Author Topic: Why ? (Read 704 times)

TOMMYY01 · « **on:** December 18, 2005, 09:57:46 PM »

I've read some posts about the handis that aren't shooting great or at least good! This should not be happening. They 're single shots for crying out loud! It's not like there is a lot to tinker with, like with other firearms. The QC and QA dept. should be getting a handle on this. Single shot anything should be the most accurate shooting to be, since there are no moving parts and the bullet is stable. Don't get me wrong , my handis shoot great, but the HR/NEF guys need to take the QC and QA problems and get them straightened out ASAP! This kinda stuff usually leads to a company going broke before to long or being sold . And to bring in the new stuff, makes no sense. Remember, to stay with the other guys, you have to make a quality firearm ALL THE TIME! I love my handis, but if the corporate guys don't care about any thing but money, they won't have a baseline to work from if the co. goes down the tubes! :wink:
tommy

Datil · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2005, 11:56:41 PM »

Tommy01, I agree with you 100 precent on that.
They need to do more checking on some barrels before they leave
the factory. just my 2 cents. Marv.

Duce · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2005, 01:13:16 AM »

Tommy: This question has been banter about every since this forum started!! I agree wholeheartedly with you!! Thing is that in the world of business, they don't look at things the same. I believe at first the lack of QC was to keep retail price down, now it a product of "we're selling them faster than we can make'em" mentality. In some ways we are the cause, we wanted a low cost firearm, now we want anything they are willing to put out. We Have Met The Enemy And He Are Us: :eek: <>< Duce:

trotterlg · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2005, 03:30:04 AM »

I am thinking it is built into the design of the rifle. Because it cannot be as rigid as a bolt or lever gun (the barrel and action are only locked together on one side of the barrel) it just is not going to be capable of the consistant accuracy that other action types have. I do love them, but for me the inconsistancy makes them not worth dealing with. Larry

MSP Ret · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2005, 04:14:49 AM »

Hey Larry, congratulations on your sale of the .17 Rem barrel, you did well!! Merry Christmas....<><.... :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2005, 05:23:41 AM »

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Single shot anything should be the most accurate shooting to be, since there are no moving parts and the bullet is stable.

One would think that...but seldom does it work out that way...The ridgidity of the action is one the main factors in accuracy...if it starts flexing too much...accuracy is going down the tubes real fast...with a bolt gun..that usually isn't the case and doesn't happen...granted...you can have some exceedingly accurate single shots....but our break actions aren't the strongest and are prone to flexing more than others...

Mac

Nixter · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2005, 08:43:09 AM »

I look at it this way. They are hunting guns. One shot and you go home. If that one shot from a cold barrel gets the job done then the weapon and the hunter did what they are supposed to do.

Benchrest guns they aren't. All day at the range producing one hole groups? No.

Yes there are some really fine shooting Handis out there but for the most part they are for us average Joe's. Can they be made to shoot fine groups all day on paper or on a dog town? Absolutely. Do they have quality issues outside of accuracy? Again, absolutely.

Would I like to see quality improve to the point that I (or any other consumer) would like to see from an American made gun priced for the average guy? You guessed it, absolutely.

H&R/NEF/Marlin have a strong history and heritage in the American firearms scene. They owe it to their customers, current and future to maintain a high level of quality at a price that we can afford.

Nixter

Wow, after reading that, maybe I should do some PR work for them... :roll:

mitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2005, 11:33:24 AM »

Quote from: Nixter

Benchrest guns they aren't. All day at the range producing one hole groups? No.

i disagree to me if gun don't shoot better them i can it has no purpose to me and is quickly out the door.

Nixter · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2005, 12:00:03 PM »

Mitchell, with all due respect I was mentioning the average Joe.

It seems your shooting skills are a bit above average. Or your Handis are. It might be a mix of both.

I am not ignorant of the accuracy that these rifles are capable of. I think the issue is the consistency from rifle to rifle which goes back to Quality Control.

Some consumers aren't lucky enough to dismiss a rifle if it doesn't perform to their liking, they adjust and adapt.

You, being a good rifleman, dismiss inferior equipment. Not all Handi owners have that luxury.

I am not saying you are spoiled or special, please don't take my comments as hostile. Quite the contrary, you have taken a budget rifle and shot benchrest quality groups. (ok, benchrest shooters back-off the groups mitchell and others are quite good considering the equipment)

Back to my point.

Mitchell, have you ever needed more than one shot at a coyote with your Handi? How is your one shot succes rate with whitetail deer? Squirrels or coons? By the way, I'm not picking on Mitchell, just that he is a good shot and well known on this board.

I am confident enough in my Handi in 223 that if I were to get a 'yote within 200 yards, I would take the shot. Now, the issue is if I could get it within 200 yards... :wink:

Have I rambled on enough to make my point? I hope so.

Nixter

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2005, 01:54:43 PM »

I wish I could make mine shoot, the 17 rem barrel is great, and it is a load of fun, pull the trigger and a little hole just appears in the paper. I would suggest the taper I had on the barrel to anyone wanting a little lighter barrel, the bull barrel to in front of the forearm and a straight taper from there to .550 at the muzzel leavs the barrel nice and stiff while loosing weight out front, it is a pleasure to shoot, just wish I could have solved the vertical stringing problem. I also had the vertical stringing problem with a Rossi in .243, so I think it is just a break action thing. My .223 is not nearly as bad, so I know it is a lock up problem. Does anyone really know what the barrel is supposed to lock up against? Is it the breach? I have a 16 gauge topper that has a credit card size gap at the breach and still locks up tight. Larry