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A new Winchester is a thing of the past!
« on: January 17, 2006, 06:12:00 PM »
U.S. Repeating Arms announces plans to close Winchester plant
By MATT APUZZO
Associated Press Writer

January 17, 2006, 2:23 PM EST

NEW HAVEN, Conn. -- U.S. Repeating Arms said Tuesday that it is preparing to close its flagship factory in New Haven, where Winchester rifles have been made for 140 years.

The announcement touched off a lobbying effort by city officials and union leaders who hoped to find someone to buy the plant before it closes March 31.

"It's part of who we are as a nation just like it's part of who we are as a city. It's the gun that won the West," Mayor John DeStefano said. "What are we going to have, Winchester rifles manufactured in China? Is this what we're coming to?"

Everett Corey, a representative of the International Association of Machinists District 26, said 186 workers will lose their jobs if the plant closes. The company said it had more than 19,000 workers during World War II.

"Several generations have worked at this place, a lot of fathers and brothers, sons, uncles and daughters," said Paul DeMennato, facility director at U.S. Repeating Arms. "A lot of marriages were people who met at Winchester."

U.S. Repeating Arms, which is owned by the Herstal Group, a Belgium company, has said for years that it was on the brink of closing the plant. The company said sales have fallen off steadily.

DeMennato said the company is negotiating the sale of its plant. The Winchester name is owned by Missouri-based Olin Corp., which had sold U.S. Repeating Arms the right to use the name until next year.

Olin had no immediate word on its plans for the Winchester name.

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Winchester Rifle Plant Prepares to Close
By MATT APUZZO , 01.17.2006, 04:37 PM

U.S. Repeating Arms Co. Inc. said Tuesday it will close its Winchester firearm factory, threatening the future of a rifle that was once called "The Gun that Won the West."

"It's part of who we are as a nation just like it's part of who we are as a city," Mayor John DeStefano said.

The announcement touched off a lobbying effort by city officials and union leaders who hoped to find a buyer for the plant before it closes March 31. If no buyer comes forward, it could spell the end for nearly all commercially produced Winchesters, said Everett Corey, a representative of the International Association of Machinists District 26.

"Winchester would be pretty much defunct," he said. "They're not going to produce them, other than a couple custom-type models."

The company has been plagued by slumping firearm sales. More than 19,000 people worked there during World War II, but the plant employs fewer than 200 now.

The Winchester model 1873 lever action rifle was popular among American frontiersmen at the end of the 19th century for its reliability. John Wayne made the Winchester rifle a signature of his movies and Chuck Connors posed menacingly with his Winchester on the poster for the television series "The Rifleman."

"Marlin made lever-action rifles but nobody ever had a Marlin in films or TV series. They were always Winchesters," said Ned Schwing, a firearms historian.

Perhaps the company's greatest unofficial spokesman was President Teddy Roosevelt, who used the 1895 model on his famous 1909 African safari, which historians credited with boosting the sale of Winchester sporting rifles.

Since the plant opened in 1866, tens of millions of Winchester rifles have been produced, the bulk of which came between the late 1800s and the end of World War II, said firearms historian R.L. Wilson, who has written books about Winchester. More than six million copies of the Winchester Model 94, the company's most popular rifle, have been produced.

"Several generations have worked at this place, a lot of fathers and brothers, sons, uncles and daughters," said Paul DeMennato, facility director at U.S. Repeating Arms.

U.S. Repeating Arms, which is owned by the Herstal Group, a Belgium company, has said for years that it was on the brink of closing the plant.

DeMennato said the company is negotiating the plant's sale. Missouri-based Olin Corp. owns the Winchester brand name. In the late 1970s, after a massive strike by its machinists, Olin sold the plant to U.S. Repeating Arms along with the right to use the Winchester name until next year.

Olin had no immediate word on its plans for the Winchester name. DeMennato said he hopes the name will be sold along with the plant. Nobody at Herstal's headquarters in Belgium could be reached Tuesday afternoon.
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Published Friday, November 13, 1998


With chants of "Show us the jobs or show us the money" and "Don't throw good money after bad" resonating through St. Peter's Hall, the group Elm City Congregations Organized (ECCO) held a meeting last night accusing the U.S. Repeating Arms Company (USRAC) of backing down from an agreement made with the city and state.

New Haven Mayor John DeStefano, Jr. was present to discuss the issue with a panel of ECCO members.

In exchange for a $20 million assistance package offered in 1992, the company agreed to employ a minimum of 400 workers at its Science Park factory. At least 35 percent of these 400 employees had to be New Haven residents.

As of Tuesday, the plant had 353 employees, 46 percent of whom were New Haven residents.

Consequently, ECCO members asked for either more jobs or the return of tax money.

But USRAC officials said they cannot afford to hire any more employees.

"If we hired enough people to make the 400 mark, we would lose $2 million a year. Demand for our product has dropped 100,000 units or 35 percent since the agreement was made," said Hardy Merrill, Controller of USRAC.

Begun by Oliver Winchester as the New Haven Arms Company in 1856, the company has had its share of financial difficulties, including two bankruptcies in a four-year period from 1987 to 1991.

ECCO members asked the mayor last night to refuse to give USRAC tax abatements because they are not meeting their obligations.

But the mayor said that only the state has already provided the USRAC with tax breaks. The city's package for tax abatements will not begin until 1999, and he does not plan make any decisions until then.

The city and company signed an agreement Tuesday night stating "the level of 400 full-time employees shall remain -- but as a target, not a requirement."

Members of ECCO said the amendment gives too many concessions to the business.

"This is really a dreadful agreement. So when he tells us about the new agreement, we tell him we liked the old one," ECCO member Rev. Lillian Daniel said.

But even the ECCO members agreed that the USRAC has not been successful enough to maintain their workforce.

ECCO member Ian Skoggard pointed at a timeline to document the company's history over the past 150 years.

"This chart shows a company not in the best health. If this were a medical chart, this patient would not be in good shape. Actually, it died on the operating table twice. The mayor should look for healthy companies for New Haven," Skoggard said.

Ownership of the company has changed several times since USRA purchased it in 1981. Former owners include the French government (GIAT) and the F.N. Herstal Group, a Belgian firm. The government of Wallonia, Belgium is the current owner after purchasing the F.N. Herstal Group last year for $303 million.

The French government kept the factory in New Haven after purchasing the USRAC in 1991 rather than relocating it to South Carolina because of the financial package offered by the City and State, according to a letter from Mayor John DeStefano addressed to members of the New Haven Community and Labor Coalition.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2006, 10:01:22 PM »
Are they going to be hecho'd in Mexico? :-D
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2006, 06:57:59 AM »
I PRAY TO GOD THIS REALLY ISN'T THE END :x ...... IF SO WE (AMERICANS) SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!!!!! THIS IS REALLY SAD,
SAD TO SAY IT BUT I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM MADE SOMEWHERE TO SEE THEM GONE ALL TOGETHER :cry:   wHY NOT THE GVOT STEP IN, THEY DID THE AIRLINES..   I KNOW I KNOW. BUT HELL THEY GIVE HUGE TAX BREAK TO CORP ALL THE TIME PUT IT INTO AN AMERICAN ICON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D  SHHIIII YOU KNOW...  WHY DO WE KEEP SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT..... :D
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2006, 10:15:19 PM »
Because we're so good at it!! :-D
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2006, 10:18:48 PM »
Because we're so good at it!! :-D
When seconds mean life or death, the police are only minutes away!

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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 03:08:50 AM »
It is pretty pathetic that members of the board get all weepy-eyed about a distant fourth-place gun maker closing its doors and putting a few hundred employees out of work, yet we think nothing about Ford and DC laying off over 50,000 workers over the next year!  I say if a company can't cut it in business, then let it go the way of the dodo.  That's the free enterpise system for you, a system which has worked very well for this nation.  USRA isn't the first gun company we've lost - dozens were dissolved in the early 20th century.  They were mourned by a few at the time, but today who remembers Bullard or Ballard or Standard?  Damn few.  

Yep, let's have the GOVERNMENT prop up yet another failed business with OUR TAX MONEY!  Great idea, maybe we can have Boris Yeltsin administer the program....

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 01:35:57 PM »
Whatever Lone Star, I guess from your opinion the hell with ford too..... way to go!
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2006, 11:54:23 PM »
There are reasons why America has businesses that are going out of business.  Lone Star is right in that the free enterprise system works and has worked well for a long time.  Unfortunately, the government has gotten all too used to bailing out big corportations.  They do it so that "the people don't get hurt".  I put that last phrase in quotations so as to express my sarcasim regarding that previous phrase.  In reality, the bailing out of these corporations leads to inflation (a loss of purchasing power) which leads to a drop in our standard of living.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2006, 07:20:42 AM »
Well, It's clear to me that the best manufactured products are often the ones that this sort of thing happens to. Seems that to make the best product available it costs a bit more. Yet the majority of Americans will buy cheaper gear over and over to save money( yeah right).

If anyone ever wants to invest in something check with me. If I seem to think it's best product going it will soon be bankrupt!

I own and use Wilderness Experience backpacking gear. From the very first time I saw it and the way it was made I knew I had to make that investment expensive as it may be. That was in the 80's and I still use that gear every summer and fall. Never had a failure or even a torn seam. They closed up shop in the late 80's.........too expensive to produce

I use only  Fin Nor Fishing reels today, They are without a doubt the high end of gear. Thay also closed up shop...........Too expensive to produce could not compete against the Okums and Zebco's of the world

I was using Cape Fear rods. Mnay believe they are the best fishing rod design off all time with their octagon shaped blanks. ...............Closed the doors this year. Way to ezpensive to compete with the Shimano's and other mass produced low cost products.

Now Winchester too................Don't invest in anything I like it's a curse on your money!
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2006, 12:32:23 PM »
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It is pretty pathetic that members of the board get all weepy-eyed about a distant fourth-place gun maker closing its doors and putting a few hundred employees out of work, yet we think nothing about Ford and DC laying off over 50,000 workers


What are you talking about Lone Star? I thought about it. Now I'm moving on. Oh by the way, you forgot to mention "Newton" and "Winslow".
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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2006, 02:31:52 PM »
Has any new news came out? :D
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