Author Topic: CZ accuracy compared to Kimber and Anschutz (Read 6019 times)

lilabner · « **on:** March 15, 2003, 08:09:34 AM »

I've heard the CZs are very accurate for a sporting rifle. Does anyone know how they compare with the Kimber and Anschutz for accuracy? They are considerably less expensive.

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2003, 12:00:24 PM »

I have never shot any of the rifles you mention but I have heard the cz's shoot great. I will not knock my romainian 69 either take a look at the post I posted titled range report wolf match target 22 (Pic) and see what my 69.00 romainian can do at 25 yards using the russian target ammo. This ammo is great shoots better than the federal target out of the gun. Jim

stuporman · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2003, 05:32:13 PM »

Asking that comparison is like asking:

Dodge Viper vs. Porche 911 turbo

They are both fine, accurate rifles out of the box.
One is no frills, down and dirty...the other graceful and elegant.

Moral of the story...
the last 10% of accuracy costs more than the first 90%.

i.e.
The CZ is prob 90% as accurate as the Anschutz, with a little work...
Already the rifle is more accurate than I am!

But you gotta lay down some serious cheese to get that tack driving predictability at 100 yards.

Just a thought...CZ is a fine rifle, and wont bust your budget.
Just get a trigger job, and shorten the barrel to about 16" to 18", with a crowned, recessed muzzle.

two bits
:shock:

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2003, 12:04:53 PM »

I own the CZ452 and would say it is as accurate as the Anshutz. My trigger was fine but i did float the barrel. I have found that my CZ will group just as well as my friends Anchutz. I dont know anything or never heard of the Kimba though.

Questor · « **Reply #4 on:** March 17, 2003, 03:43:45 AM »

I've seen the benchrest results and the CZs are consistently as the best of the factory guns, including Anschutz. The only thing you get with the Anschutz is slightly better cosmetics. CZs do not need trigger jobs out of the box. They are consistently good, and if there's a little too much creep, there are instructions in the manual for adjusting the trigger.

Questor · « **Reply #5 on:** March 17, 2003, 03:46:56 AM »

P.S. My groups with the CZ Lux are about 3/4" at 100 yards with Federal 711B ammo modified with the Hanned SGB tool. I'd settle for less than that, considering that that kind of accuracy in a sporting .22 is pretty much useless.

stuporman · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2003, 01:19:50 PM »

Hey,

Another person who uses the flat noser.
What do you use it for, and was it worth the $40?

I have read the review on here, but that is only one opinion.

Thanks,
:shock:

stuporman · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2003, 03:03:26 PM »

The Dodge Viper can actually outrun the Porsche 911 in some scenarios.

I did not mean to say the CZ was not as accurate as the Anschutz...just not as "graceful" in its delivery.

The CZ is a very plain looking bolt action. The Anschutz has "wow" factor. I guess you could jazz up the CZ, but I have not seen too many mods. Then again, I havent looked.

I prob would like one, just not right after I bought my Ruger.

:shock:

Questor · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2003, 06:37:23 AM »

Stuporman,

The SGB tool was worth fooling around with, but I don't have any further applications for it. My desire on purchasing it was to make hunting ammo from standard velocity target ammo. This did not work. The ammo shoots a hole into the squirrels, the wounds bleed profusely, but the animals run and often escape. In fact, my .177 air rifle is much more effective on squirrels than these SGB bullets. I've returned to using factory high velocity hollow point ammo. I also tried the SGBs on prairie dogs. They run off wounded and die in their holes.

I regularly have people come up and admire the looks of my CZ Lux. It's not an Anschutz, but at any distance greater than about three feet, it's hard to tell. The CZ also gives you that feeling of thrift, especially considering performance is identical to the Anschutz. One of the silhouette shooters around here sold his Anschutz and got a CZ because he likes it better. I'd have bought an Anschutz myself, but it didn't seem worth it.

stuporman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2003, 05:57:36 PM »

I was just about to get a SGB tool, I am thankful I did not.

I thought the Anschutz had that cool stock with the adjustable butt and stuff.

All the pics I have seen of them look cooler than the stock CZ I saw at the gun store.

Thanks!

Dave-o · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2003, 03:05:09 AM »

Did you notice nobody mentioned Kimber? Kimbers are sort of like trophy wives, great to show off and fondle- but lacking in functionality. Too many mxed reviews concerning accuracy for a high end firearm. With Anshutz you get what you pay for and with CZ you get a hell of a bargain.

southernshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2003, 03:27:27 PM »

What is the story with guns in Aussie land? Can you have rifles, shotguns? Only handguns banned or everthing?

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2003, 08:41:13 PM »

We can have Bolt Action and Lever action Rifles but Semi-Auto,Pump Action rifles are Banned unless you are a primary producer with a certain class of licence . They are trying to take semi Auto Handguns away at the moment.

stuporman · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2003, 09:24:24 PM »

Is crime that bad in Australia?

Youve got alot of wilderness down there...you wont catch me traipsing around the outback with nothing less than a semi auto .303 and maybe a hot loaded .40 auto pistol.

Then again, never been to Australia...and if they are such jerks about gun ownership...I never will.

:shock:

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2003, 01:11:41 AM »

We had a guy that killed 35 people with an AR15 back in 1996. This is why they changed the laws. I dont have a problem with that side of it. I dont see any reason to own Guns like the Ar15 or SKS type weapons. More an Ego thing i reckon. I would rather use skill to hunt than max firepower. Same thing with the Semi-auto Handguns. Crime is not bad here but when assholes take them to school and kill other kids, there's a problem.

Dogshooter · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2003, 01:11:05 AM »

Weatherby,
The opinion you expressed about no need for the AR types of weapon was probably held by of lot of your countrymen and that is EXACTLY why you lost so many of your gun rights. The anti's look for chinks in the armor of the RKBA community and chip away at them till they finally get what they want. DISARMAMENT. I think if we ALL backed EVERYONE's right to own ANY weapon they chose, we would be a stronger force and have fewer stupid laws on the books. And then if we could just get the courts to severely punish criminals, guns would no longer be a problem.

eroyd · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2003, 06:36:53 PM »

I own a BRNO Lux and a CZ American. They're both very accurate once you've figured out there ammo preference. I have tried most of the readily available stuff from ultra-cheapo bulk to Lapua and Eley and my pocket book is glad to note that the Lux shoots within a dime at 50 with Win T22 and the American ldoes the same American Eagle.

Mechanically the only weak spot in the CZ's are the triggers. They can only be made to be so good and the difference is quite obvious on a side by side comparison with an Anchutz or a Walther. But the CZ is only a third or less the price.

Cosmetically, you get what you pay for.

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 15, 2003, 12:14:32 AM »

Are all the stocks on your CZ's the American type? I found the look to be rather boring. We only can get the European stock here, i prefer this stock over the American style anyway and it closely matches the Anshutz looks also.

eroyd · « **Reply #18 on:** April 15, 2003, 10:30:40 AM »

My CZ (BRNO) Lux has a really nice Schnabel style stock (walnut I think) with an interesting grain pattern. I've received comments on it. The butt drops low, I guess to accomodate usage of the provided iron sights, but it fits me fine when I use a scope.

The "CZ American" has a plainer looking walnut stock and I don't think the checkering is all that great. Nice thing about the American is that the receiver and the barrel are both polished. The receiver on the Lux is matte.

I don't know why, but the last few inches of the my lux's barrel are unrifled and apparently a different piece. I guess thats to creat a long sight radius. A little cheasy. I won't complain on how the rifle shoots though!

Questor · « **Reply #19 on:** April 15, 2003, 04:38:09 PM »

The unrifled section is to facilitate the use of a suppressor, as is common practice in Europe.

Washita · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2003, 09:10:36 AM »

Weatherby223: With all due respect, I sure hope your attitude doesn't catch on here. Just as soon as American gun owners adopt the "we don't need YOUR kind of gun here" outlook, our gun rights will go down the tube just as yours pretty much already have. Fortunately, most American gun owners still respect and stand up for the rights of their fellow shooter, even when the other guy's gun isn't one they'd choose themselves.

There's nothing inherently evil about AR15's or SKS's. Lots of people use them for target shooting, hunting, plinking, home defense and other legitimate purposes. The use of weapons of this type in crime is considerably less than 1% of total gun crime in the U.S., according to FBI statistics.

Be sure of one thing: a single shot shotgun can kill you just as dead as a machine gun. And don't think for a minute that you can't commit mass murder with a bolt action rifle, either. I have yet to see a firearm jump up out of the gun safe, load itself and charge out in the street blazing away at everybody in sight - not even an AR 15.

Regards...Wash

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 08, 2003, 01:06:45 AM »

I dont have a problem with these (sks etc) types of weapons if they are used for a legitimate reasons over in your country. I dont see a purpose to use them here. American's have the right to have arms as your constitution states, we do not have anything saying we have any rights over here on the matter. I know its a touchy subject and if i pissed some people off thats not what i set out to do. Our Laws are a bit hard but i would rather it be hard than too soft. In my country In order to obtain a firearm you must have the proper Firearms licence and have a police background check done to make sure you are responsible enough to own a firearm. this takes about a month and then you have to register the firearm and have it always locked in a safe at home. We do not have the right to use a firearm for defence here in Australia. I dont really agree with this though. In my house i would use whatever means i had to protect my family so the goverment can kiss it on this one! I know that all types of firearms can kill but some can kill more and alot quicker..
Mick.

Washita · « **Reply #22 on:** May 08, 2003, 11:55:22 AM »

Weatherby 223: You say "Our Laws are a bit hard but i would rather it be hard than too soft." I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Do you mean you favor fewer rights over more, less freedom rather than more or what? I'm pretty sure you don't really mean that, but if you think about it, it's implicit in your statement.

Then you say "We do not have the right to use a firearm for defence here in Australia. I dont really agree with this though. In my house i would use whatever means i had to protect my family so the goverment can kiss it on this one!" I'm sure with you on this one, except (thankfully!) we in the U.S. still have the right to protect ourselves with whatever force is necessary. It's a good thing, too, because our courts have ruled repeatedly that the police are not obligated to protect individuals.

It seems to me that you folks (and the Brits, who also have no right to use firearms in self defense) have provided a near-perfect system for the physically strong to terrify and brutalize the physically weak. I can't imagine living under a system that deliberately protects criminals at the expense of the innocent. I think you need a Bill of Rights, to include a right to bear arms and to self-defense. But what the heck - it's your country and your decision. I'm just glad we have the right here, and will do everything I can to make sure we keep it. And if the guy across the street wants to keep an AR15 to defend home & family, that's just fine with me.

Happy Shooting - Wash

Weatherby223 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 08, 2003, 04:12:22 PM »

I'll explain.My wife is American. I met her in Georgia in 1998 and i was in America until 99. Her cousin is 16 and he has a SkS!! He is no way mature enough to own such a gun!! He also has a Ruger Blackhawk 357!! I dont know if he has obtained them the right way but i was shocked that he could have them type of Firearms in his house!!I was surprised to find how easy it was to obtain a gun and that you could buy a Gun in SOME states with just a drivers licence. I find this crazy! No wonder you have the problem with firearms you do! In Australia, if you have done nothing too bad against the law you will have nothing to worry about. The goverment have emended the law now. I just looked it up. We do now have the right to defend ourselves in our home. I agree with this law. We lost the right to have Semi-Auto's and Pump style rifle because of their rate of fire. The goverment believe that if you walk into a crowded place with one such rifle you could cause more damage in a shorter amount of time. Stands to reason i guess. We could argue for weeks about this matter but we dont have to agree. I respect your way of thinking and in the USA it may be the right way but i dont think it should apply to Australia.

Mick..

Washita · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2003, 05:47:39 PM »

Weatherby223: I guess you're right. There's no reason to pursue this discussion any further, since it's apparent we'll never agree.

I'm glad to hear that you now have the right to self defense. Congratulations. Of course, it goes without saying that any government that can so easily take the right away from you, then give it back, can just as easily take it away again when the political winds blow the other way. Preventing that is why I believe it's so important to have a national document that recognizes our innate, God-given rights. Especially the one that guarantees the others, the right to keep & bear arms.

First, of course, you need a government that trusts it's citizens enough to have the kind of guns that've been taken away from you. But what the heck - they haven't got 'em all, right? Not yet, anyway. Not like in the UK......

Dogshooter · « **Reply #25 on:** May 09, 2003, 03:36:33 PM »

I guess if you has never had the freedoms we have in this country, you would not miss them. I have friends that live in more restrictive areas in this country that are perfectly happy having to go stand in front of their local peace officers and explain why they want a handgun. As for me, I am used to getting any gun I want(or should I say any gun I can afford), when I want it, and not having to ask for anyone's permission. When I hear the hoops some guys have to jump thru to get a new gun, I just get PO'd. And then when someone says that "no-one needs this or that kind of gun" it just make me wonder how long it will be before enough people say "no-one needs any guns". Guys, if we don't defend ALL of our rights, we'll start loosing them, one at a time.

keppler · « **Reply #26 on:** May 09, 2003, 05:33:06 PM »

I own 2 of each, a Kimber Classic and a Kimber H/S. I also own a CZ Varmint model and a trainer. While the CZ'S are great shooting guns, they dont shoot near as good as the Kimbers. I dont really measure groups when me and my wife go shooting but they would be something like the CZ's shooting 1/2"- 3/4" groups while the kimbers will shoot from 1/4" to 1/2" groups at 50 yards. I really like the CZ's though but no....they are not a Kimber. The triggers on the Kimber are just unbeleivable. And since I put Brookies trigger kits in the CZ's they are pretty good too. I hope to try the new scope mounts on the varmint model this weekend and hopefully that will improve the groups some. If I was going to do it again and could afford it I think I would get a Cooper just to see how they shoot.

chunter · « **Reply #27 on:** June 22, 2003, 10:19:59 AM »

I have used all three of the rifles mentioned in the forum.

My first rifle was a Kimber. It had looks that could kill and shot groups under 3/4 inch at 100 meters. However, it sucked. It broke down on me seven times before Kimber finally just took it back, the worst break down was at the '97 National Smallbore Silhouette Championships. That was the same match that Lones Wigger was using a cleaning rod to eject the shells out of his Kimber due to malfunctions. That was about 5 1/2 years ago, I have many friends that shoot sihouette using the new Kimbers and are saying that they have come along ways since Kimber moved to Yonkers.

My second rifle is a Model 1712 FWT Anschutzs with the blue graphite stock. It is extremely accurate and will shoot 3/4 groups at 100 meters without breaking a sweat. I love it; however, it wasn't cheap. I had to work all summer just to be able to afford it. Let alone just buying extra clips they run for about $40.00 a clip.

I have also had the chance to play with a the CZ sporter rifle and was highly impressed. I have a 12 year old cousin who wanted to get into smallbore silhouette. After much debating his father bought the CZ 452 silhouette model (around $275). The gun shoots groups under 1 inch with Wolf ammo at 100 meters and feels great. If I had to do it all over again I would probably would have started out with this rifle and then worked up. I just got done with a smallbore match where one of the shooters shot a 31/40 with the gun. It is very comparable to an Anschutz and is a lot easier on the pocketbook.

Happy shooting

vmaxx · « **Reply #28 on:** July 09, 2003, 07:07:52 AM »

I looked in my cz owners manual and it is only ajustable for weigh of pull not for trigger creep. I went as far as to email cz about the trigger and they stated that the trigger is adjustable for weight of pull only.

eroyd · « **Reply #29 on:** July 09, 2003, 11:02:54 AM »

I got a gunsmith to work on both my CZ's. One trigger is darn near creepless and breaks at just over 2lbs, the other he couldn't get rid of all the creep. Apparently not all the triggers are the same.

There is a really cheap CZ trigger kit I've ordered that I've heard nothing but praise about in the CZ forum. check it out

http://ebrooks77.50megs.com/