooth itself.

I read that the bolt stop pin often breaks on these 10/22 mags. You had any problems with this?

I had a gunsmith tell me to shoot it a bunch and it might correct itself so no doubt this is helpful.

Thanks,

Don McCullough

Quote from: mag shooter

Double extractors will not help, all 10-22 are blow backs. The extractor is for extracting unfired rounds , clean the chamber and retension the magazine. Tighten the hex nut as tight as you can with your fingers, now tighten the thru-bolt tight. Watch the rotor as you loosen the bolt.You should just see it move ever so slightly. STOP Just right!! By now you are wondering what the mag has to do with stove-pipes, trust me retensioning the mag will help. Also for the first 300 or 400 rounds, you will want to clean the chamber every 40-50 rounds. I also took my action down and cleaned every thing with acetone ( removes all the oil) then put it back up dry ( NO LUBE OF ANY KIND)
I have proably close to 12000 rounds through mine , clean about every 500 or so, haven't had a stove-pipe or ftf since the first 400 or 500 rounds!

If this doesn't help and you will PM me, I'll be glad to take it off your hands. :grin:

Ron

getitdon · « **Reply #6 on:** December 16, 2005, 03:28:19 AM »

jh45gun,

Thanks for your responses. Like me I see you've been "around the block a few time" when it comes to guns. I've had several Rugers and liked most of them. I think you need to be picky. They tend to be bulky and heavy but you also often get a stronger gun as a result.

If I don't get my 10/22 mag shooting reliably I'll sell it and get a Winchester 94/22 mag. I think I'll get'er straightened-out.

By the way, this is the last year of production of the 94/22 so if you'd want a new one.............

Don McCullough

Quote from: jh45gun

Well then if it was me I would not put any more money into it and trade it for a Henry Lever or a Marlin Bolt 22 Mag. I know I make a lot of Ruger guys mad but this is the types of reasons I have no Rugers anymore and I have owned a lot in my day. 4 included a Target 10/22's Two 22 single sixes a couple of 44 blackhawks and 3 ruger MK series a MK1 and Two Mk II's one being a Gov model Target pistol. and finally a Mod 77 in 243. Every time I figured I would try one again I either had problems or poor accuracy. Well the 77 was accurate and flawless but I traded that for a other rifle. Bottom line for me is I have found better guns and n a lot of cases not as much money either or for the same price. Now if you have a good ruger guys and there are a lot of them out there keep them as the next one may be a junker.

mag shooter · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2005, 04:50:39 AM »

"Wonder why Ruger is using them on the newer 10/22 mags? "

My understanding is that it was in orignal response to the early problems with the mag. By the way, how long have you had yours ?

"Will you eventually put some lube on your gun you're shooting "dry." I assume you removed the lube with acetone to get it to "wear-in" or smooth itself."

Yes , I do use lube on the trigger assem, but still run the action dry. Actually the reason for no lube is any oil will attract and hold powder residue and a dirty action on these will not function up to par.

"I read that the bolt stop pin often breaks on these 10/22 mags. You had any problems with this?"

I hear the same, I haven't had any problems yet, not even bent. I shoot Win. 40 gr. , the lighter- hotter loads might be tough on the pins, I just don't know.

Don, I wasn't talking about beating you out of it. If you can't resolve the issue, PM me and we'll talk price .

jh45gun · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2005, 07:04:20 AM »

Don I am sure the Win is a good gun I looked at one when I bought my Henry. I could not get past the price of them for a 22 and I hated the lever it was gritty. I know a lot of folks bash the Henrys but I think they are a great gun and accurate and smooth. I got a friend that has a Ithica from the 70's and it is still going strong. The Ithica and the Erma are the same gun as the Henry. They were made by Erma before the Family that makes the Henry got their own factory running. As a side note they also owned Iver Johnson at one time and made the Colt Caplock Revolvers and Muskets that Colt was selling a few years back.

Keith L · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2005, 07:26:36 AM »

I have to put in a plug for the 9422M. I bought one a few months ago for $150.00 (used but very little). It is smooth as slik, so perhaps the grittyness disappears with use. It is easy to take down for cleaning (which this one badly needed it was full of dust from sitting), handles well, and is fairly accurate. I use the factory sights, and for a 50 yard gun it works well. That is about all I can do with iron sights, so I don't know what the gun is able to do. I use Remington jacketed hollow points and it seems to like them. And it makes me feel like a cowboy when I am out with it.

mag shooter · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2005, 02:42:20 PM »

Actually, I'd like to have a 9422m myself. Always wanted one and guess if I'm gonna do it , I'd better get after it. Still see a few on guns america.
I just wouldn't trade MY 10-22 mag for one!

Keith L · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2005, 03:28:39 AM »

I don't know why you would have to. I have some other 22mags and they don't get upset with each other.

mag shooter · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2005, 09:14:50 AM »

Quote from: Keith L

I don't know why you would have to. I have some other 22mags and they don't get upset with each other.

LOL

Keith , right you are !!!! :lol:

jh45gun · « **Reply #13 on:** December 17, 2005, 08:29:50 PM »

Quote from: Keith L

I have to put in a plug for the 9422M. I bought one a few months ago for $150.00 (used but very little). It is smooth as slik, so perhaps the grittyness disappears with use. It is easy to take down for cleaning (which this one badly needed it was full of dust from sitting), handles well, and is fairly accurate. I use the factory sights, and for a 50 yard gun it works well. That is about all I can do with iron sights, so I don't know what the gun is able to do. I use Remington jacketed hollow points and it seems to like them. And it makes me feel like a cowboy when I am out with it.

Boy you got a STEAL! Considering the price of them new you got it at a give away price. Congrats. I suppose the grittyness does wear smooth most guns do though I had a Savage Striker 22 mag that the trigger was so terrible I dumped it for my Henry 22 mag plus some cash and I never looked back. That Henry is smooth as silk real nice walnut and extremely accurate if I do my part. I know scopes do not fit too well with lever guns as far as looks go but I picked up a steal my self a couple of years ago a Leupold 4x M8 Compact I bought at a rummage sale for 28 bucks! :grin: :grin: :grin: I put it on this Henry and the smaller size of the Compact scope does not look that bad. It makes a nice accurate Combo.