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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2006, 09:33:04 PM »
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You hold a low opinion of me for criticizing your lack of respect for the game laws by not reporting an on going poaching situation?


I don't care if my cousin kills a person with an axe, family is family.  Friends are friends, and they can do what they want.  I'm not here to control anybody, and I don't think that you should be either.  It is their life, they bear to consequences, and putting anyones life responsibilities exept for your children is rediculous.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2006, 01:35:11 AM »
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You hold a low opinion of me for criticizing your lack of respect for the game laws by not reporting an on going poaching situation?


I don't care if my cousin kills a person with an axe, family is family.  Friends are friends, and they can do what they want.  I'm not here to control anybody, and I don't think that you should be either.  It is their life, they bear to consequences, and putting anyones life responsibilities exept for your children is rediculous.


Yep.....I agree to a point.  We have become a society that needs to tattle tail on someone not so much because we disagree, but because we think they might be getting away with something.

We need a burn permit to burn anything here.  I disagree with this law and would never call the burn nazi's to report anyone for illegal burning.  My sister's neighbor, who is also the mayor, called her and wanted her to call in a report on one of the neighbors, she told him it wasn't bothering her, and if it bothered him to call his self.  She also bent his ear about why the law was passed.  (FEDERAL MATCHING DOLLARS).

In china they have what is called the neighbor hood snoop who's job is to call the police to report her neighbors for any activity not approved by the party.

What I do on my land is my business.  What my neighbor does on his land is his business.  I'm tired of the government making it their business.
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2006, 02:28:08 AM »
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You hold a low opinion of me for criticizing your lack of respect for the game laws by not reporting an on going poaching situation?


I hold a low opinion of you because you're an pestering and argumentive, who tends to not realize the boundary of what is his business and what isn't.

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Your opinion means didly to me,when your family gets caught I expect you will go down with them,


I'm gonna go down?  Wonder how that's gonna happen.  Maybe we can make a new crime.  We'll call it NONAYA's Fantasy in the 1st degree.  I'm not doing anything illegal if you have been following the thread.  You do seem to have problem with the written word though.

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I seriously doubt someone with your opinion of poachers gives a darn about the law,if you had an inkling of hunting ethics you would take steps to stop the poaching,


No, as someone who gives a darn about the law, I FOLLOW it.  Period.  I don't kill deer out of season, I don't take over a bag limit, I don't hunt at night.  Before duck season I'll spend hours and hours studying the rules before heading out in the field.  What you fail to understand is that if someone else violates these rules, IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO TURN THEM IN.  If they are caught then I have no sympathy.  If someone did it on my land I'd turn them in in a heartbeat.  But if I'm not already involved, then I'm not getting involved.

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you dont have to involve the law to stop it,

In this case I have let them know about things like the fines if they're caught, and generally encourage them not to to it.  I'm not going to do anything further.

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from what you tell us the law in your part of the country dont give a darn anywhoo.


Again, you don't seem to be able to understand the written word.  Have you always had this problem?  The Game Wardens in this area set out mechanical deer and will sit in fields trying to catch people around here all the time.  They catch MANY of them (and my general reaction is generally "I told you so.").  They write out tickets left and right.  That's they're job, and they do it.  If you come up and start reporting people for a game violation that doesn't involve something as blatant as leaving an animal to rot or if it doesn't involve you're property though, then you're branded as a troublemaking (censored word) by them and everyone else (and rightly so IMHO).  They enforce the law and catch the violators.  Let them do their jobs.

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How bout we agree you are ignoring the fact that it is your responsability to help stop poachers and you have chosen to ignore it,and that I have a low opinion of.


AGREE?  That's what we've been arguing about the whole time.  You can hold a low opinion of whatever you want, but my whole position is that it's NOT my responsibility to enforce game laws.

Now I'm done with this thread.  I'm tired of saying the same thing back and forth to a person who doesn't seem to be able to even understand what he's reading.  Until we meet again . . .

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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2006, 10:18:03 AM »
You follow all laws do you?Well there is also a law that says you  have to report crimes that you know are taking place,and you dont.Knowoing about it and doing nothing is just as bad as comitting the crime yourself,dont play Mr Goodguy cuz you aint,and I doubt you ever will be. :roll:
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2006, 11:50:53 AM »
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You follow all laws do you?Well there is also a law that says you  have to report crimes that you know are taking place,and you dont.Knowoing about it and doing nothing is just as bad as comitting the crime yourself,dont play Mr Goodguy cuz you aint,and I doubt you ever will be. :roll:


You are just kidding right?  If I don't report a crime I'm just as bad as the guy who commits it?

With the proliferation of laws, it won't be long till we're all criminals.

Think for yourself.  If you don't, the other idots will.
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2006, 12:42:51 PM »
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You follow all laws do you?Well there is also a law that says you  have to report crimes that you know are taking place,and you dont.Knowoing about it and doing nothing is just as bad as comitting the crime yourself,dont play Mr Goodguy cuz you aint,and I doubt you ever will be. :roll:


There is no such law.  As stated earlier, the only thing I can think of that you might be confusing is "accessory after the fact".  For this, you have to take an ACTIVE position in the commission of the crime, or in preventing their guilt from being proven.  Examples:

Helping them skin poached game.
Helping them drag poached game out of the woods.
Getting rid of remains.
Informing them of a LEO's prescence to prevent capture.
Denying knowledge if specifically asked by a LEO.

Not turning them in is simply not getting involved (ie, you're taking a PASSIVE stance, hereby excluding any wrongdoing and making a charge of "accessory after the fact" not applicable).  

In plain English, I'm not breaking any laws.  No ammount of "in your books", "oughta's", or any your pestering is going to change that.

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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2006, 02:42:03 PM »
You are breaking the law in my state,just last year a woman was arrested and sentenced after her husband commited several game law violations and she did nothing,they were able to prove she knew it was happening and did nothing,she used the "family" defense just like you but it did her no good,she recieved a suspended sentence,5 years probation and lost her hunting rights for 5 years.You might not be breaking the law in your state but you have proven a total lack of ethics that apply in EVERY state,you have chosen to turn away and do nothing to stop the breaking of the law. :wink:
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2006, 03:02:53 PM »
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You are breaking the law in my state,just last year a woman was arrested and sentenced after her husband commited several game law violations and she did nothing,they were able to prove she knew it was happening and did nothing,she used the "family" defense just like you but it did her no good,she recieved a suspended sentence,5 years probation and lost her hunting rights for 5 years.You might not be breaking the law in your state but you have proven a total lack of ethics that apply in EVERY state,you have chosen to turn away and do nothing to stop the breaking of the law. :wink:


See?  I told you!  Wait long enough and we'll all be criminals!  



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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2006, 05:26:43 PM »
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You are breaking the law in my state,just last year a woman was arrested and sentenced after her husband commited several game law violations and she did nothing,they were able to prove she knew it was happening and did nothing,


Dollars to donuts she was doing more than just keeping her mouth shut.  If she were to clean or cook the game then she has taken part in it.Do you have an article scan or link we can check the facts on?  As I've stated many times, I flat out don't get involved.  I'm not helping them do anything (as mentioned earlier I disapprove of the practice), but I'm certainly not gonna run off yelling "Momma! Momma! Look what Jimmy did!".  


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she used the "family" defense just like you but it did her no good,

I haven't been using a "family" defense.  I said that I'm related to a good number of poachers.  My entire argument beyond that was that it's not my business to turn violators in.  That's not just a "family" thing.  That applies to anybody who's not doing anything on my property.  Family or no family, it isn't my business to get involved in it.  


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You might not be breaking the law in your state but you have proven a total lack of ethics that apply in EVERY state,you have chosen to turn away and do nothing to stop the breaking of the law. :wink:


That's an opinion that I do not share.  I follow all the laws regarding the taking of game in my area.  What others do is their own business.

My position is set.  I frankly don't care one bit what you think.  I'm not posting here looking for your seal of approval.  Doesn't look like I'm changing your mind, and you're sure as hell not changing my mind.  There's no point in carrying this on any further.

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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2006, 05:42:04 PM »
Its a clear lack of ethics,you cant justify your inaction to me by telling me it didnt happen on your property its none of your buisness.Is your responsability to help enforce game laws,they protect the opportunitys of the law abiding hunters.Im not trying to change your mind Im trying to educate it,its obvious you have a very foggy idea of your responsabilitys as an ethical hunter.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2006, 07:30:18 PM »
NONYA, just because you know something, does not make you a criminal....  we have this thing... it's called the bill of rights....  it gives us the freedom to uhm... shut ourselves the heck up.  Other people's business is their business, and you trying to become part of it is just stupid.  Does your mood depend on how the celebrities relationships are going?  

We have LEO for a reason, mostly cause I don't want to put up with other people's crap.  If you really believe this and you want to go on your righteous crusade to control everyone, have fun.  Oh, and how many people did die in the crusades by the way?  Guess it was the right thing to do......
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« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2006, 08:34:17 PM »
Corbanzo you make no sense at all...I doubt you ever will :roll:
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2006, 01:45:34 AM »
Maybe we view deer a little differently that up your way.  Here in Tennessee, in a large portion of the state you can kill 3 does per day.  That's over 120 does per year.

In my middle Tennessee home, I often had 35 or more deer in my front pasture.  They ate everything, fruit trees, tomato plants, flowers, and anything they could get their mouth on.  Heck the limit on rabbits is 5 per day.

Posted land and state wildlife laws (college boys)  have created a situation where deer are a varmit in parts of the state.  When rabbit hunting over dogs, I have a better chance of seeing more deer than rabbits.  

Here in East Tennessee the problem isn't that bad yet and the limit is set accordingly.

Crows, the despised bird, now has a season of 120 days due to the crow being the Mexican national bird and the deal was put through in the NAFTA deal.  You really don't think Bubba and the boys are going to pass up a shot at a crow in their corn field do you?

I really believe that the wildlife resources people are just like any other branch of government and want to grow the size of their "empire".  The state hunting regulations are now almost 50 pages and a lot of the game laws are not clear and require a law degree to determine what they mean.  In my opinion, we are over governed in this area as well.  When I was a kid, the entire hunting and fishing regulation was on a tri fold card that fit in my back pocket.

If the government continues to grow, and keeps passing more laws, then more and more of us will become criminals.   We live in a time where large goverment is hungry.  The hungry beast will soon consume everthing.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2006, 10:11:30 AM »
I would love to post a lengthy reply to this thread but I just found out I need to go turn myself into the authorities because of the lenghty list of crimes I have broken recently.....

1.) On the way to work I see at least 10 people speeding every day.
2.) I also see people not wearing seat belts in their cars.
3.) I saw a person parked in the handicap spot just this morning with no visible sticker.
4.) I can't even count the number of expired plates and broken head/tail lights I have seen in my life.
5.) I have seen people running red lights, rolling through stop signs, etc..
6.) My brother once rode a motorcycle without a valid motorcycle permit, I better call him....
7.) etc, etc, etc....

DO you see where this is going.  I will probably be put away for life if the authorities find out about this stuff before I tell them :lol:
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2006, 10:36:36 PM »
mORE AND MORE EXCUSES,IT DONT MAKE IGNORING GAME CRIMES ok,i DONT CARE HOW YOU WAANT TO RATIONALIZE IT....
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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2006, 06:22:45 AM »
I see where both are coming from.  I will call the law on somone I catch on my land, or if I see someone pulled over at 11pm shooting deer in a field.  However, if someone tells me they have poached, it's really none of my business.  I have family that live in places that have never been graced by the presence of a Warden that will and have shot everything that moves (including each other) at anytime of they year.  If I were to call the Warden, he would laugh at me and tell me to take care of it my ownself, as he's not going back that hollar.  They also make and sell 'shine. It's not done in front of me (well, the disposing of some of the 'shine is. :grin:), so it's NONMY business and it's NONYA business.  Also, different parts of the country have differnt views on these things.  Deer are more common than rats in my part of SC.  We don't check in any deer and can take 15, with rifle season from 10/11 to 01/02.  The locals poach a lot of deer and get caught.  The GW cracks jokes with them while writing the ticket, then goes on his way, and their like as not to go back to poaching as soon as he has rounded the corner.   In Ohio, it was a bigger deal with the reposession of weapons and even time served.
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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2006, 12:45:37 PM »
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Deer are more common than rats in my part of SC.  We don't check in any deer and can take 15, with rifle season from 10/11 to 01/02.


Upstate right?  They're even more common down here in the low country. :lol:   No limit on bucks at all on private land (does are restricted to certain days) and on public land you can kill 2 bucks per day with no yearly limit (again, does on certain days).  Season lasts from 8/15 to 1/02.

I've got an uncle (and this is one of the ones who does obey the laws) who legally gets at least 30 deer per year, and has gotten over 100 one year.  He works for a large plantation that considers them pests so they encourage him to bring his rifle to work and just go sit in the field after he knocks off from work.  Seems like he gets one every few days (and he's been known to bring home 3 at once).  Once he fills his freezers he'll start giving them away (refilling the freezer as they run out so long as season is in).

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« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2006, 04:52:46 PM »
You guys must live in the one place in the US where the Game wardens dont follow up reports of poaching,if you called and reported someone in possesion of an illegaly taken animal here they would be there to check it out in a matter of hours at most,if your law enforcment has a poor attitude as you say i can understand why you "hunters" dont bother reporting anything,no ethics in the law enforcment or the public... :roll:
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« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2006, 05:34:49 PM »
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You guys must live in the one place in the US where the Game wardens dont follow up reports of poaching


This is the precise reason I refuse to discuss the issue further with you.  I said many, many times (even in rebuttal to the exact type of statement above) that the wardens do indeed check out anything that's reported.  WylieKy wrote the same thing.  I know you must have read them, but then you come back half a page later stating the same incorrect drivel.

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« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2006, 06:19:43 PM »
personally I think this should be an EBD to this argument, as the Laws are diff in diff. States and b4 you guys make an ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS out of yourself carrying on an argument that can go on forever and really alienate some of the quests here, I am sure graybeard is watching this and will put a stop to it sooner than later!!!!!!!

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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2006, 08:33:10 PM »
This is just one example of what you said about your wardens"will lose a lot of respect for someone who "tattle tales".",you said if you reported a game crime this would be the result from the wardens.Do you have short term memory loss?Facts are that you know about people who poach and you refuse to do the right thing,no excuse you can imagine will make this right. :roll:
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2006, 09:48:10 PM »
This group of poachers were shut down when a FAMILY member stood up,did the right thing and put and end to thier BS...

10 accused of hunting crimes, 4 plead guilty
By GREG TUTTLE
Of The Gazette Staff

Ten people accused of illegally killing dozens of deer in Yellowstone County in what wildlife investigators called "the Huntley Poaching Project" were charged Wednesday in Justice Court.

Three of the accused were charged with felony crimes in the killing of nine white-tailed and mule deer bucks in a 45-day period, including a trophy-class white-tailed deer. Much of the illegal hunting happened at night with a spotlight in the rural eastern and northeastern reaches of the county, authorities said.

Jeff Scott, an investigator with the state Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, described the accused poachers as a loose-knit group of thrill-seekers who killed the wildlife without remorse, leaving carcasses in the field to rot and collecting only the head and antlers.

Scott said investigators eventually collected 50 big-game heads during the investigation that began in December with a tip to the state poaching hot line. Two Huntley families appear to be at the center of the poaching activity, Scott said, with others taking part simply for bragging rights. The investigation included dozens of interviews and the execution of three search warrants, said Scott, the lead investigator in the case. The investigation also expanded into Park and Musselshell counties, where several more people are scheduled to be charged this week.

"I would describe these crimes as significant," Scott said Wednesday. "Our agency takes these wildlife crimes very seriously, and we do and will devote whatever resources we have to bring these type of offenders to justice."

Brandon Mitchell Fallang, 19, Brandon Paul Hinebauch, 20, and John Paul Baeskens, 20, were charged in Justice Court with a felony count of unlawful possession of wildlife. Judge Larry Herman agreed to release the three without bail and ordered them to appear next week for arraignment in District Court.

The three men also were charged with numerous misdemeanor counts related to using a spotlight to kill big animals, waste of game and hunting without a license. Some of the charges stretch back to game violations alleged to have occurred in 2003.

Brandon Hinebauch's mother, Tammie Hinebauch, was among the remaining defendants charged Tuesday with misdemeanor game violations. The 40-year-old Huntley woman pleaded not guilty to two counts of transferring her big-game license to Baeskens, once in 2003 and a second time last year, according to court records. Herman scheduled her trial for Sept. 21.

Natasha Mack, 20, also of Huntley, pleaded not guilty to a single count of hunting without a license in 2005. Herman also scheduled her trial for Sept. 21.

The remaining defendants pleaded guilty and were sentenced on numerous misdemeanor game violations:

Garrison W. Bellew, 19, of Billings, pleaded guilty to six charges, including using a spotlight to hunt and abandoning a big-game animal killed in the field. He was fined $1,000 and ordered to forfeit his hunting and fishing privileges for five years.

Arley J. Swanson, 19, of Huntley, pleaded guilty to eight charges, including spotlighting, abandoning a killed animal and using a hunting license issued to his mother, Valerie Swanson. He was fined $1,000 and ordered to forfeit his hunting and fishing privileges for five years.

Valerie Swanson, 46, of Huntley, pleaded guilty to two counts of transferring her hunting license to her son. She was fined $200.

William T. Harden, of Worden, and Nathan R. Kuzo, of Huntley, both 16, pleaded guilty to a single count of spotlighting. Both were fined $500, and Harden lost his hunting and fishing privileges for two years; Kuzo lost the privileges for three years.

Today, more misdemeanor hunting charges are expected to be filed in Musselshell County Justice Court against Arley Swanson; his father, Charles Swanson; Nathan Hinebauch; William Harden; John Baesken; and Marshall Anquino Jr.

Scott said Nathan Kuzo and his sister, Kristen Kuzo, 17; his mother, Robin Kuzo, 39; and his father, Ray Kuzo, 43, all of Huntley, are scheduled to be charged Friday in Park County Justice Court with similar misdemeanor hunting violations.

According to Scott and court records, the poaching investigation began Dec. 12 when two state wildlife wardens found four dead buck deer in Yellowstone County. The deer appeared to have been shot from a public road and had their heads cut off and carcasses left behind.

Two days later, officials received a tip on the TIPMONT hot line. The caller said Hinebauch and Baeskens had killed a dozen deer in the past week, shooting the animals at night from the road.

The informant then met with a wildlife warden and led him to a Huntley residence on West D Road, court records say. The warden began surveillance there and saw two people enter a barn shortly after midnight with what appeared to be three deer skulls and antlers.

Armed with a search warrant, wardens returned to the property and seized nine buck deer heads, including a trophy white-tailed buck and a trophy antelope buck.

Scott said the investigation developed from there, with interviews leading to more suspects and evidence. He said investigators could find no evidence that any of the poached animals had been sold.


Maybe you dont see this as the right thing,but it is,and you know it.
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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2006, 01:19:39 AM »
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This is just one example of what you said about your wardens"will lose a lot of respect for someone who "tattle tales".",you said if you reported a game crime this would be the result from the wardens.Do you have short term memory loss?


I stated that they WOULD check it out (several times), but they would indeed lose respect for you.  Are you so thick headed that you can't understand that losing respect does not equal not following up on a report?  

I'll say again and in big letters so you can read it: THE WARDENS CHECK INTO ANY REPORT BUT IF IT'S NOT INVOLVing YOU DIRECTLY YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRANDED A JACKASS.

Now with that said, I'd bet money that if the discussion were to continue you'll be back to saying "if your wardens don't follow up on reports . . ." by the time we hit page 3, and then it takes 3 posts to recorrect already established discussion points :roll: .

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Maybe you dont see this as the right thing,but it is,and you know it.

I don't see it as the right thing, but somehow I "know it"?  That's a flat out contradiction.  You hold your views and I'll hold mine, but you're out of your narrow mind if you think you're going to tell me what I truly believe.

Not to mention unlike in that article I don't know of anyone who would kill a deer and just take the head as they do in the article.  Half of them don't even keep the horns from deer they shoot during the season.

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« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2006, 10:18:57 AM »
an illegal kill is still illegal regardless of thier intentions,its one less animal in the ecosystem that could have been taken by a law abiding hunter,and i gaurantee you our wardens wouldnt loose respect for the caller they would have a great deal of respect for them doing the right thing and making a simple phone call that can end the poaching career of a bunch of idiots.l not possative but you have told me three times that you are done with this conversation,yet you return to belittle my reading skills,comprehension,ect,ect,and thats fine with me but you cant belittle my ethical opinions because they are that you should turn in poachers,especially when you know they do it often and can provide the inf needed to stop them,you can talk all the BS you want about me but you know that you should make an effort to put a stop to these idiots ways and if that takes turning them in so be it.Are you so concerned about loosing the respect of some halfass worthless warden that you wont pick up a phone?you can make anonamous reports and you wont have to worry about bubba the warden not buying you a beer at the bar.
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« Reply #54 on: April 21, 2006, 09:29:50 AM »
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This group of poachers were shut down when a FAMILY member stood up,did the right thing and put and end to thier BS...


That is messed up, family is something you just don't mess with.  It makes me sad there are people like that in the world.....
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« Reply #55 on: April 21, 2006, 10:19:43 AM »
So what do you do if your uncle abuses his children?His wife?Turn your head and let it continue?Crime gos on cuz spineless people place the burden of reporting it on anyone but themselves,if a crime is being commited family lines do not remove the responsability you have to report it.I know people that are related to half the county in one way or another,i supose they dont ever have to be a responsabile,ethical person,"Shucks dats jus ma famly,I aint gonna be no skunk!" :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2006, 01:36:37 PM »
My out look has always been:

   If the guy needed to put food on the table then I didn't care.  I am not talking about shooting trophys or selling game parts or anything like that.  But if I knew a real poor family was taking a little game from time to time, even off my own farm.  I would look the other way and would probably leave a little money or beef on their back step at night.

 I wouldn't take game illegally myself.  But I got to tell you I grew up dirt poor!  I have seen some destitute families in my day, Heck there are some near me right now.  I won't  begrudge any man feeding his family. I just can't!  

I understand that a poacher is steeling from us all,  I really do.  But I also  figure one needs to use a little common sense when enforcing the law. Now that may sound funny comming from a retired  LEO but that's how I figure it.

What would you have done if you lived in New Orleans during the hurricane?  Would you have turned in all your nieghbors for having guns? I guess the city had enacted a law or passed an ordinance,  they were confiscating them? Of course you wouldn't have turned in your family or neighbors.  None of us would! Why because we wouldn't think that ordinance was right. Well game laws are a good thing and we need them, without them we would have no game. But we need to have a little common sense when it comes to someone trying eat.  Laws can be enforced as black and white/hard line or they can be enforced with a little common sense and under the spirit of which they were enacted in the first place.  :D    

Just my two cents worth! :D

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« Reply #57 on: April 21, 2006, 08:17:31 PM »
Are you sure you cant come up with a more obscure comparison?Very few of the people who poach these days are doing it to feed a family,most are poaching for trophys and may or may not take the meat.
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« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2006, 12:56:49 AM »
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Are you sure you cant come up with a more obscure comparison?Very few of the people who poach these days are doing it to feed a family,most are poaching for trophys and may or may not take the meat.


How do you know what the majority of poachers are trophy poachers?
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« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2006, 03:17:47 AM »
Hunting ethics are something passed down from generation to generation. It's like any other moral value that a man tries to instill in his son. If a person grows up seeing his parents have a disregard for the laws then they too will probably have that same disregard for the law. Then it becomes a cycle that's repeated for generations to come.  

I think to 'lead by example' is a great method of educating family members about the ethics of hunting. Turning in friends or family members is quite a bit different than turning in an anonymous stranger though.

Show them the right way in hope they will follow might be a better approach in a family situation. Obeying the laws and being accountable for ones own self is what should be expected of any person. Anything beyond that such as turning other people in to the law becomes a matter of personal choice and discretion.

Where do you draw the line when it comes to reporting a person for a crime. Do you become over zealous and report every little infraction or do you only report what you consider to be serious infractions? It's a judgement call basically....a personal decision on how a person deals with those that don't live by the laws of the land. People that follow the laws and hunt in an ethical manner should be valued. I believe what they choose to do beyond that in an effort to uphold the law is their own personal choice.