Author Topic: Glock 21 (Read 4818 times)

dougk · « **on:** December 28, 2005, 05:27:40 PM »

I am rethinking this ranch pistol (currently a .357 mag and .44 mag) to more of a utility gun. I have always preferred the .45 acp and am looking at the Glock 21 as the all around ranch and home defense gun. The environment is harsh here in the Texas Hill Country. Normally dust is a problem but especially so with the current drought. So I need a highly reliable gun. I have seen the Glock 21 torture tests and this gun just keeps working, which is exactly what I need.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Doug

Damir Besic · « **Reply #1 on:** January 07, 2006, 04:36:05 PM »

I love my G21C but for what you need it,I would be more comfortable with a good old .44M revolver.Just my due dinneros

Db

NYH1 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 07, 2006, 05:08:22 PM »

Personally I'm a huge Glock fan. I really don't think you'll be giving up much....if anything at all as far as reliability go's switching from a revolver to a Glock. A good friend of mine had two Colts, one was a Python in 357 mag. and the other was a 41 mag. it might of been a Anaconda, I'm not 100% sure. Both had major cylinder timing problems, one was so bad it would just about lock the gun up and it couldn't be fired at all. My father bought a brand new S&W model 60 3" 5 shot revolve this past spring. Every once in a while it doesn't like to eject spent "357 mag." cases. I have two Glocks. I've shot 5000 rounds or so through my G22 and about 1000 rounds through my G27 and haven't had any trouble at all with either pistol. I also have two revolvers and have never have a single problem with either of then and I wouldn't hesitate to use then to protect myself or my family, but my first choice would be one of my Glock's! Go with the one that feels the best to you, and you can shoot better, just my opinion!!! :grin:

Damir Besic · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2006, 06:42:35 PM »

well,one thing is using a handgun at home or as a CCW around town and another outside at the ranch with dust,sand,rain etc..all over.I would think that any auto pistol would be more sensitive to that than a revolver.Revolvers are prety much very simple mechanicaly and they don`t need much to work properly.I don`t know,I`ve never worked on the ranch myself.I have my G21C at my bed side 24/7 but it is also always 100% clean and lubricated,no dirt or dust nowhere close to it.But If I was to go ride a horse and work in dusty enviroment I would have take my .357M 715 Dan Wesson or 629 .44M Smith with me.Nothing wrong with the Glock,I love mine,just think that different situations sometimes ask for a different guns.

Db

dougk · « **Reply #4 on:** January 09, 2006, 06:02:04 PM »

For ranch carry I went with the Dan Wesson .357 mag. or Ruger .44 mag. However the dust is really really bad and I was thinking a Glock might be better after I saw a Glock 21 torture test. The Glock was buried in dust, mud, dirt, salt, salt water, and a wet mixture of all the above. The impressive point was that the gun always fired. So I was thinking that this gun might hold up better than the Dan Wesson .357 or the Ruger Redhawk .44

Doug

Damir Besic · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2006, 02:53:57 PM »

Doug,
just do a test yourself,don`t trust anyone with your life.Take the Glock and do the test,dust,mud,whatever.I myself would be interested to see how it goes if you wouldn`t mind to post the results here.

Db

dougk · « **Reply #6 on:** January 10, 2006, 03:18:06 PM »

Quote from: Damir Besic

just do a test yourself

DB, I saw pictures and videos of the test. The gun was ruined after all the testing. I might be looking for an excuse to obtain a high capacity .45 ACP and a way to rationalize a purchase. I have never owned a Glock but have owned Sig Sauer very nice guns but I never took it out of the house.

Maybe I should just stick with the Dan Wesson .357... The six inch barrel makes it a great carry gun. But if I carry it it might get messed up, it is in mint condition. So I am looking to drop $400 on a used Glock. Wait :eek: :eek: I am looking to to spend $400 on a used Glock but I have a nearly new Dan Wesson (actually 2) that is worth $250-$300. :oops:

OK I'm not getting a Glock but will use the .357.

And with all the money I'm saving I will need to buy that .... gun.

Savage · « **Reply #7 on:** January 10, 2006, 03:22:04 PM »

dougk,
The 21 would be a better choice than a revolver in dusty/dirty conditions. The Glock is easy to clean and maintain than a revolver. Grit and dust will find it's way into the internals of a revolver and will do a lot of damage if it is not cleaned regularly. Not many folks detail strip and clean a revolver frequently. The Glock on the other hand can be detail stripped, cleaned, and reassembled in 10 minutes or so. Just keep the lube to a minum and she'll run like a top. If you need a little more power, you might look at the Glock 20.
Good luck,
Savage

NYH1 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 10, 2006, 05:58:39 PM »

I agree with Savage 100%!!!

Damir Besic · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2006, 02:43:11 PM »

:-D
Ok Doug,I see now,there is a reason needed to buy a Glock.Yes,it will definatly work better than anything in dust,mud,space etc... so go and get yourself a nice Glock.New one too.21 is a great gun I have G21C and love it,I would go across the desert with it

Db

uz2busmc · « **Reply #10 on:** January 12, 2006, 08:38:45 AM »

Doug,

If you are talking about the torture test that included being dropped out of the plane and drug behind the truck and whatnot, that gun was only cosmetically ruined, that guy still uses it for ipsc or idpa matches.

Glock is a good choice, I have a glock 20 and recomend it too.

Savage · « **Reply #11 on:** January 12, 2006, 12:57:57 PM »

Don't know about you guys, but I don't throw my guns out of airplanes or bury them in the mud. Those who want to, more power to them!! Just ain't happening here!
Savage

dougk · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2006, 05:55:05 PM »

This is difficult. I had just talked my self out of a hand gun purchase. Geez. Maybe I will go to my local gun shop and look at trading a Dan Wesson .357 for a Glock 20 or 21...

Damir Besic · « **Reply #13 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:00:57 PM »

Doug,
Dan Wesson revolvers have low resale value,they wont give you nothing for it.You would be better of to keep it and buy a Glock for cash.Or try to sell it on gunbroker (that`s where I bought mine)

Db

oso45-70 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2006, 02:55:52 AM »

Quote from: dougk

For ranch carry I went with the Dan Wesson .357 mag. or Ruger .44 mag. However the dust is really really bad and I was thinking a Glock might be better after I saw a Glock 21 torture test. The Glock was buried in dust, mud, dirt, salt, salt water, and a wet mixture of all the above. The impressive point was that the gun always fired. So I was thinking that this gun might hold up better than the Dan Wesson .357 or the Ruger Redhawk .44

Doug

DougK. I think Savage has the rite idea. I have Became a true lover of the glock and at one time i said i would never have one of those Ugly Things in my hands. But have changed my mind complety. I say Go for it

...........Joe.............

Cottonwood · « **Reply #15 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:20:16 PM »

If there is one firearm to own in a dirty dusty enviroment it is a Glock, that is why they are on duty in Iraq and Afganistan. I spent many a year in law enforcement in duty dirty enviroments. I wouldn't want to carry anything else to rely on.

Nice thing about Glocks for those who feel they need to clean them at the slightest chance of dirt.... They are like a Timex watch, they will take a beating and keep on keeping on.

Glock Torture Test on DVD

The Glock 100,000 Round Torture Test

I'm not carrying my Glock for a target match, but for defensive combat should I need it.

Cottonwood · « **Reply #16 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:23:22 PM »

Double Tap

Cottonwood · « **Reply #17 on:** January 15, 2006, 12:26:27 PM »

Double Tap

oso45-70 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2006, 09:43:51 AM »

Montanan,

Looks like you are having trouble with posting also. Not too sure whats going on but it sure is a pain in the rear. Glocks are like a timex, You can depend on them to work when you need them.

Stay safe.........Joe........

dougk · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2006, 11:13:10 AM »

Im looking at the Glock 20. After researching the 10mm I like that round for home and ranch work.

Old Griz · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2006, 08:42:22 PM »

:cb2: Doug, I'm an avid wheelgunner. I love my revolvers, all my DA Smiths and my Ruger SA fun guns, but I've carried a Glock 21 since 1993, and it's my #1 go to gun for self defense, for all the reasons the other guys have listed above. I first settled on the Glock because it had 50% fewer parts than other automatics at the time. (Now everbody in the world has copied it.) That means there is less to go wrong. And you know all about the torture tests.

My wife's .357 had the cylinder freeze up on her a couple of times, but that was after several (5-6) boxes of reloads that were quite dirty. However, that was in a pretty clean environment with no dust or sand at all added to the mix. Now that means removing the cylinder in order to clean it and the yoke assembly. On some revolvers that can be a pain in the nether regions. Glocks . . . well, the problem just doesn't exist, and like others here have said, they just keep on shootin' when other guns won't.

I will still carry my wheelguns for hunting and fun stuff, but when going into dangerous areas, my Glock 21 is my pal. (My S&W 57 is secondbut not a close second!)I think the Glock 20 is a terrific choice for what you want. The 10mm is pretty darn hard to beat, and the recoil is pretty tame. (My wife shot one and loved it.)

Go for it! You'll be extremely happy you did.

Besides, if Savage and Joe (sos45-70) say it's so, you can bet it's a sure thing!

oso45-70 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 20, 2006, 07:58:38 AM »

Griz you know sos is a call for help, Now OSO is Bear in Spanish. Like you are Old oso de griz in spanish, Every thing is true Have a good day my friend and hang on to your Glocks ......Joe.......lol

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #22 on:** February 20, 2006, 12:31:47 PM »

After just bringing a G21 into our house I'd have to say that I'm more than just a little pleased with it. As a former deputy I first qualified master pistol with a 5" M27 S&W in 1976 so I've been around the block a time or two. My 17 year old son wanted a .45 auto and after months of reading he settled on a G21. After putting the first 100 rounds through it this last Sunday I think we have chosen wisely.
I didn't think the recoil was anything like the numerous 1911's I've had over the years while shooting the Wolf 230 gr FMJ ammo. On the first 100 rounds there wasn't a single malfunction of any kind.
I shot two 10 shot groups, both were 2 1/2" to 3". My son who was shooting a . 45 for the first time put the rest of the 100 rounds into the black till the black was gone from the target, then proceeded to wear out the corners that remained.
This was my first experience with a Glock of any kind but I know it won't be my last.
If you need something with more bullet speed for longer ranges I might go with a 10 MM instead. that would be like having a semi auto .41 mag.

Rusty <><

Old Griz · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2006, 04:25:51 PM »

:cb2: Sorry JoeI shoot better than I type!

Bill T · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2006, 01:11:49 AM »

Quote from: Rustyinfla

After just bringing a G21 into our house I'd have to say that I'm more than just a little pleased with it.

I'll ditto that statement. This is the Glock Model 21 my wife chose just a few weeks ago. It's got the Trijicon Night Sights. She is really pleased with it as am I. She just picked up 8 new magazines for it from Natchez www.natchezss.com They have them on sale for $16.88 if you buy 2 or more. She has zero problems handling this gun. A lot of people say that the grip is too wide on the 21, but neither of us found that to be the case. In my opinion Glocks are the polymer pistol that all others are judged by. It only makes sense to choose it in whichever caliber you like. Bill T.

Old Griz · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2006, 05:47:18 PM »

:cb2: Bill T: I got this from a local police department that uses the G21. I was told that, even though the grip seems wide, to put on the Hogue slip-on grips. I thought he was crazy. This would just make a wide grip huge! Darned if he didn't know what he was talking about! It actually worked! I was gabberflasted. The added palm swells actually make the G21 fit your hand better. My wife and I both love 'em. Mine is an older model that doesn't have the finger grooves, and the slip-on grips we used has the grooves. Hogue makes one that doesn't have grooves and I think it will fit over yours.

Just an idea.

iiibbb · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2006, 08:04:19 AM »

I think a Glock can be relied upon... it is very tolerant of poor treatment in my experience. Consider Double-tap ammunition. They specialize in 10mm.

thekiltedgreatrob · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2007, 08:20:47 AM »

I have a G21C and carry it daily and would not trade it for anything it offers knock down power at close range. I carried a G21 for 5 years shot 120,000 rounds without any issues. The one thing you might consider is a .400 CorBon barrel the .400 offers better knock down and longer range it is a .45 ACP case necked down to .40 ammo is not in the plinking price range but that is what the .45 bbl is for

Just my .02

Robert

Bill T · « **Reply #28 on:** December 12, 2007, 12:29:34 AM »

http://www.natchezss.com/category.cfm?contentID=categoryMain&brand=GL&category=18&mfggroup=0&subCategory=18&catLevel=1&searchItem=&startRow=26

For those who are intrested, Natchez is having a really good sale on factory Glock magazines. $13.99 each if you buy 10 or more. I ordered 10 a few weeks back, and even with shipping they came to under $15.50 each. Bill T.

Savage · « **Reply #29 on:** December 13, 2007, 02:58:32 AM »

Also a little off topic but,---------now would be a good time to buy up all the standard cap magazines that you can afford. In a couple of years they may be unavailable AGAIN. I'm sure most of you guys remember the prices they sold for back then. Might be a GOOD investment!
Savage