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Offline doctortee

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« on: December 17, 2005, 09:44:41 AM »
the following from another website:

A local sporting good store reported to SoldierTech that Smith & Wesson recommend having the barrels replaced by the factory for a $100 fee after only 1200 to 1400 rounds. This is due to the high-pressure gas cutting into the back end of the barrel. If the gun owner would ignore this problem, eventually the cylinder would also start to erode, causing all kinds of functionality problems.

This gas cutting issue could cause severe sales problems if people don't like to re-barrel so often. But even with the relatively short barrel life-span, in late April, Smith & Wesson announced that its new Model 460XVR received the 2005 "Handgun of the Year" award from the Shooting Industry Academy of Excellence.


i wrote to s&w about barrel life and they at first dodged the question.  i wrote again saying i had 1911 clones with 50,000 plus rounds on them that were still going strong, were they saying their gun would last 2% of that.  they then said, 'well, it depends on what you shoot in it.  it should last between thousands and tens of thousands of rounds before needing a new barrel.'

has anyone else heard this rumor?

assuming it is true, do you think my long barrelled hunter will erode faster than a standard or short barrel?

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2005, 09:55:37 AM »
To be as succinct as possible, THIS REALLY STINKS!!  As a matter of fact its an outrage that a well known gun manufacturer would foist onto the public a firearm that needs rebarreled that quickly.  I think they've shot themselves in the foot.
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2005, 01:53:17 PM »
I heard this before and it my have some validity to it, but it did not deter me from buying 2 of the 460's.  :D
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2005, 04:27:09 PM »
I got one for christmas and shot a of box 45, 454, and 460 each, with the gun, while cleaning the barrel every few shots.  Shooting 45 and 454 was like shooting 22s.  But 460, even though managable recoil, had a lot of hot gas shooting back out of the cylinder gap, leaving black marks on the raised lobes that do not seem to be carbon build-up.  Looks like heat effect on stainless.  Hate to think shooting just 20 rounds would stain the cylinder this bad.

Has anyone seen this?  Did I have to do something special to season the cylinder?
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Re: Cylinder
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005, 01:25:39 AM »
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I got one for christmas and shot a of box 45, 454, and 460 each, with the gun, while cleaning the barrel every few shots.  Shooting 45 and 454 was like shooting 22s.  But 460, even though managable recoil, had a lot of hot gas shooting back out of the cylinder gap, leaving black marks on the raised lobes that do not seem to be carbon build-up.  Looks like heat effect on stainless.  Hate to think shooting just 20 rounds would stain the cylinder this bad.

Has anyone seen this?  Did I have to do something special to season the cylinder?


I just use a lead free cloth and it comes right off.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 05:44:37 PM »
So is it lead build-up?  Should I just use a lead solvent?  Sorry for all the questions but I am new to this.  What is lead free cloth and were can I find some?
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2006, 01:44:52 AM »
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So is it lead build-up?  Should I just use a lead solvent?  Sorry for all the questions but I am new to this.  What is lead free cloth and were can I find some?


I just clean my guns with Shooters Choice solvent and most gun shops carry lead free cloths.  :D
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2006, 03:17:44 PM »
It took a while with the lead solvent, but it came of.  The port holes where a different story.  Lots of build up there.  I should stay with FMJ bullets.

Also, any suggestions on good 460 factory loads? Need to start handloading at some point considering the cost, but need to shoot a few rounds just to get a feel for the gone, before getting to that stage.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2006, 01:45:11 AM »
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It took a while with the lead solvent, but it came of.  The port holes where a different story.  Lots of build up there.  I should stay with FMJ bullets.

Also, any suggestions on good 460 factory loads? Need to start handloading at some point considering the cost, but need to shoot a few rounds just to get a feel for the gone, before getting to that stage.


If you want to shoot factory rounds and save money, go with the Hornady ammo. I did fine in my 460's that my reloads give me the best accuracy. I am shooting 260 gr. Nosler Partitions and 240 gr. XTP's from Hornady. I bought some 200 gr. bullets from Barnes, but I don't think I am going to reload them anytime soon.  :D
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2006, 02:37:26 AM »
Barrels erode at the rear so the length will have no bearing on the problem if there is one.

Since the barrel asembly is derived from the Dan Wesson barrel assembly, why didn't S&W go whole hog and simply make the barrel interchangable like the Dan Wesson?
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2006, 10:13:08 AM »
Most likely because some bean counter said it'd be too expensive!
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2006, 02:36:39 AM »
/QUOTE/well, it depends on what you shoot in it/QUOTE/   :cry:

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I had a mild interest in adding one of these cannons to my fleet, but this barrel problem is a REAL turn off !! The above QUOTE is a great response and how can they judge what any consumer will shoot in one ? Are they figuring that the FACTORY loads will be so expensive that MOST will hand load, and they can BLAME the hand loader for a TRUE product FAILURE ? :roll:  I have a model 57 that has had thousands of rounds through it with NO ill effects, BACK when they CARED about what they sold to there customers. I also wonder what the performance center will DO to change this problem now that they have placed a price of well over a thousand dollars on one? To me this isnt chump change and it NEEDS to be fixed and adhered to as all the revolvers that have all ready left there factory with this dillema. Do they figure most will use them as a safe queen and they will not wear them out by shooting them ?I had ONE of there NEW wonder guns as well, that the finish wore off, as it was "SPRAY-PAINTED" and eventually the barrel loosened up to where I took it off with my fingers.{SEE PICTURE BELOW}This was discovered JUST before I decided to FIRE it at a local range as I drew it from the holster I heard a RATTLE. A further inspection showed me that the barrel had loosened and if I fired it the aftermath may have been fatal. I sent it back and they did REPAIR it, but it was SOLD shortly after as they could NOT guarantee it WOULDNT happen again, and this was a REAL turn off to me.They also EXPLAINED that the barrel loosening PROBLEM was a common thing in the EARLY produced models like mine but FAILED to CONTACT me about the issue ? :evil:  Is this any way to make hand guns and sell them for the astronomical prices they fetch, or the old World reputation they EARNED ?  Sad to think that S&W rests on it's laurals of Old school guns and now produces headaches like this, and in turn put the public in danger by using them as a testing ground rather than PROVE a product before marketing it. What if they sell one to a guy that does not pay close attention and eventually it bursts from this pressure issue ? I myself will WAIT to see if they correct it before buying one and keep the old 57 around as my favorite game cartridge. Come to think of it John Deere did the same move. They produced one of the most durable Lawn Tractors made early on, and I HAVE a 1978 model that just keeps going and only needs and occasional belt to make yet another uninterupted season. I purchased a newer one, by the way.. NOW sold at Home Depot and made VERY CHEAP.. It stayed with me for 1 year and was plagued by mechanical breakdowns. I was VERY GLAD to sell it and just as pleased to KEEP the old one around as a BACK UP and will continue to be my ONLY lawn Tractor  that they BUILT there reputation on... Hammerdown

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2006, 03:03:31 AM »
I didn't hear about barrels and cylinders but, did hear that forcing cones could suffer in a short period of time? I suppose that is the price one pays for all that velocity? Also, I heard it would be warrenty work, if the owner chose to have it rebarreled. Hey Kurt, so much for the theory, the pinned barrel isn't nessisary any more?
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2006, 02:10:29 AM »
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Hey Kurt, so much for the theory, the pinned barrel isn't nessisary any more?

Hello S.B.
Most of what I have in S&W wheel guns DO have the pinned Barrel. To me it was a BAD move on S&W's part to cease this crucial process. At least with the pin, it would be impossible for a revolver to have the problem that I have shown above.. NEWER isn't always better to me !!  :cry: Hammerdown
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2006, 02:14:40 AM »
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Hey Kurt, so much for the theory, the pinned barrel isn't nessisary any more?

Hello S.B.
Most of what I have in S&W wheel guns DO have the pinned Barrel. To me it was a BAD move on S&W's part to cease this crucial process. At least with the pin, it would be impossible for a revolver to have the problem that I have shown above.. NEWER isn't always better to me !!  :cry: Hammerdown
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