Author Topic: Encore or Omega poll (Read 1661 times)

jrkrk · « **on:** January 12, 2006, 05:28:59 PM »

Hey guys which do you prefer Encore or omega and why? :-)

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2006, 05:18:48 AM »

I like the Encore the best. I know both rifles shoot well, but I like the way the Encore breaks open, making it easier to install my 25 ACP primer. I don't like the way the Omega opens with the trigger guard. I think the Encore has the advantage because of the barrel selection other than just a muzzleloader. Price is not that far off from one to the other, just a little more for the Encore. Other than that they are very close.

slave · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2006, 07:28:26 AM »

Encore do to barrel selection selection.

Stan M. · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2006, 12:00:38 PM »

dmills · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2006, 05:27:01 AM »

I looked at both. I do not need the interchangeable barrels. I bought the Omega because I did like the breech drop as opposed to the breakopen of the Encore. All personal choices. The only problem I have with the Omega (and it is a big one) is that the breech can drop open while walking and the primer can then fall out. On my last "hunt" of the season, this happened without my knowing and IF I had gotten a shot at a deer, I would have been sick. I have not contacted T/C about this, but it could be a problem.

Encore28 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2006, 06:41:06 AM »

ENCORE

Tn Jim · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2006, 07:16:44 AM »

Gotta go with the Encore on this one. I switch barrels with a 7-08 and I love the idea of having one gun to do everything I want to do. :grin:

toecutter · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2006, 06:32:29 AM »

Another one for the encore!!
I'd like an omega too, but since I could only afford one at a time, I went with the encore and couldn't be happier.

toecutter · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2006, 06:46:15 AM »

Sorry, I forgot to say why. I like the action design and the ability to change barrels. And with walnut and stainless it looks damn good!!

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2006, 07:06:26 AM »

Omega---got mine for $279 so price isn't even "close" between the two. Not to mention you'll be spending almost as much for an Encore barrel as I paid for my complete Omega.

It was nice walking out the door without filling out the yellow(white) form.

Have no use for single shot centerfire rifles---if I want to be restricted---I'll take my Omega----all my centerfire rifles are either semi-auto or bolt actions.

The action in my Omega locks up good and tight---you might want to have T/C take a look at yours.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2006, 08:01:12 AM »

Quote from: Omaha-BeenGlockin

Omega---got mine for $279 so price isn't even "close" between the two. Not to mention you'll be spending almost as much for an Encore barrel as I paid for my complete Omega.

It was nice walking out the door without filling out the yellow(white) form.

Have no use for single shot centerfire rifles---if I want to be restricted---I'll take my Omega----all my centerfire rifles are either semi-auto or bolt actions.

The action in my Omega locks up good and tight---you might want to have T/C take a look at yours.

As for the price comparison, I was looking at the Omega with the thumbhole stock and stainless, in the high $400 to $500 range.
Filling out that yellow form is not a problem in Delaware, it only take less than 5 minuets to get it approved. The single shot challenge not only applies to muzzleloading. I don't consider it to be restricted. I also have bolt action rifles but some times I like to be different.

jrkrk · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2006, 11:07:13 AM »

Omega TX the problem you have with your omega action opening on it's own is the allen screw that holds the trigger assembly pin in place. Take the barrel out of the stock and have the barrel laying down on something flat and have the trigger assembly facing up. The pin that holds the trigger assembly in place is held in place with a small allen screw I would check to see if that is loose if it is that is the problem tighten the allen screw and that action will never drop open on it's own again..Let me know how you make out. Thanx johh :-)

dmills · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2006, 01:10:29 PM »

Quote from: jrkrk

Omega TX the problem you have with your omega action opening on it's own is the allen screw that holds the trigger assembly pin in place. Take the barrel out of the stock and have the barrel laying down on something flat and have the trigger assembly facing up. The pin that holds the trigger assembly in place is held in place with a small allen screw I would check to see if that is loose if it is that is the problem tighten the allen screw and that action will never drop open on it's own again..Let me know how you make out. Thanx johh :-)

I am sitting here with the barrel out of the stock and have the barrel laying down flat and have the trigger assembly facing up. I do not see a small allen screw anywhere. What am I missing. BTW this is the Z5 version, but I thought the trigger and action assemblies were the same.

poncaguy · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2006, 01:32:48 PM »

I have both, my Z5 Omega is more accurate...............

jrkrk · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2006, 04:30:30 PM »

The pin that holds the trigger assembly that allows you to drop open the action. You should see a small hole there and in the bottom of that hole there should be a allen screw. Look in your owners manual under trigger assembly for cleaning and you will see what I mean

AndyHass · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2006, 06:36:59 AM »

Omega. I looked and both, and just talked to a LOT of people that had problems getting accuracy out of their Encore. No need to start debating this, as I know many people here had no such problems. I just found far fewer people unhappy with their Omegas.

My friend went the other way and shortly thereafter got an Encore. After many hours fiddling with the various fixes, he is stuck with a gun that is not accurate shooting any bullet with more than 85gr of powder. He's got a better trigger than me though. The biggest improvement to the Omega would be an adjustable trigger.

dmills · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2006, 11:47:21 AM »

Quote from: jrkrk

The pin that holds the trigger assembly that allows you to drop open the action. You should see a small hole there and in the bottom of that hole there should be a allen screw. Look in your owners manual under trigger assembly for cleaning and you will see what I mean

The manual with this gun does not have a section for cleaing the trigger assembly, nor do the diagrams in the book show a hole. I went to Cabelas today and looked at some other Omega models (not Z5s like mine) and there was a small hole behind the trigger guard. If that is what you are referring to, mine does not have that hole. I'll try calling T/C. Thanks.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2006, 12:30:07 PM »

Quote from: AndyHass

Omega. I looked and both, and just talked to a LOT of people that had problems getting accuracy out of their Encore. No need to start debating this, as I know many people here had no such problems. I just found far fewer people unhappy with their Omegas.

My friend went the other way and shortly thereafter got an Encore. After many hours fiddling with the various fixes, he is stuck with a gun that is not accurate shooting any bullet with more than 85gr of powder. He's got a better trigger than me though. The biggest improvement to the Omega would be an adjustable trigger.

I don't know how that is true, but the Encore and Omega use the same barrels. Four Encore muzzleloader barrels and all get 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups at 100 yards. :? :? :?

WylieKy · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2006, 12:59:10 PM »

I prefer the Omega because that's what I have. I told my wife I wanted an Encore, and she got confused at Wally World and got me the Omega for Christmas the year they came out. I've never shot the Encore, but the Omega shoots like a dream. Zero complaints about the Omega, also not complaing about a wife willing to get me a gun for Christmas, even if it wasn't exactly what I wanted. :grin:

hiker270 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2006, 03:28:39 PM »

I have one of each and prefer the Omega only because it outshoots my Encore. The Encore does have a slightly better trigger.

slave · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2006, 05:34:25 PM »

Another reason the Encore may be a better selection.

I think we often expect more from an out of the box rifle than it can deliver on its own. The Encore has almost no limits as to how far it can be improved do to an endless supply of parts. Granted this adds cost but also can be rewarding. Most important, is all of the tinkering has increased the amount of time I spend at my range. I have found that I am the most inconsistant component. It is easy to shot a 1/2" group with any quality centerfire and good ammunition. But it is tough to repeat a procedure such as cleaning, loading, and seating a bullet accurately enough to get those types of results with any ml. I think any Omega or Encore that has not been abused has the ability to shot groups under 1". Buy working with my trigger, pins, breech plugs and ect I have shot more than I would have if these options were not a possibility. All of the practice may have improved my Encore more than the parts!!!

rs · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2006, 02:36:52 PM »

Encore for me, trouble free,and very accurate and the selection of centerfire calibers is a big plus

AndyHass · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2006, 03:40:59 PM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

I don't know how that is true, but the Encore and Omega use the same barrels. Four Encore muzzleloader barrels and all get 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups at 100 yards. :? :? :?

The barrel may be the same, but the method by which it is attached to the gun, and the foreend attached on the Encore, are fundamentally different. You cannot truly float an Encore barrel. For an example, read the description of Encore accurizing on the Precision Rifle site.

2 inches at 100 yds is not acceptable accuracy to me, as I've gotten every ML of mine to shoot 1" or so with at least one 100gr+ load. My friend's Encore can't do it with anything over 80-85gr.

I'm glad you're having good luck with yours, my friend has been extremely disappointed with his. He's talked to other Encore people who had similar problems too. As I said, no real point in debating it, there are people who have had good luck with them and people who have had bad.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 22, 2006, 03:40:36 AM »

AndyHass, you are correct, no point in debating it.

field989 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2006, 10:56:44 AM »

I have a omega and my dad has a encore,
I purchased my omega when it first came out(stainless and hardwoods composite), I love it, its fun to shoot and shoots great.

I have to go with OMEGA.

but they both feel nice and shoot great.

also my dad used 150grains and can shoot 1 inch or smaller groups at 100 yards, using hornady lock n load speed sabots(250 grain bullet)

Omega · « **Reply #25 on:** January 27, 2006, 03:05:31 AM »

T/C will announce a new Encore line @ the Shot Show in Vegas next month. One of the exciting changes is a 28" 50 cal barrel, the same as the one used on the Omega. Early testing has proven these new barrels are real shooters with .4" groups being documented!

kudzu · « **Reply #26 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:10:25 AM »

Savage 10 MLII- OPPS that wasn't one of the choices, was it.

harvester · « **Reply #27 on:** February 02, 2006, 01:17:15 AM »

i have shot a .5", 4 shot group at 100 yards with my omega.

the poll is rather useless, because most people either buy the omega or the encore, and not both, and therefore don't have a lot of experience with the other.

i obviously bought an omega. never owned or shot an encore, but i'll say this. i previously shot a NEF huntsman. i ended up getting rid of it because as i shot it, fouling would cause lock-up problems - the breech needed to be slammed shut to ensure it locked up properly. of course, good cleanings took care of this problem, but nonetheless, it was a hassle i didn't need. furthermore, i experienced some blowback with the break open NEF, which doesn't really affect performance, but can dirty up a scope. i don't know if these problems are inherent to break actions or just NEFs, but i suspect that its the action type.

chuck hawks said that the encore is great shooting, not because of its action, but in spite of it. i tend to agree with him. the barrel accessory program is nice, but it too has its drawbacks. POI problems have been detailed in other forums, as well as other problems.

the omega is pure muzzleloader. simple to load, simple to clean. shoots extremely well.

the problem described with the breech falling during travel is unique. i've never heard of that before. mine has a distinct snap when you raise the breech. there's no way it would open unless i opened it.

encores are great guns. so are NEF's. i don't like the barrel accessory programs, because i feel i'd need to test fire every time i swapped a barrel. i'd rather just buy a new firearm. obviously, comparing prices, the NEF's make that more reasonable.

whichever way you go, i'd recommend making the gun a permanent muzzleloader. obviously, with the omega, you have no choice. but if i got an encore, i would use it strictly as a muzzleloader.

K.K. · « **Reply #28 on:** February 02, 2006, 02:56:00 PM »

I like both, but as everyone knows, the Encore is more versatile. I handgun hunt with a .308 pistol that outshoots many of the rifles on the rack, and switch it to a muzzleloader, and it shoots m.o.a when I do my part. The Omega is over priced, in my opinion, for a rifle that is only a muzzleloader. But hey, that what makes the world go 'round.

WingMaster · « **Reply #29 on:** February 05, 2006, 03:27:56 AM »

Encore. I just picked mine up. I wanted a really nice ML right off the bat. I don't switch between guns from year to year. I also wanted the ability to swap barrels too.

My cousin bought his Omega last year and not long afterwards told me he wished he'd spent a little more for the Encore. Not a performance issue so much as his Omega "doesn't do much for the gun case" as he put it.