Author Topic: neck sizing for encores? (Read 1237 times)

thelaw · « **on:** January 06, 2006, 01:14:51 PM »

when neck sizing cases for my nef handi i found that cased often stuck, had to switch to full-length sizing. thinking about gettting an encore and was wondering is full-length resizing also required for the encore?

KN · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2006, 03:24:46 PM »

In my opinion yes. Lock up problems can be found from neck sizing only in TC's. If you are very dilligent you can neck size without any problem but I don't find its worth the extra trouble over full length sizing. I cant see much difference in accuracy one way or the other. KN

kgillard · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2006, 07:01:47 PM »

Hi thelaw,

I fully agree with KN and I can tell you from personal experience that you need to full length size your cases. I shoot a .375 H&H and thought neck sizing was all that was needed. Spent days trying to remove a stuck loaded round.

In mine, it appears that the case really only needed sizing about 1/8th to 3/16ths inch above the belt...that's where it got stuck. Can't tell you about other calibers, but I'm sure the problems are very similar. Just drop in some of your reloads and you'll probably be able to see at what point they're sticking or begin to stick.

Karl

Grumulkin · « **Reply #3 on:** January 07, 2006, 02:38:33 AM »

I have to disagree with some posters. I load for Encore barrels in 375 H&H Magnum, 270 Winchester, 308 Winchester, 7 mm/08 and 22/250 and only neck size for them via Lee Collet dies and have had no problems on multiple reloadings; ditto on Contender barrels in 357 Herrett and 222 Rem. An added benefit to collet dies is that I use no lube and thereby avoid a reloading step and a mess.

Of course, the cases I'm reloading for these barrels were originally shot in these barrels. If they had been initially shot in another barrel, then I might have problems.

Other things to consider if the loaded cartridges don't fit well; if you attempt to crimp a cartridge and wrinkle the neck even a little bit, it may not fit. If the bullet engages the lands (i.e., seated out too far) you may get a cartridge stuck. Your loaded cartridges should not require that Samson close the action. If the action closes easily, then you should be able to eject the cartridges without a problem. If the case is getting stuck in the body of the case just above the head of the cartridge, I would suspect the loads are a bit too hot.

kgillard · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2006, 04:26:13 AM »

Morning Grumulkin,

I bow to experience! All I can say is that full length sizing took care of my problem, but if I find a better way, I'm all about trying it.

Karl

animal · « **Reply #5 on:** January 07, 2006, 04:34:37 AM »

I only neck size for my .260 and have 0 problems . My bullets are only .003" off the rifling. I've heard that stuck cases are more common in the H&Rs due to rough chambers.

jason280 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 07, 2006, 07:25:19 AM »

Some of the guns I neck sized only for, such as my 7mm TCU, but others have been full-length sized. I've played around with neck sizing vs full length in my Contenders (that didn't require fireforming), and found no real accuracy difference.

Gitzit · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2006, 02:30:53 PM »

Because break open guns lack the camming ability of a bolt gun you should always do more than neck sizing only. Failure to do so will cause reliability problems in the field or more severe problems such as stuck cases. The following is the recommended way of properly adjusting your sizing die for break open guns. To initially set up your die the barrel should be removed from the gun and the extractor removed from the barrel. "The case head should be flush with the end of the barrel. If it isn't, you need to adjust your size die down in small increments until the case head is flush with the end of the barrel or protrudes no more than about .002." If the case head falls below the end of the barrel, you have pushed the shoulder back too far and created headspace. You can rely on "feel" as you run your finger across the end of the barrel and case head, or hold the end of the barrel up to eye level and sight across the end of the barrel to determine that the case head is not sticking out of the end of the barrel. .002" is difficult to see..... it is not much." I hope this helps.

Bullseye · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2006, 07:01:31 AM »

I neck size only for the Contender and Encore and have for years with zero problems. Calibers I neck size only for are 22H, 223 & 30-30 in the Contender and 25-06 in the Encore.

str8shooter48 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 10, 2006, 12:48:27 PM »

I neck size only for my Contender 223 and 35 Rem. Also my Encore 223 and going to order the die set for my 308 Encore after dinner tonight. Not to forget my 6mm Rem Ruger 77.

I found thet Lee collet neck sizing dies work well for me. Once the case is fire formed to the chamber, the neck is the only part of the case that is touched. Two plusses using collet dies no lubing cases and very little case stretch.

hunter · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2006, 03:16:25 PM »

I neck size for contender 7x30 waters, .223 and encore 7mm-08. when you fire a round in your rifle the brass is fromed to the chamber i.e. i fire form 30-30 brass to make 7x30. if you look at these 2 pieces of brass they look way different(30-30) has a long neck. so with that said ,if your neck sized cases stick guess i would look at the trim to lenght. Also while were so close to the subject check the throt on your gun. Contenders and encores tend to be long. you can seat bullets out some and improve acc. Just make sure their .015 to .030 off the lands.

be safe hunter