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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2006, 04:52:48 PM »
It'll be interesting to read the latest post(s) here in the morning now won't it?
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2006, 05:02:09 PM »
:yeah:
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2006, 05:24:19 PM »
MSR Ret;

Well said, Well said. I could not agree with you more.
I, for one, also have to agree, 308 should still be here. But that is not the case. His insight and knowlage was a great asset.
Paul, (hellacatcher) called me tonite and we talked in length about what has happened to 308.
I may be booted off myself, but a time comes when one has to speak up, no matter what may happen. And, Yes, within a few weeks I'll meet up with Lamar and we will be shooting together. Have a few laughs and exchange some shooting insights, and fire a few rounds. He has my respect.
Again, MSP Ret. Very good piece of well written thoughts. You should be commended for your feelings and no fear approach.

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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2006, 06:10:09 PM »
I must be sleeping too much, I miss everything. :(

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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2006, 09:26:03 PM »
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And MtJerry, Be careful which way you spit, it may come back at you  :(  :?  8) .


I am getting to old to worry about what I say ... especially when I know I'm right.  My daddy taught me at an early age to stand up for what is right. Be polite about it (which I think I have), but stand up none the less.

You are a good man sir, and I respect your opinion.  I think we are on the same page about this issue.
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2006, 12:27:56 AM »
thats a shame i liked  308  i dont recall  him geting in to any  heated  words with any one  i for one enjoyed his posts. i thought we all have a right to disagree in a polite maner ? after all non of us ever stop learning till the day we die. life is like a self sirvice cafe you see something and say thats a good idea why dident i think of that thats how wee all learn. i was allways thaught to juge a person on the way he treats you and 308 allways treated me with respect . i had a lot of respect for the man i will miss him.

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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2006, 07:41:04 AM »
Ok there is enough misinformation, distortion of facts and perhaps even an outright lie or two been posted so far so let's have a bit of truth for a change.

First no one has been banned in perhaps two years or more. It's been so long I don't even know who or when the last one was but it was no doubt someone who either intentionally tried to ruin the site or posted graphically obsense stuff. It's nearly impossible to be banned here.

I did get an e-mail from someone, who I have no clue, asking if they had been banned. I assured them no one had been banned in a long long time and suggested that if they would tell me their username I could tell them more. Was it .308? I have no clue. The function that allows me to identify a member by e-mail address is not working at this time so I couldn't search to see who they were. Whoever it was they haven't contacted me again. So whether it was him or someone else I don't know.

What did in fact happen in his case is this:

He and some other folks just cannot seem to get along. I don't know why or really who is at fault. I suspect both sides are to blame to some extent. That's usually the way of it. He has a few folks on his side and there is a two way exchange of insults between the two groups both on and off forum. For the most part at least what has happened on forum has been within the rules even if only barely at times. What has happened off forum has not always stayed within the rules for forum use but then I don't really require that off forum only on forum as that's all I control.

In this case some PM were exchanged and both sides said things that were NOT acceptable to say on forum. That in itself violates no site rules even tho I'd have preferred the exchange be via e-mail but since no one other than the parties to them see the PMs all was cool to that point.

BUT .308 stepped over the line. He posted on open forum things said in private. Things that do in fact violate forum rules. So when he did that he violated the site rules. That cannot and does not go unpunished. So he got a time out to think about what he had done. That's all that happened. Nothing more.

If you think I care whether he posts here or doesn't post here then you'd be badly mistaken. I really don't. Makes no difference to me one way or the other. BUT if he is to post here just like anyone else he will obey the rules or he will get the standard treatment. Which is what the time out amounted to. A more severe violation would have been dealt with a bit more harshly.

Anyone else who is pissed off that I make the rules and enforce them even against folks you'd prefer I not may feel free to join him where ever he is. I really just don't care. You pay not one red cent toward the up keep of this site and you will not make the rules or determine how I enforce them. Yup that's written in stone.

I've been sick, am sick and am not in the mood for this crap. So get over it or get gone. I've got more things to worry about than a bunch of folks who are by age adults but who want to act like a bunch of school age kids.


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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2006, 08:03:10 AM »
Graybeard,thanks for clearing all this up :D
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2006, 11:51:51 AM »
i will get with .308 and let him know what your words were.it will be up to him to get ahold of you for more info.

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« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2006, 01:13:15 PM »
Thanks for the info "right from the horse's mouth" GB. Hopefully .308 (if he was the one who e-mailed you), can find out he has not been banned. I believe he was an asset to the site. That he may have crossed the line on something I had no knowledge. By the way, if you still have that e-mail on your computer could you try just sending the person a "reply" even if you do not know who the e-mail is from? I hope you feel better soon and this place gets back to normal, in more ways than one!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2006, 01:55:08 PM »
i will try to talk .308 into returning here.he will have to compleat his time out or punishment and then square things with Graybeard.

i hope he does come back and  from what i have seen there are many that want him back.i will also teach him how to deal with the ones in question??

when there is a post of bad words against him he will just say this to them:

this is my responce to your post above
 :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)  :)

this will let them know just how he feels and will also let them know what? :-D

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« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2006, 01:58:13 PM »
GB'

i'd guess that some are complaining about me as much as, or more than, anyone else -- including the moderator(s) that ".308"  found offensive.   i guess that it's human nature, but i think some can't stand 'competition' and have to get all the press.   that's how it seemed to me on the old NEF site.   i stirred the pot regularly over there simply by daring to post on a site that some seemingly thought was their own e-mail, their own private property.   i found them to be arrogant, and still do.   i made a point of their folly to them not because they'd made a simple mistake -- but because of their arrogance.    at the age of 53 i believe i have accurate assessment of that much.   i also understand that this more family-oriented site is no place for such vociferous harangue.  

i think that i have safely stayed away from illegal drugs, for example, simply because i understood the harm in them -- even though i never consumed any.   i think i understand how the neighbors stove could have burned me when i was young, even though i never tried it after burning my hand on the ONE at home.   and so on, ad nauseaum!    but there's no room for such cognition on this forum with some of the guys/gals, it seems.  

it seems that if someone on this site, myself a couple of times included, makes a simple mistake that it becomes "feeding time" for some of the others.   that's ridiculous.    no one on this site, no one, is correct 100% of the time (ONLY GOD IS, I BELIEVE).   by the same token, some are capable of greater Intuitive and 'vicarious' (?) understanding than others.     i think that, too, runs into resistance.   i know, for myself, that i do not have to load every straight-walled cartridge ever produced to understand why they work differently than bottle-necks.   (i load both kinds, FWIW).    when someone challenges, "how many rounds have you loaded?" i feel like they can put their arrogance where the sun don't go, and take a jump if their egoes can't abide it.   no one, in my mind, has to explain something like that to anyone here.   i don't remember a "test" for such membership....

that's part of the reason why i post other informative sites on this forum: so that the members herein can see that nobody here has all the answers and that things are not always as alleged.    it may take the wind out of the sails of some of the members at GBO, but at least it is potentially a further source of truth.   i know that the few people i've met/spoken with at the Camp Perry matches are an entirely different sort of fraternity than what we have here.    so, naturally, their websites are different as well.    i like this site, and the others as well.

i thank you for what you have given us here, in spite of the contention sometimes engendered.    i thank you also for your tolerance of some of OUR shenanigans.    i don't know what else to say except that there should be room for opposing views on this site, even if it detracts from the  'stature' that some seem to need so badly.    no matter what else happens on planet earth, opposing views -- properly handled -- represent a chance for learning.  

at least, that's how this seems to be going to me.

take care,

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« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2006, 02:00:07 PM »
It would be nice to have .308 back among us Jeff. I hope he will at least consider returning. I have hopes he knows how much he is missed and how many here, the GREAT majority, want him to return....<><.... :grin:

(If I read the above post by SS correctly even he would be in agreement with .308's return, because as SS has stated "opposing views -- properly handled -- represent a chance for learning.")
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« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2006, 02:41:22 PM »
MSP'

while i don't agree with some of what he had to say, and don't want any more PM's from him, yes, i'd agree that he should be allowed to return, as GrayBeard said he can.    i think it's between him and GrayBeard really.    i know i wouldn't vote against it.......FWIW.  

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« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2006, 02:58:08 PM »
Jeff,

Please tell him i would love to see him back.  I'll promise to be his personal bodyguard.

besides, I owe him some 445sm brass  :lol:
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« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2006, 03:01:36 PM »
Also Jeff,

be sure to point out to him that this thread has gotten over 1000 hits in 2 days.  and by FAR the responses have been in his favor ... a sure sign his is missed by a LOT of people and there are a LOT of people watching this.
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« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2006, 03:51:57 PM »
.308 contributed alot to the forum but I still prefer the .30/06 :)
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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2006, 07:06:03 PM »
Safety sheriff.
I am in agreement of what you are saying.
308 send me several e-mails of what I thought doing a 30-30AI conversion on a Handi. I told him how I would do it and there should be no trouble doing by hand but advised him not to do it by hand.

I also told him to check out the chamber to make sure the old chamber was not too big and the bore is in line with the chamber.

On an unrelated post he jumped in and made a statement I was telling others to leave the site. It was in very bad taste and I told him so. I never insulted any one on this site and don't appreciate to be insulted.
His manners were arrogant and heartless.

Today is the first day that my shoulder is on the ment otherwise I would have replied sooner If I am one of the three or four people causing all the trouble, then perhaps I should take my leave. No fun being surounded by animosity. If you got a gripe spell it out.
You may not think so, but I love the Handi's and I have pair of beauties.

I am not posting to get the numbers up, but to contribute my knowledge. I have contributed many of the accuracy fixes and set up four web pages for the benefit of Handi users.

Many asking for advise from members  thinking it to be their god given right to get answers and never say as much as thank you.
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« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2006, 07:30:03 PM »
Fred=Don't leave here. I do a lot of lurking and I enjoy reading your posts for all the information you contribute. I don't know what went on exactly but I thought most people on this forum got along reasonably well. Maybe some of the animosity is due to cabin fever and post holiday stress. :D
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« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2006, 09:12:27 PM »
I am ashamed how nieve I have been as of late. There has been a lot at work around here that I wasn't aware of and am glad was brought to my attention.
I have no personal beef with 308. I have never got into it with him before and am glad to have not.
But there has been too much shift of blame towards good people that have contributed too much to this site. I for one appreciate all that these "main ones"-by this I mean Mac11700 and others- have done for me, and am glad to be friends of them.
I for one feel that the matter was delt with.
Graybeard has set the rules for this site and we have all read them. We are just visiters here. If you cross them, your warned, do it again..and your gone. Plan and simple.
Moderators are put here to help, not ambush/bait/ conspire against members that they disagree with.
Here in the NEF/H&R forum THEY HAVE NOT AMBUSHED/BAITED/ OR CONSPIRED!
308 messed up. Not the Moderators or active posters here.
We all disagree at times its a simple fact. No one should make it personal to disagree with another person.
As far as the 30-30AKI goes there was a lot of debate. And for good reason. Concern for members and their saftey is primary. I am no master reloader, nor do I pretend to know all the facts about Akley's projects. It's a personal decision if a person decided to perform this project, but facts and only facts should be researched carefully before anyone even thinks about attemping a task. Active posters and Moderators, such as Mac, were only trying to reinforce this. Because too many people visit this site and are easily encouragable.

Weither 308 comes back or not, it's his decision.
But I won't let friends here be accused of anything more than trying to help.
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2006, 10:16:46 PM »
I must admit I was quite surprised when I finally got up from bed again and found that my message was posted and not once but three times. I did all I could to verify each time it wasn't there and it wasn't. Weird things going on with the forums of late. Maybe we'll eventually fix that.

The person did in fact respond to my reply and it turned out it was .308. When I first woke awhile ago at about 2:30 AM I read his e-mail and sent him a long reply in explaination. Whether he wishes to return or not is up to him. I figure his time out is about up and plan to reinstate the account today if the dang software will let me.

Guys I'm way too sick right now to deal with petty arguments which I suspect are a carry over from the old NEF forums on Marlin's site. Right now is NOT the time to push me one way or another. Between my health and the problems the forums are giving me now is NOT a good time. Pushed very much I will repond and you might not like the way I do. So just cool it for now.

End the silly arguments and just follow the rules here so it stays under the radar for me. I've got more than enough to deal with at this time without a bunch of grown men acting like 8 year olds.

.308 messed up when he posted the PM that contained words not acceptable on forum. They weren't originally typed on forum and I'm not trying to control what you guys put in PMs or e-mails to each other. But because it was in a PM or e-mail does not mean it can be put on open forum. He got a time out, it's over and I suggest you ALL let it end there and get on with adult discussions of the rifles you all say you love so well.


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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2006, 11:59:33 PM »
Bill, I don't know what kind of health issues are going on with you.  What I do know,  the guys on this forum kept my family in their prayers the last few weeks while my Dad was going through heart surgery and all that goes with that.  It made a difference.  So, you will be in my prayers.  I hope you feel better soon.  

I can't speak for anyone but me,  I appreciate this site and have enjoyed being part of the Graybeard family.  Your efforts here are appreciated.
Thank You.

As for all of you who are not getting along at the moment...You are all in my prayers, too.  Just like siblings, we are gonna get into it once in a while.  At the end of the day, let's remember we are still a family and being part of a family is sometimes hard work but, it's worth the effort.  God Bless You All.   Just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2006, 03:35:30 AM »
GB, I as Cookieman, will keep you and your health in my prayers.


Fred M!!!, for pete's sake buddy, don't leave!!! I don't believe there was any reference to you in any comments about posting a lot (I thought perhaps a reference to me  :oops: ). If that in itself is a crime then I am guilty. I at no time thought you were involved in this misunderstanding. Stay with us good buddy, you are wanted, needed, and respected.


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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2006, 08:14:52 AM »
Fred M--thanks for all the tips and advice you have given.
Safety Sheriff----by the way, on the old forum I stuck up for you 99% of
the time. I posted under Snowbound which was a Navy call sign from HS-11 when at Quanset Point RI.  I was not Big Mortie...ho ho ho....can't we all just get along ????

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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2006, 11:51:35 AM »
i got with .308 this morning on another site and he said he will return once his account is turned back on.

this is good news for many :mrgreen:

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« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2006, 11:54:09 AM »
GLAD to hear it   :D
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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2006, 12:31:36 PM »
That's well!!! I thought GB said his "time out" had been served? "Whether he wishes to return or not is up to him. I figure his time out is about up and plan to reinstate the account today if the dang software will let me." I guess it's up to GB's health and the software now. All's well that ends well
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2006, 12:51:19 PM »
I miss Big Mortie.
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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2006, 01:00:21 PM »
me too :)

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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2006, 01:00:56 PM »
Quote from: Stan in SC
I miss Big Mortie.


me too :cry:  :cry:



hey maybe we can start a thread and get him back too!!!!!! oh wait his time out isn't over yet :roll:



hey if 308 wants to come back let him , i got no problem with him.

i like this thread it show everyone's true colors, its nice to see the site sticking together.
curiosity killed the cat , but i was lead suspect for a while