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Offline RedRyder21

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The end of the '94!!!!
« on: January 17, 2006, 09:25:08 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2006, 12:12:17 PM »
I just went to the site, it's true. The 94 has to be one of the most popular guns in the history of firearms. I have a Canadian Centenial [1967] myself and it gets used more that any of my other centerfires......... A sad day indeed........Jim

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2006, 01:23:26 PM »
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End of an era as Winchester rifle plant prepares to close
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By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer

January 17, 2006, 4:52 PM EST

NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- U.S. Repeating Arms Co. Inc. said Tuesday it will close its Winchester firearm factory, threatening the future of a rifle that was once called "The Gun that Won the West."

"It's part of who we are as a nation just like it's part of who we are as a city," Mayor John DeStefano said.

The announcement touched off a lobbying effort by city officials and union leaders who hoped to find a buyer for the plant before it closes March 31. If no buyer comes forward, it could spell the end for nearly all commercially produced Winchesters, said Everett Corey, a representative of the International Association of Machinists District 26.

"Winchester would be pretty much defunct," he said. "They're not going to produce them, other than a couple custom-type models."

The company has been plagued by slumping firearm sales. More than 19,000 people worked there during World War II, but the plant employs fewer than 200 now. All will lose their jobs when the plant closes.

The Winchester model 1873 lever action rifle was popular among American frontiersmen at the end of the 19th century for its reliability. John Wayne made the Winchester rifle a signature of his movies and Chuck Connors posed menacingly with his Winchester on the poster for the television series "The Rifleman."

"Marlin made lever-action rifles but nobody ever had a Marlin in films or TV series. They were always Winchesters," said Ned Schwing, a firearms historian.

Perhaps the company's greatest unofficial spokesman was President Teddy Roosevelt, who used the 1895 model on his famous 1909 African safari, which historians credited with boosting the sale of Winchester sporting rifles.

Since the plant opened in 1866, tens of millions of Winchester rifles have been produced, the bulk of which came between the late 1800s and the end of World War II, said firearms historian R.L. Wilson, who has written books about Winchester. More than six million copies of the Winchester Model 94, the company's most popular rifle, have been produced.

"Several generations have worked at this place, a lot of fathers and brothers, sons, uncles and daughters," said Paul DeMennato, facility director at U.S. Repeating Arms.

U.S. Repeating Arms, which is owned by the Herstal Group, a Belgium company, has said for years that it was on the brink of closing the plant.

DeMennato said the company is negotiating the plant's sale. Missouri-based Olin Corp. owns the Winchester brand name. In the late 1970s, after a massive strike by its machinists, Olin sold the plant to U.S. Repeating Arms along with the right to use the Winchester name until next year.

Olin had no immediate word on its plans for the Winchester name. DeMennato said he hopes the name will be sold along with the plant. Nobody at Herstal's headquarters in Belgium could be reached Tuesday afternoon.

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On the Web:

U.S. Repeating Arms: http://www.usracmfg.com

Winchester firearms: http://www.winchesterguns.com



Copyright (c) 2006, The Associated Press

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2006, 01:41:40 PM »
Wow :eek:

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2006, 03:10:55 AM »
It's actually just another chapter in a long saga.

Winchester as an arms manufacturer ended many long years ago. Olin maintained the ammo division and split off the firearms. They closed the doors effectively on Winchester firearms at that time.

US Repeating Arms then bought the plant and the right to use the Winchester name on guns they made. But in reality they were no longer WINCHESTER's in the truest sense since they weren't mae BY Winchester but merely carried the name and were made either by US Repeating Arms Co. or in Japan by Miroku. Then the French and Belgians bought them out.

So this is just another chapter in a continuing saga. The name is too old to die. Someone else will do as did US Repeating Arms back then. They will take over the plant and rent the name from Olin and there will again be some guns using the Winchester name abut like those of recent years they won't be REAL Winchesters as Winchester died when Olin closed the plant.


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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2006, 05:43:14 AM »
The Winchester plant may close and with it goes the "94" and others
  but there are still a ton of them to be found at gun shows.Good ones at
   that.
  I believe i`ll try an find a nice pre-1964 model 94 in .32 Spl before prices start to climb.

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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2006, 10:59:19 AM »
I hate to see the name Winchester disappear.  They sure built a lot of memorable guns, and a few that weren't.  I have several in the safe, including an infamous 1964 Model 70 in .264 Magnum.  I would like to see a couple more 94's in there to keep it company.  I recently saw a Model 94 in .444 that  felt like someone made it to my order.  I am afraid that, when word gets around, the Winchester marque is going to raise prices.  Goodbye savings account.

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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2006, 12:12:58 PM »
I agree with GB.  Winchester as a brand is powerful.  Someone will pick it up and put it on something.  Then we get to decide if that something is what we want or not.  Winchester as an American arms maker is gone, and the bits and pieces now known as US Repeating Arms is going.  As a member of the Machinists Union that represents the workers loosing their jobs there I am sorry.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2006, 12:18:13 PM »
Relax folks, not going to happen.

    Probably the most valuable asset that Olin owns is the Winchester trade name, and the Winchester model 94 is arguably the most recognizable rifle on the planet (except for maybe the AK 47 and M-16).  Rest assured that some joint venture will purchase the model 94 equipment from the defunct factory, plus get a license of the trademark from Olin, and continue to pump out Winchester 94s until long after we are dead.

   Watch for:

    1.  Savage Arms.

    2.  A Japanese company.

    3.  A small company like Henry Repeating Arms.

    4.  Whoever currently owns Browning.

    5.  Or, just another bunch of silly millionaires  (like the ones who paid almost $200 million for the Washington Redskins).

    Sit back, and watch.

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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 12:32:00 PM »
I hope you're right Big Paulie. I really want a good '94 in 30-30 (that Legacy Model looks just gorgeous), but being in grad school, well it's just not feasible. Can you spend student loans on guns? :-D
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 02:02:02 PM »
I wouldn't mind seeing Henry take over the 94 line. They put out a quallity gun for reasonable money. Plus it's made here in the "US".........Jim

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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2006, 03:26:25 AM »
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Watch for:

1. Savage Arms.

2. A Japanese company.

3. A small company like Henry Repeating Arms.

4. Whoever currently owns Browning.

5. Or, just another bunch of silly millionaires (like the ones who paid almost $200 million for the Washington Redskins).


Let's examine those possibilities.

1. They are having a hard enough time staying afloat themselves. Mossbery now owns them I think. At least that's the story I got from a member who tried to trace it down some while back as I recall. They are not in good financial shape themselves.

2. Think that highly unlikely. No history of it. They make guns for others to sell. But who knows Miroku makes the Winchester and Browning guns in Japan and could if they wanted to assuming Olin would agree.

3. Don't think Henry is big enough to pull it off but would be a nice choice if they could and would. The Model 94 line might fit in OK or it might be looked at as competition with their own guns. Unlikely in my mind.

4. Who do you think is dumping them? Duh.

5. Ah if only we had a bunch of silly billionaires who actually LIKE guns rather than hate them to do this. Now iffen I was a billionaire I'd do just that but I'd buy Remington first.


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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2006, 07:27:53 AM »
Hey maybe Uberti will buy the rights to the Winchester name :grin:
We could get real ( Winchester ) 66's and 73's  then :eek:

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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2006, 10:44:22 AM »
I would rather have Winchester than the Redskins!  Wouldn't it be great if we could get a person or group of people who wanted to make high quality Winchesters?  I would like to be part of that.
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2006, 01:26:29 PM »
News and Press Releases
 
 
 
Winchester signs license agreement with Hodgdon Powder Company
 
 
1/30/2006
Winchester Ammunition and Hodgdon Powder Company, two great names in reloading, are proud to announce a license agreement that is sure to excite every handloader.  Winchester® branded reloading powders will now be licensed to Hodgdon Powder Company. Hodgdon Powder Company is the industry leader in supplying reloading powders.  This partnership positions Winchester brand powders to best support the reloading customers’ needs.  

You will still be able to find your favorite Winchester powder, from 231 to Super Target, with the consistent supply and support you are accustomed to from Hodgdon Powder Company.

After a brief transition period, Hodgdon Powder Company will assume responsibility for all orders, shipments, customer and technical service, including loading data for all Winchester branded reloading powders.  Winchester Ammunition will continue to be your full line provider of world class ammunition and reloading components.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2006, 07:07:01 AM »
Quote from: ricciardelli
News and Press Releases
 
 
 
Winchester signs license agreement with Hodgdon Powder Company
 
 
1/30/2006
Winchester Ammunition and Hodgdon Powder Company, two great names in reloading, are proud to announce a license agreement that is sure to excite every handloader.  Winchester® branded reloading powders will now be licensed to Hodgdon Powder Company. Hodgdon Powder Company is the industry leader in supplying reloading powders.  This partnership positions Winchester brand powders to best support the reloading customers’ needs.  

You will still be able to find your favorite Winchester powder, from 231 to Super Target, with the consistent supply and support you are accustomed to from Hodgdon Powder Company.

After a brief transition period, Hodgdon Powder Company will assume responsibility for all orders, shipments, customer and technical service, including loading data for all Winchester branded reloading powders.  Winchester Ammunition will continue to be your full line provider of world class ammunition and reloading components.


So, Olin is getting out of the powder business. Hmmmm