R. Tillery: when you say 'Pack Rifle', what barrel length are you talking about? I have an older Saddle Ring Carbine with a 20" barrel (I believe) - is this what you are referencing?? If so, I love it - easy to carry and shoulder, accurate to beyound a good sight picture, stuff 6 in the tube and one in the chamber and you can go all week. Mikey.