Author Topic: marlin 356 xlr (Read 1341 times)

shilo · « **on:** January 14, 2006, 03:13:02 AM »

I'd like to see Marlin chamber thier xlr in 356. That would give some meaning to extreme long range. Hopefully they'll at least bring out a 35 Rem xlr.

jbadams66 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2006, 05:49:41 PM »

The .35 rem in the xlr would be good, the .356 in the xlr would be better but I really think that a new .35 cal marlin based on the .450 would be one sweet gun. The bullets are already being made, could reach higher velocities then the .356 at the same pressure or the same velocities with less due to larger case capacity. Just seems like it would be the perfect all around round. Flatter shooting then the .45-70 or .444, not too much for whitetale and plenty for larger game.

For now I will keep playing with my little ol .35 remington and loving it. :grin:

one can always dream.

Big Paulie · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2006, 09:52:43 AM »

Would someone please clear up some confusion for me?

Why in the world wouldn't Marlin just make a rifle in the .348 Winchester (which I understand is a rimmed cartridge and a proven performer?) Is the .348 just too long to chamber in a carbine such as the .356? Is the pressure too high?

Is there some technical reason why Winchester (20 years ago), when trying to come out with more powerful Model 94s, went the direction of creating a totally new cartridge (the .356 Winchester) instead of just using the tried and true .348 Winchester?

Edify me, . . . . please. :-)

Thanks, Big Paulie

jbadams66 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2006, 03:19:24 PM »

as far as I know it is just the length of the cartridge. limits the marlin action from alot of other offerings that would be great to have.

jr meredith · « **Reply #4 on:** January 22, 2006, 02:05:51 PM »

i own a 336w 30/30 do you guys think the xlr(in 30/30) is a better rifle than the 336w. i only have almost 60rounds through my 336 and i really only use it to hog hunt but i really like the idea of the xlr so that i would use it all a round

jr

Big Paulie · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2006, 10:35:02 AM »

Meredith,

Somehow the shooting and hunting world have gotten by with the regular Marlin 336 for more than 100 years without any problems. The 336XL is not better, its just another variant that will be dropped in a few years. No hog or deer will walk away with a 170 grain slug fired from your present Marlin 336 in 30-30. Take it hunting. Afterwards, clean it. End of Story.

Big Paulie

victorcharlie · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2006, 12:46:43 PM »

:cb3: :yeah: Just what Big Paulie said.......

jbadams66 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2006, 02:28:54 PM »

All the shooters were doing just fine with thier .45-50 cal muzzle loaders before the great .30-30, just shoot them, clean them and go on. With your way of thinking there shouldnt be a .35, .444, .45-70 or .450 chambered in the Marlin. Thats just not fun for me.
Try something new for once, you never know if you like it better or it works better if you never try it. If you want to stick with your .30-30 and 170 gr. bullet then more power to you.

For me I would like a .358 diameter bullet that runs about 220grs leaving the barrel of a marlin at about 2400 fps. I cant do that with my .35 remington, the .356 might be able to do it, I dont know but I figure a wildcat based on the .450 case could do it and keep pressure down enough for the marlin. Do I hunt anything now that needs this, No but I still would like one. :grin:

jr meredith · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2006, 12:19:59 PM »

hey BP

what do you think of the new ammo they just put out
the reason i am asking is my 336 does not do good at 100 yrd (3.5-4 in)
using remmington core loks 150 gr

thanks jr

Big Paulie · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2006, 01:48:49 PM »

Hey Jr.

You may already know all of this, but:

1. When you sight in your Marlin 336, you have to put the receiver of the rifle directly on a soft rest. Don't put the forearm down on the rest. Just put the receiver right down on it (in front of the lever), and hold the forearm with your snugly with your left hand. This may cut your groups in half.

2. Almost all Marlin 336s I have seen like the 170 grain load better. In other words, they seem to shoot them more accurately than the 150 grain. I don't know why, but given that there is not an inch worth of difference in the trajectory out to 175 yards, try shooting the 170 grains.

3. When sighting in, only load and shoot one round at a time. Don't fill up your mag tube with 4 or 5 shots. With each shot, the weight of the front of your rifle will change, and shift the zero somewhat.

4. If your barrel has micro-groove rifling, then I have found that you have to clean them out with a quick swab of Hoppes every 20 shots or so, or those small grooves get filled with gunk, and accuracy suffers. The groups will open up to about 4 or 5 inches and stay there if the barrel gets dirty. You don't have to scrub it with a brush, just run a quick wet patch through, wait about a minute, and then run clean patches through.

Doing this, I have never seen a Marlin 336 that would not group at two inches or less with factory ammo (assuming no damage to the crown or rifling.)

Hope this helps.

Big Paulie

Big Paulie · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2006, 01:56:52 PM »

Hey JB Adams,

He didn't ask whether he should buy a new XLR in .356 Winchester. He said that he already has a 336 in 30-30 (only 60 rounds through it), and he wanted to know if he should get rid of it and buy a new XLR in 30-30 :-)

That's why I answered why I did.

Big Paulie

jbadams66 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2006, 03:53:55 PM »

I see where the mix up was. I was still on the subject of the .356 xlr.

I agree the .30-30 is good for just about anything and the other setup marlin puts out will work just as good as the new xlr.

Still would like to see a .358 or .375 cal marlin cartridge put out that would use the new pointed ammo with a little more pop then the .35 rem.

Lone Star · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2006, 03:47:49 AM »

Quote

You may already know all of this, but: 1. When you sight in your Marlin 336...

All of that is great information if all you want to do is shoot small groups you can brag about on-line, but some of it is just a poor way to sight in for a hunt - IMO. You want the rifle to be sighted in using the same technique you'll use in the field.
I don't know a single M336 hunter who:
* Hunts with an empty magazine, or
* Rests the rifle on the receiver when firing at game.

It is essential to sight in with the magazine tube full, just as it will be when you are taking that first shot at game - otherwise, as pointed out above, the point of impact will be different. When sighting in off the bench, grip the forend with the left hand and rest that hand on the front bags - this gives a much better approximation of how you will be holding the rifle when it counts in the field.

If all your shots are at 50 yards or less, then it really doesn't matter if the point of impact is several inches off, but if you want to make that 150 yard shot...... :roll:

Savage .250 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 27, 2006, 04:51:01 AM »

I know this started out as a .356 question then got side-tracked to one about the XLR series in 30-30 so i`d like to add:
This is taken from the Marlin site. "New Marlin XLR series designed to maximize performance of LeverRevolution ammo."
Also in part,"....................which is now a legitimate 250-300 yard deer cartridge." They are talking about the 30-30. Looks like they have
added some giddy-up to this old reliable round.

Keith L · « **Reply #14 on:** January 27, 2006, 11:22:39 AM »

I agree with Lonestar. Mine is a 30AW which I understand is a 336 made for Walmart. It had a hard trigger when I got it, and after I did a trigger job with the magazine filled and resting on the forearm I get less than 3/4 inch groups with Federal Premium ammo. It wears a 2X7 Japaneese Tasco from the old days on Weaver base and rings. I think this is pretty good for a cheap gun. I never tried it with resing on the reciever and one shot at a time. I don't hunt that way with it, and I have it to hunt with.