Can't get on the forums. Graybeard I know you said it has something to do with the spider bots but I have never had this much trouble before. Last night I couldn't even get the forums to load. I tried to access last night from MSN, Verizon, Yahoo, and Google and kept getting a message that said web page was unavailable. Got access this morning and takes forever to load and at times get the same message, web page unavailable. I know you probably get tired of hearing about this but it sure does get aggravating. THANKS, EVERETTE.