Author Topic: What's up with Remington? (Read 2342 times)

30-30man · « **on:** January 02, 2006, 03:48:53 PM »

I bought a Rem 597 for my son at Christmas. We have shot 4 different types of ammo from CCI, Federal, Winchester, and Remington. The gun jams with all ammo. I can't get off more than three shots. I stripped the gun twice and cleaned it but it still jams. Shells don't eject. I own several Remingtons and have never been happy with the quality. All of my Remingtons had to be sent back to work properly and the 597 is no exception. The Rem felt so good compared to the Ruger 10/22. I hate to say it but I'm a four time sucker. No more Remingtons for me. Thanks for letting me vent.

Huntingnut56 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2006, 01:52:45 AM »

My nephew bought the 597 in 22lr and has the same problem as you do. The gun does not cycle the spent case out fast enought. I own the 597 in 22 mag and it is a keeper. Have tryed different types of ammo and all work flawlessly. Accuracy is great. I have a Simmons pro 50 mounted on it and have used it for rabbit all the way up to coyote. Longest shot was on a coyote at 160 yards, one shot kill. Don't give up on Remington, they make some good guns IMHO.

jh45gun · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2006, 07:08:02 AM »

The 597 has always had a bad rep for jamming I did not know they even still make them? Or was this a used one? Remington still makes some good guns the 870 and 1100 series of shotguns are excellent and are classics as are their bolt action cernterfires.

30-30man · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2006, 11:44:31 AM »

The gun was new and jammed straight out of the box. It's the new Remington 22lr that replaced the Viper. I own an 870(it's good), 742, 1187, and a 597. All of these guns jam and have ejection problems except the 870. I keep my guns clean. The only Remington I have been happy with is the 870. The guy at my local gun shop is going to quit carrying the 597 because of the problems. He says they are junk and Walmart is the only reason they still make them because many of the reputable gun shops refuse to carry them. I know there have been people who have had success with Remington products but I seem to have very bad luck with them. I should have bought the Marlin 60, it's a much better gun. As soon as I get this thing fixed, I'm going to trade it on a Marlin and take the loss. Sorry Fellas, Venting again :oops:

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** January 03, 2006, 11:52:05 AM »

Actually Remington has never been known to make really good semiauto rimfires. I consider the Nylon 66 to be the best they ever turned out and I really do like it. They should bring it back, I think today it would go over even better than it did back then. The 550/552 Speedmaster guns have always been a major disappointment to me. They look nice but feeding was always a problem with those I've worked with. In fact one day I was out hunting with one and it just kept on jamming and messing up and I just tossed it into the woods as far as I could throw it and continued the hunt with my handgun.

Unless and until Remington learns to make a good semiauto I'd avoid their offerings and go with another brand if you want a semiauto. Or find you a used Nylon 66.

jh45gun · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2006, 08:52:18 PM »

Sorry it was the viper I was thinking about as still not being made, but I have heard good and bad about the 597. Maybe it needs to wear its self in?

jh45gun · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2006, 08:55:07 PM »

If I was going to buy a semi auto 22 that Taurus copy of a Win 63 sure appeals to me. But I probably would buy a Henry lever to match my 22 mag Henry.

Nightrain52 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2006, 01:34:49 AM »

You might try shooting some Stingers in it. Sometimes the extra oomph of the Stingers will cycle a balky semi-auto. If it will cycle them shoot several boxes in it then try some Hi-Velocity 22lr ammo. :wink:

NONYA · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2006, 03:04:44 AM »

I bought one from WM and returned it after a couple days of the same BS,they didnt even ask why,they knew.

mt3030 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2006, 05:18:41 AM »

I love 22 rimfires of all types, but have never found a Nylon 66 that would feed AND eject. All companies can make a mistake. Sounds like Remington has made a couple in rimfire autos.

Wally

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2006, 05:23:36 AM »

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I love 22 rimfires of all types, but have never found a Nylon 66 that would feed AND eject.

Now that is very unusual Wally. I've owned a bunch of them and have friends who have owned several. None of them ever gave a minute's trouble in that regard. They were about the most dependable semiauto I've run across. I still have one and sure have no plans to get rid of it.

30-30man · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2006, 05:41:40 AM »

It just frustrates me that Remington would put out a rifle that jams like this one straight out of the box. I wish we could all live in a world where a company's name meant something to the company. Remington will continue to lose customers until they get their quality control together.

mt3030 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 05, 2006, 02:28:19 PM »

Bill:
Guess I owe an apology to the Model 66s. The two Remingtons I had were Model 77s, clip fed semi-autos. One would not feed from any clip I tried, and the other would feed/fire, but not eject. Hadn't realized my mistake until I noticed that the Model 66 is tube magazine fed thru the stock. Maybe I'll watch for a real 77 and try again. Thanks.

Wally

Graybeard · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:03:08 PM »

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Guess I owe an apology to the Model 66s. The two Remingtons I had were Model 77s, clip fed semi-autos. One would not feed from any clip I tried, and the other would feed/fire, but not eject. Hadn't realized my mistake until I noticed that the Model 66 is tube magazine fed thru the stock. Maybe I'll watch for a real 77 and try again. Thanks.

Clip fed guns most often fail to feed correctly for a malfunction of the clip. Some times they can be fixed, other times they must be replaced. The real Nylon 66 as you say fed thru a buttstock tube. They were as reliable as any semiauto I've ever seen, at least the ones I have experience with.

Sure can't say the same for most other Remington rimfire semiautos.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2006, 12:29:26 PM »

Some years ago i bought a new 597M and mounted a 7.5X Leupold scope on it. It gets used for pest control when the distance is beyond what i want to use a 22lr on. I've shot about 20 wood chucks and all kinds of other pest with it. To this day it has never failed to fire or function perfectly, not even once! It doesn't get shot a lot, but it's always ready and always works without jamming.

I hear there's 3 generations of 597 clips, and the last ones have fixed any problems 597's have with jamming.

About 30 years ago i bought a new Rem. 552 semi auto 22lr, i've never shot anything by long rifles in it. To this day it's "never" even been cleaned and sits out in the barn by the door. It also has "never failed" to work perfectly. The gloss finish is all cracked and looks like hell, but it always works when you pick it up! I bought this gun to use for a "beater" and that's exactly how it gets used!

I've had very good service from Rem., i've used there firearms for many many years.

Drilling Man

30-30man · « **Reply #15 on:** January 07, 2006, 09:58:38 AM »

This gun has a hole in the bottom of the bolt where they put the ejector in. It is an obvious machining goof but I can't tell if it's the problem becasue the 597 uses bolt rails. I didn't notice it at the time of sale. The gun was bought right before Christmas so it has to be the new edition. It has a metal looking clip with an orange top to the spring. The gun is accurate but I expected better from Remington . I know Remington makes zillions of guns but I seem to get the lemons. Is there anything more frustrating than buying a gun that won't shoot and having to send it back to the factory? Maybe standing in line at Walmart or much worse putting my neice's swing set together. 123,312,323,333,566,456 screws and still some left over.

ThudThumper · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2006, 07:00:08 PM »

i've cycled thousands of rounds through my 552 speedmaster, and it's jammed MAYBE a couple of times tops...probably because i went too long between cleanings. i would've never known that remington automatics were prone to jamming.

Emmett Dunham · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2006, 06:02:42 PM »

I have an older 597 and have had no problem with it. I was on another fourm and there were posts just as the ones here on the 597. The fix that was given is to losen the screws on the slide rails and retighten them with out over torqueing them?

The Remington has a life time warranty as far as I know and if you send the rifle back and they fix it, you cannot beat that.

Emmett

jh45gun · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2006, 06:33:30 PM »

I would not trust Remingtons Life time Warranty they made lots of the Centerfire semi auto 742's and they had a bad reciever in a lot of them so they went with the so called improved 7400 model but the bottom line is they refuse to repair any of the older guns say they have no more parts and thats it. I traded off my 742 while it still worked and had some value. I still like some of Remington guns 870 for one but that fiasco with the 742's left a bad taste for sure. I also have had the local gun shop confirm this about Remington not fixing these guns and have seen a letter to the gunshop telling them as much. Not very good customer service thats for sure. Nothing like Henry!

THeir customer service is excellent along with their products. Too bad all gun companies cannot be like that.

30-30man · « **Reply #19 on:** January 10, 2006, 01:02:56 PM »

I feel your pain. I have a 742 Woodsmaster BDL it is just like the 597. It jammed right out of the box. Remington only has a two year warranty. That is kind of slim for sure. Remington is doing the same thing Maytag, Frigidaire, and GE are doing in the appliance business. They are making junk and depending on their past reputation for quality to turn a profit. Appliances use to have a warranty of five years, now it's only a year. A pre 1995 appliance is much better built than today's models. The difference would shock most consumers if they knew the difference. The same can be said for Remington guns I guess. I have bought two Remingtons and the rest were handed down to me. My granfather told me to trade them in on a Winchester. I think it is about time to take his advice and clean out the Remingtons.

NONYA · « **Reply #20 on:** January 10, 2006, 03:04:14 PM »

What do you have to get rid of?

30-30man · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2006, 04:50:51 AM »

The 742, 597, 1100. I'm going to keep the 870.

NONYA · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2006, 09:02:54 AM »

what kind of 1100?3",3 1/2"?

30-30man · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2006, 12:41:28 PM »

This is an older model. I think it was bought in 1986. It only shoots 2 3/4 according to the barrel.

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:53:35 AM »

Just read your post....I have had my 597 for 6 years(i think), shoot it daily, and have never had a problem. One of the most accurate simi-autos I've ever shot....The only time I ever had it jam was when I tried federal ammo. Sure I have a jam everyonce in a while but I exspect that. I keep mine well cleaned and well oiled...Maybe I just go one of the good ones.

Did you ever take yours apart? I found out that if you tighten the two set srews that hold the bolt rails in place to tight that the gun will not function properly. Try letting those screws off about 1/4 a turn and see if that helps.

When I put those screws back in while cleaning mine. I tighten them down all the way and then let them off a quarter turn.

I don't know maybe this will fix the propblem your having.

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:57:29 AM »

30-30man · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2006, 04:32:42 PM »

I tried about all the different kimds of ammo I could buy locally. (CCI, Remington, Federal, Winchester, ETC) It jammed with all of them but I'd have to say the Winchester Xperts were the worst. I have adjusted the screws both ways and could not notice a difference either way. Two shots at the most then a jam. I know there have been a few who have had good luck with the 597 but I have had it with Remington all together. I glad to hear you have a good one. The 597's feel so good in your hands, I really wanted mine to shoot. Now I'm checking out a Taurus, man they are sharp.

deerslayer15 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 14, 2006, 10:38:57 AM »

I think I would send it back to remington and see if they can fix it befor I went and bought a whole new gun...But if you want another gun but don't want to spend a arm and a leg for it. I would get the marlin 60. I looked at the stainless modle with the sythetic stock and it looked really nice, for 179 dollars I don't think you can beat it. Another good thing about the marlin 60 is that it groups like nothing I have ever seen. It beats the h*** out of my 597. I almost lost my 597 shooting agianst my buddies marlin 60...Good thing he didn't want to take my baby from me

30-30man · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2006, 04:30:41 PM »

I'm going to sell all my Remingtons and buy a good 22 LR or 22 Mag. I already have a buyer. I can't make up my mind. It's either going to be a Marlin 60 or Taurus pump gun. The Taurus pump gun just reminds me of my grandad's old Winchester. His will shoot shorts, long, and long rifle. I wonder if the Taurus pumps are the same. The local gun shop has the Model 73 for $323. Walmart has the same gun for $226. Both of the places will have to order it. I just hate buying a gun from Walmart but the price they have on these Taurus' can't be beat.

rangerruck · « **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2006, 04:49:43 PM »

go to rimfirecentral.com there are many fixes for that rifle, the most important being ,if you have older mags, there are newer ones that have different specs. the other ifx is to tightne up the bolt guide rods.