Author Topic: go buy a sako and get it over with (Read 1599 times)

mitchell · « **on:** December 22, 2005, 01:56:08 PM »

for all of the nay Sayers . if you want every gun to shoot one hole at 1000 right out of the box NEF isn't for you but if you want a gun that ,with a little love and care, will kill game as far as could ever want then dog-gone-it work on your handis and stop complaining . if you want theses gun to shoot like custom guns then you better be ready to do a little customizing.. ok?

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i have had a butt load of handi's including some of the "bad barrel's" as others have marked them and every one of my handis have shot as well as i've needed them to and most of the time better.

so , in my book , there is no more need for those post about "ok i'm done with them" we'll know by your classified adds no need telling us two times.

sorry for being rude but this stuff is getting old ,if you don't like handi's then stop coming to the handi part of the site . da!!!!!

bladerunner · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:21:47 PM »

Mitchell,when we tell ya we sold our handi's or that we prolly are gonna,we give REASONS ....take what is useful and leave the rest telling us to not post is pretty darn "rude" as you said.....
we posted when we got our handi's
we posted when we shot our handi's
we posted when we worked on our handi's
we posted when we sent our handi's back
we posted when we got our handi's back from the factory
we posted when we shot them again ....found out something was wrong with them...BUT when we decide to throw in the towel,you don't want us to POST!!!!

WHY!!!!
you want us to just melt into the background and not upset the apple cart?
Mitchell,just because we decide not to keep our handi's does not mean we HATE them or that we have anything against those who LOVE them.....heck,I like ya'll....I like to see how the handi-holics are doing and probly will for a long time....and as long as I'm ALLOWED to post,I will do so

AND I did buy a sako product :-D :-D

mitchell · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2005, 02:58:02 PM »

308 that thread doesn't really have a lot to do with what i'm talking about and i wasn't talking about you.

what i'm talking about is that there has been a lot of talk i the last few months about handi-haters and its getting old . some people have bad luck with remmys, some with savages ,some with winchesters, but truth is most people just don't want/know-how to work on them. same with handis . and all this saying good bye to the handi world stuff is STUPID!! check the Remington and savage forums you wont see too much of that and they have just as many haters. go buy a t/c and bug their fourm . its time to grow up and stop complaining.

i don't expect to have many friends on this one but its time for a wake-up call.

NONYA · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2005, 03:03:54 PM »

I dont own one but the two people I know who do have or are trying to get rid of them,maybe ill tell them to post them here.Seems to me they were real happy with them at first and now they cant wait to be rid of them,Im no expert but the obviously have problems,more than most cheap rifles.

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2005, 03:05:11 PM »

Mitchell.... If you have nothing constructive or amusing to say, whisper what you do have to say very quietly to yourself.... offline.

Ian

Ditchdigger · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2005, 03:06:29 PM »

Hey I've gripped about the handi's also,does this mean I have to leave also?If everyone leave's thats had a problem and fussed about it,it can get real lonely around here. Digger

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bladerunner · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2005, 03:08:03 PM »

mitchell,my posts are about MY experiences with a handi...they pertain to the topic and I'LL CONTINUE TO POST UNTIL SOMEONE RUNS ME OFF

I really hope you're not referring to me,but you excluded 308 and not me,so I assume you are

this forum is open to all that wish to post as long as it is about handi's and is respectful,if I'm wrong one of the moderators will point it out

this post was very immature in my opinion and this will be my last reply on this thread,if you'd like to discuss this further pm me

mitchell · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2005, 04:13:27 PM »

i thought i might of craped where i sleep but this has been bugging me for a while.

digger you've been around long enough to know that all of us have gripped about our handi's , but this nonstop B******G of how bad they are needs to stop . this forum used to be full of how to have fun with our $200 rifles and boy have we.

blade you seem to assume a lot .if my post was directed to you i would just pmed you i do recall saying that this has been going on for a while and your little misshap with a limen i think (i don't fallow that closly) was a resent thing .

my point is i think its time poeple grow up .

this forum has really took a back seat to what it was way back when. and i'm thinking its about to take a back seat ( the forum not board) to my regulars list. i give it 2 months of this crap before we turn in to a regular ar15 ,

flamethrowers at 6 o' clock hit em' low

JPH45 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2005, 07:33:12 PM »

mitchell, I've no complaint about the accuracy, they shoot as well, and is some cases better than many guns I hove owned and fired. I'm just tired of having to work on 'em to keep 'em shooting. I've had to replace the firing pins in two of three frames. I've been super conscious about not dry firing, but twice the hammer has gotton away form me as I was testing work I'd done....and broke firing pin. Yes, it happens on other guns too, but in 30 + years of shooting, these are the only ones I've had this touble with. Then there is the retaining pin failure of the transfer bar/lifter on my 38-55 frame (that was when the gun was new 3 years ago) then there was the weakened hammer spring, then the barrel being loose, then the 30-30 barrel being out of bore dimensional spec's, but NEF says a .307 bore is good on a .300 caliber. Where'd they get that? Can you buy a better barrel for the rifle's? No. Has NEF addressed the retaining pin failure? No. Has NEF resolved the barrel loosening? No. In fact, i read on another site they are now (handloads.com long guns forum, read the handi posts) including instructions for refitting the barrels in the owners sheet with new guns.....But we have to send a frame to them for barrel fitting? Who figured this out?

I'll always have a soft spot for these rifles, and for the friendships I've made here. those friendships kept me alive during some very difficult times. But does that mean I should act as if my being dissatisfied with the overall service these rifles have given is OK?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

It is a lot like a girlfriend that ain't treatin' ya right. At what point do you decide to spend your energy elsewhere? I'm tired of being in a love hatre relationship. Overall, the Handi's have not worked for me, and I'm tired of trying to make them work. Everything I do only leads to something else to be done. Prolly ain't gonna be able to hang around here much longer, I've run out of Handi enthusiasm.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2005, 08:38:06 PM »

Everyone has a right to voice their opinions guys...no-one is getting run off or told they can't have their say pro or con....why is it that some don't believe this..because no-one is being censored here unless they break the rules...There have been some folks doing a-lot of complaining lately for poor quality control and from time to time some of these fine folks feel that the entire centerfire NEF line is junk or not any good at all...and this certainly isn't the case for everyone...just them...like I said in my poll...I believe there is more to it than just a few lemons...and I have hopes that the poll will bear this out.

mitchell has a right to post how he feels here just as those who are angry over their problems with their rifles have the same right..That doesn't make him immature...he see's things from a different perspective...that's all...There are far too many great shooting Handi's as compared to the ones which have failed miserably to suggest all of the NEF's are faulty.I suggest we stop trying to put blame on each other...and use our collective intelligence to solve the problems were having...

For those who have choosen to give up out of sheer frustration...I understand your plight and I feel sorry it didn't work out....and I wish whichever way you go works better and makes you happy...I too have feelings simalar to mitchell's and wish all of the negativaty would stop...but you certainly can post about your frustrations..If those who choose to go another route wish to help solve the problem with the Handi's...it would be appreciated...then everyone will benefit from it..if you feel it's not worth the effort...then move on to bigger and better rifles...but don't judge all of them all to be bad.. not just for a few bad ones.....

I like these little rifles...and I have been told that I am the leader of the Handi cheerleading squad...well..I don't know about that..because I also have a soft spots for other rifles as well..I will however continue to support and use them..as I know everyone else who has good shooters will.... I do know that some of the problems that have been posted about with the Handi's is shooter induced...and not always the rifle...I have personally seen this...just as I have personally seen some NIB Handi's that would give some folks nightmares if they didn't know how to fix the problems... Does this give anyone the right to condemn the rifles as a whole?? Nope...I have also seen many many other rifles that weren't right come from all of the various manufactures..NO one rifle company is immune from lemons...We have all those sticky's up at the top to help those who want to work on their Handi's themselves and offer help to those who don't know how to do different things with them...Not everyone needs to do everthing in them to make these rifles shoot good...however...some may need to do everthing mentioned there...There are somethings that the company needs to address...just as Remington,Berretta,Browning,CZ,Weatherby,Ruger and all the rest do everyday of the week...and it will take all of us especially those who has gotten the lemons to make as many phone calls as it takes to get the message across to whoever is pulling the strings at Marlin to understand that we want them fixed before they leave the factory...I've learned a few things along the way in dealing with them...there is strenght in numbers...and if they get enough e-mails,phone calls, post cards, letters,sooner or later the right person/s will notice and make things right..

Some of us have gotten some outstanding rifles and others haven't and sold them off in pieces..and a lot of times the parts shoot fine for someone else....this too is one of the reasons for my poll..it may or may not have been shooter induced errors that caused the problems which resulted in it's sale to begin with...but...it could have been something simple to fix that the original owner didn't want to fix as well or was unaware of a simple remady...like it has been said before...some folks don't want to do anything except load and fire...others don't mind spending a few hours to save money...nobody is right...nobody is wrong...in the end..it's up to the owner as to what they are willing to do to make it shoot...

So..let's work together towards solving our problems...instead of bickering among ourselves...shall we..it accomplishes nothing and just makes for bad feelings between us...

Mac

tom barthel · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2005, 09:18:33 PM »

I purchased a used .308 barrel and a .223 from members here. I fitted the barrels and they shoot great. I did all the tricks and still get stuck cases. I still hesitate to take the rimmless barrels out hunting for fear they let me down when needed. It's a fun rifle. I do like mine. I only trust the rimmed cartridges for serious hunting. I doubt if I ever will buy another new nef product. My rifles are a joy to carry and shoot. I WILL gripe about them as long as the problems are ignored by the factory. As I have said before, NO bolt rifle EVER failed to function properly for me. I'm not about to get rid of mine. The problems are real and most members know it. I wish it wasn't so.

Mellow out and God bless.

Tom

lik2hunt · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2005, 01:32:10 AM »

Waayeeeell..................................................................I have a lot to say..........................................but.......................................................I think I'll just keep it to myself.
Handis are good for something though. :wink:

Broken-arrow · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2005, 01:45:54 AM »

Mitchell, Most guys buy their first Handi because they are the working man ,on a tight budget and they see an inexpensive little American-made single shot in a good deer caliber. They get it home and if it shoots, thats great. BUT, if it does'nt shoot they put a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo through it trying different loads and spend hour after hour tweaking on it and maybe have to send it back to the factory for refitting. And then maybe it will shoot, maybe not. If it does'nt, they get fed up and sell the thing, at a loss. Remember, it was bought on a tight budget, with a working mans dollar. I believe that man has a right to complain. Don't you ? :money:

lik2hunt · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2005, 02:38:13 AM »

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Mitchell, Most guys buy their first Handi because they are the working man ,on a tight budget and they see an inexpensive little American-made single shot in a good deer caliber. They get it home and if it shoots, thats great. BUT, if it does'nt shoot they put a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo through it trying different loads and spend hour after hour tweaking on it and maybe have to send it back to the factory for refitting. And then maybe it will shoot, maybe not. If it does'nt, they get fed up and sell the thing, at a loss. Remember, it was bought on a tight budget, with a working mans dollar. I believe that man has a right to complain. Don't you ?

Aaaaaahhh.....the infamous Broken-arrow..........Mac?

Broken-arrow · « **Reply #14 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:01:07 AM »

Thats right, it's me again. And I'll bet even Mac will agree with what I said.It does'nt just apply to Handis though. All makers have their problems with Quality control. And the consumer has the right to complain if they feel like their hard-earned money was wasted. Maybe they are trying to keep others from making the same mistake that they did. Also, a talk forum is open to all opinions, like it or not. As long as no rules are broken.

Norseman112 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:03:01 AM »

Well I have two handi rifles and I love them. I really do.. Now I will not sugar coat anything either. I did have to send one back to the factory when it was new. I will not lie or mislead anyone of good and bad experiences with my rifles weather they are Remington, Savage, Winchester ect and even Handi Rifles. Remington has had quality problems and die hard Remington fans did not want to hear about it!! I am sure most of you know what I am talking about. In the real world sometimes companies do run into periods of time when they have problems with parts, quality, design ect. Some fix them, some don't and some companies go broke for the failure to do so. I think if people here are running into problems they should not be told they don't know what they are doing or don't want to know how to fix them and need to grow up. Mitchell that statement is just going to tick people off and its not going to solve anything. We have to respect everyones opinion even if we don't agree with it.

John

Norseman112 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:05:18 AM »

Well I have two handi rifles and I love them. I really do.. Now I will not sugar coat anything either. I did have to send one back to the factory when it was new. I will not lie or mislead anyone of good and bad experiences with my rifles weather they are Remington, Savage, Winchester ect and even Handi Rifles. Remington has had quality problems and die hard Remington fans did not want to hear about it!! I am sure most of you know what I am talking about. In the real world sometimes companies do run into periods of time when they have problems with parts, quality, design ect. Some fix them, some don't and some companies go broke for the failure to do so. I think if people here are running into problems they should not be told they don't know what they are doing or don't want to know how to fix them and need to grow up. Mitchell that statement is just going to tick people off and its not going to solve anything. We have to respect everyones opinion even if we don't agree with it.

John

MSP Ret · « **Reply #17 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:06:30 AM »

Mitchell, GOOD FOR YOU!!! I have wanted these sour grapes whiners to lighten up a bit myself, however firstly I felt they had a right to complain, (wait a minute, if they have a right to complain don't you have a right to complain about them also??? They sound like liberals to me, with the left wing liberal mentality of let me do it but you can't...anyway I don't want to offend the complainers because, they have a right to complain and whine on and on if they want to). Secondly I believe some of them really like these fine little guns but have simply become frustrated. Some on the other hand, may just like to whine and complain more than work on and with these fine little guns for the joy, enjoyment, and sense of accomplishment it gives us. For them your titled piece "Just get a SAKO and get over it" was a perfect and pointed statement. Those are the ones that most likely prefer to buy accuracy (if they can). Thirdly, since I am older than you and have that sense of entitlement that can come only with too many years of existence and expieriece (unless you are a liberal, they believe in entitlement for the masses) I don't believe they are worth the argument. So to them I just say, "that's to bad buddy, sorry to see you leave, the door is open for you if you decide to come back (you big LOSER!!!

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Mitchell I commend you far having the strength and youth to say what we older, more "seasoned" members have learned is probably not worth saying. If they want to leave they are going to leave. they could however have done it in a more dignified manner without trying to dump all over the guns that brought us all together in the first place and in a thinly veiled manner dump over each and every member who remains here. Blame the gun, an inanimate object, for all your problems, failures and disappointments. Sounds like an argument the "Anti's" make, i.e. - if we did not have any of these dreadful guns the world would be a better place...it's worrisome that even guns owners can succumb to that twisted logic. We are all human beings, created in HIS image, the only one that was without sin. And in honor of his upcoming birthday I suggest we offer the hand of friendship to these poor unhappy brothers and learn to feel sorry for them and their penchant to whine and complain, on and on and on and on, I know I do.....

OK, I now that I feel feel sorry for them and their incessant whining and complaining, will they now just please stop. I heard this old saying many years ago when I was young, "If you don't have anything good to say about someone/something, just don't say anything".

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!! and especially you Mitchell, you with the strength of youth, you who spoke up even though "they" feel they can complain but you can't say anything about it....Well done young brother...Carry on!!....<><.... :grin:

raynor · « **Reply #18 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:07:34 AM »

I'm not taking anyone's side and don't post much, but I am here couple time a day reading through the threads.

If you don't like a topic, don't read it. Pretty simple, just don't click on it.

That said, hope you all have a Merry Christmas. :grin:

Broken-arrow · « **Reply #19 on:** December 23, 2005, 03:47:04 AM »

MSP, If some-one agrees with you they're a hero. If they disagree they're a liberal, a whiner, and a loser. Uhhh, OK. BTW, I didn't buy a Sako, I bought the boy an old Rem. 788 .308 and after a good cleaning, a little trigger-work and the right handload ( Yes I like to work on my guns ) this little Remmy will flat SHOOT. Any-how, lets just respect each others opinions and a Merry Christmas to all ! :toast:

mitchell · « **Reply #20 on:** December 23, 2005, 04:05:09 AM »

you have the rights to say whatever your heart tells you, the blood of our founding fathers gives you that. but in my opinion its not about rights its about your own personal pride in being a man. yeah yeah i know whatÂ’s a 19 year old kid know about being a man , well i know this a man (although he has the right) doesn't whine and complain when something doesn't go his way (ie: my $200 rifle wont shoot as good as my $1000 benchrest rifle) sometimes the ball bounces your way and sometimes it don't . asking for help is an other thing in its self , there is nothing wrong with , or unmanly about asking for help, and in my opinion that is the only way a man should complain. cowboy up guys !!!! if your handi didn't work , like i said, go buy a sako .

poncaguy · « **Reply #21 on:** December 23, 2005, 04:55:09 AM »

All I can say, is, for the money, my Fluted Varmit Handi's, 223 and 204, and my bull barrel 22-250 with the Choate setup, cannot be beat. Period!

Mac11700 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 23, 2005, 05:50:20 AM »

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Very Happy Thats right, it's me again. And I'll bet even Mac will agree with what I said.It does'nt just apply to Handis though. All makers have their problems with Quality control. And the consumer has the right to complain if they feel like their hard-earned money was wasted. Maybe they are trying to keep others from making the same mistake that they did.Also, a talk forum is open to all opinions, like it or not. As long as no rules are broken.

You absolutly correct...on the parts that are in italics...but dead wrong on what is underlined...not all Handi's are put together wrong...only a few out of many many many thousand exhibit these triats.....and running down a companies whole line because of this..really won't go unchallenged here...I know there is problems with some of them...like what has been said...all rifle companies have issues...and what makes or breaks that company is their C/S department...

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Mitchell, Most guys buy their first Handi because they are the working man ,on a tight budget and they see an inexpensive little American-made single shot in a good deer caliber. They get it home and if it shoots, thats great. BUT, if it does'nt shoot they put a couple hundred dollars worth of ammo through it trying different loads and spend hour after hour tweaking on it and maybe have to send it back to the factory for refitting. And then maybe it will shoot, maybe not. If it does'nt, they get fed up and sell the thing, at a loss. Remember, it was bought on a tight budget, with a working mans dollar. I believe that man has a right to complain. Don't you ? :money:

BA...while your anology of this being a working mans rifle is a good one...not always is it this way.Many guys here have a nice collection of various rifles to choose from...or some like me have given up their bolt guns and returned to using a single shot....for numerous reasons...so..what choices do we have available for a single shot...let alone a switch barrel single shot...only 1 worth mentioning...and it cost between $600-$800 and that's a Encore...as for regular single shots...we have a $800 Ruger a $1000 Winchester Highwall...a $9,000 Dakato...a Rossi or a close out Mosseberge..I can have any of them I want but.I choose the NEF...it's still the best thing going...for me and many others...they are some of the most accurate switch barrels hunting rifles we have ever had...and have gotten them for a fraction of a good bolt gun or Encore or Ruger #1...I know if I have a problem with it...their service department will bend over backwards to make it right...and those in charge of that department hate when it isn't made right..The fact that a few folks have had bad luck with the Handi they got...is no reason to condemn everyone built....and again..because of all the condemnation of these fine little rifles of late is the reason for my poll...We can take your 308 barrel as part of it too... even you understood that it may shoot better on someone elses receiver...did you not...and that in it's self is not proof of my suspicions..but it adds credience to my hunches with them....since it does shoot very well on michells reciever....BTW...those little 788's are nice...but even they had some major problems with them towards the end of their production run...I know...I had one in 7-08 and it was a nightmare in it's own right...and after 2 trips back to Remington...I sold it...and even with all of what I went thru dealing with the lousy C/S department (at that time they were terrible...unlike today..) I never bad mouth them for it....and it sure as heck didn't stop me from buying other Remingtons...cause I new the problem was with that model...not with all of them...would I buy another 788 in 7-08...probably not...but since that time I have shot others that worked great...and I know they can be fine rifles...and basiclly...this is the debate ...being able to understand this...

Mac

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 23, 2005, 06:52:33 AM »

Being kinda new to the H&R/NEF line , I have had mixed results with them , My 223 shoots like a dream as does my 270 .

My 450 Marlin barrel shoots like a shotgun no matter what i do .

My daughter's 22 mag. as well as her shotgun barrels all shoot very well .

Any company that mass produces that many guns with the lack of enough QC personal will have problems .

I just love these little guns , So i truly hope that can get a handle on these things .

And yes i will buy more of them .

myarmor · « **Reply #24 on:** December 23, 2005, 06:56:04 AM »

I believe a lot of new comers that are looking into purchasing a new rifle, come to this site 1st for some simple info on how they shoot.
Then after they get to reading and looking up threads, they see how accurate they can be, and this gets them excited.
It works up their hopes and they go throw the money down, expecting a tack driving, laser of a rifle. They shoot it...and... :eek: .wait, whats this?

It doesn't shoot like theirs :evil: :x ... :? ... :grin:

Chill!
Like was mentioned, some of them take a little work and time to get them to shoot. Others, could just very well be the way or style they shoot, just doesn't agree with a little hammer fall rifle, like Mac said.
Also too, the seriousness and compasion some loyal Handiest have here, can rub off on new comers. Then the new comers will take up the mentality like them. "That this gun is to me what it is too them".
Handis are not target rifles-Does that mean you can't target shoot with them? Not at all.
Many start off wanting a Handi to shoot cheap ammo in.
Some just need an inexpensive hunting rifle or an inexpensive way to teach there kids about firearm safety and handling.
Others, just want to try out a new caliber.

If you are a bolt action man, then that's ok. No one here will deny that the most accurate target rifles in the world are bolt action.
Lever action lover? Thats fine too.
But all actions are different, though they have the same purpose.
Have fun with them, and try not to take somethings too serious, as it will quickly lead to frusteration. Sit back and regroup if things are not working out for you. Read up and see what you can do to fix it. Asking questions is good, and it's the only way to learn sometimes. If all else fails and it's a QC problem, then send it back.
Or sell it to one of us

-Aaron

safetysheriff · « **Reply #25 on:** December 23, 2005, 08:40:01 AM »

mitchell,

want to read about a group that will pull together and in one direction when the chips are down? want to have a part in them?

you are 19, and i guess in good health. read the book "Hill 488" by Ray Hildreth and Charles W. Sasser. you can get it from the 'military book club'. or do a search for Ray Hildreth and his school in Tulsa , Oklahoma will send you the book with no ado.

then, be a good young man about it, and join the Marines. you, and everyone around you, will enjoy a couple of months worth of solid discipline and rigor such that you won't be too bothered by anything like this any longer; and Handi' rifles will be gone from your focus along with the 'whiners' herein.

i mean it. read the book and then go enlist in the United States Marine Corps so you'll have one hell of a stronger background to carry you through the rest of life -- if you are, and if you'll stay, a Christian. (nothing substitutes for being a Christian ---- absolutely nothing)

best to you,

SS'

Mac11700 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 23, 2005, 09:53:41 AM »

SS:

I think he's way ahead of you Bro...and for what it's worth...he isn't immature on his feelings are passion for good shooting rifles...

Mac

mitchell · « **Reply #27 on:** December 23, 2005, 09:59:44 AM »

ss what the heck does that have to do with this topic?

BTW i wouldn't join th core if a 100 years . 100% army here and i'm already in , i leave for basic in one month.

i believe that my last 800 and some post speak for my caricature, so what is your post getting at

? if you really want to question my how good of a young man i am or how good of a Christian i am why don't you just give me a call.

and did you notice that in the same sentence that you talked about Christianity you say the word "hell" which most recognize as profanity.

mitchell · « **Reply #28 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:01:36 AM »

BTW 740 663 4317 call me

Broken-arrow · « **Reply #29 on:** December 23, 2005, 10:46:11 AM »

Mitchell, If your post was aimed at Bladerunner you need to go back and read his post again. He simply said these guns were'nt for him and he was giving them up. He did not get rude, he did not whine, and he did not say all Handis were junk. He was very polite about what he said and tried not to offend anyone. That said, I think the Army will do you a lot of good. Maybe you will grow up and learn a little respect for others.