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Why it's okay to eavesdrop on Americans
« on: December 19, 2005, 06:40:31 PM »
A keystone of Republican Party policy, and this administration, has been privatization, and cutting taxes.  But unlike past administrations, this one does not want to cut spending, as the only place to cut it, is on programs for the sick and the poor or the elderly, however, being many of their policies have resulted in an increase in the numbers of sick and poor, and the population is aging it would be political suicide to cut spending on these by much.

Thus the dilemma facing the administration, how to cut taxes maintain spending, and balance the budget.  Now a problem like this requires thinking outside the box.  Whenever a democrat has faced a budget shortfall like this he just raised taxes.  Even old time conservatives like Reagan would raise taxes, not as much as a democrat would, because Republicans know, as Vice President Cheney told former Treasury Secretary O’Neill, “You know Paul, Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.”   But Bush is a different kind of Republican, and is not going to mortgage away a future generations welfare, in order to cut taxes and maintain spending by borrowing, no that’s pre 9/11 thinking.

Which brings us to President Bush’s and his inner circle’s decision not to obtain warrants from the FISC, Foreign Intelligence Security Court, to legally engage in domestic eavesdropping, and why he is determined to continue doing so.  You see the problem with getting a warrant from FISC, is it takes time.  Now the law does provide for obtaining one retroactively in times of war or national emergency, but the administration has not done this either.  Naturally you have to show a reason for the warrant, since 1978 when the court was established under FISA, Foreign Intelligence Security Act, few warrants, if any have, been denied.  As of 2003 the number of wiretap warrants issued by FISC out number those issued in normal criminal cases.  So it would seem that there is little reason for not following the legally proscribed route for eaves dropping, but that’s thinking in the box, and the and the realities of our post 9/11 world require outside the box thinking.

Now Bush is the only President to have an MBA, and Vice President Cheney ran Halliburton, and these guys know how to think outside the box and make money.  I mean Bush used $600,000 in borrowed money to buy 1.8% of the Texas Rangers and be one of two managing general partners, and later sold his stake for $14 Million or around 10% of the teams value.  Cheney’s former company, Halliburton, has been awarded billions in government contracts, many of which were no bid, and has refunded a few million in over billings as they happen to be stumbled upon.

With two outside the box guys like these, plus a couple of legal eagles like Harriet Miers and Attorney General Gonzales, there was no chance that the administration would not find a solution to the problem of cutting taxes, maintaining spending, and balancing the budget, and so they have.

It is a brilliant and elegant solution that Bush and his inner circle conceived, that is in complete  harmony with the principles of the Republican Party and the Presidents conservative base, and its’ simplicity is genius.

The Bush deficit reduction plan wipes out the public in the public debit by privatizing it, now it still has to be paid but instead of using tax revenues the government will use private money.  Seems impossible I know but this is where the outside the box thinking comes into play.

Using the NSA’s eavesdropping and electronic warfare abilities, the government will be able to intercept and record all credit card transactions and electronic transfers of funds that result, and by electronically diverting a small amount of money from each of the billions of transaction into the vast number of government accounts that exist, and than interfering with the tracking of the transfers, the diversion of funds will be impossible trail, and thus in short order the government will be able to reduce the federal deficit.  Naturally going to a FISC court would impossible, as the number of warrants would be astronomical, but the administrations outside the box thinking cap is always on.  If the eavesdropping is discovered refuse to comment on grounds of national security.  If that doesn’t work assert Presidential powers as Commander in Chief.  And if that doesn’t work accuse the critics of security violations, name them as terrorism suspects, or declare them enemy combatants, and detain them indefinitely

For the first time in the history of the world, a country can cut taxes, increase spending, fight a war, and reduce its’ public debt, that’s the kind of outside the box thinking we need in this post 9/11 world..  

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2005, 12:52:46 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2005, 06:16:37 AM »
I think I am beginning to understand what is meant by “compassionate conservative”.

Clinton would often say, “I feel your pain”, but being a Democrat, this was obviously only pathetic pandering.

But with the revelations about government eavesdropping, President Bush, without saying a word, has clearly demonstrated his compassion is genuine.  Yes actions do speak louder than words, and it should be obvious to even the most liberal Democrat

President Bush Listens!

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2005, 01:35:04 AM »
It's almost comical...so many folks agonizing over the internet that the NSA may have eavesdropped on some terrorists !
   
     They talk as if COMPLETE PRIVACY is some kind of "holy grail"...

   The fact that these folks are even using the internet...proves that they are not really that concerned about their "complete privacy"...

   Face it folks....COMPLETE privacy doesn't exist anymore !
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005, 03:15:37 AM »
I agree Ironglow, but complete paranoia does exist.  It is very selective though.  The activities of the NSA would never come up if it weren't for the liberal media and politicians, so desperate to discredit everything and anything that this administration does.  And before anyone gets their panties in a wad, that doesn't mean that I think the President should be able to do anything he wants, but niether should he be denied the tools that he needs to fight the war on terrorism.  Oh, and for you left of center kibitzers, yes I do consider politicians like Arlen Specter and others of his ilk to be liberals.  

I don't question their devotion to the Constitution, but their indignation over this so-called illegal spying doesn't persuade me that they are really that concerned about our sacred "rights".  These same staunch defenders of our Constitutional civil rights, are curiously not bothered a bit by anti-gun laws that are clearly in contravention of the Second Amendment.

Bottom line here is that the Congress needs to have oversight of NSAs activities to assure that what they are doing is for the benefit and security of this country.  I have no confidence that if the entire Congress is involved that the country will be the better for it.  Too many members of our present Congress would sell us all down the river if it suited their political objectives.
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