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Offline Fred M

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« on: January 26, 2006, 11:46:08 AM »
Just added up the cost of the 6x47 compared to a Savage Varmint target 12VLP both with the same 4200 Elete 6x24 scope which I now put on the 6x47. Al the prises include the 7% Can tax where applicable.

6x47

Basic 223 Ultra Handi   $385
Rebore                        $250
Checkering, draw file
and blu octagon barrel $150
Two trips car gas        $60
Scope                        $590
Total                     $1435 unproven accuracy?

Savage 2VLP. Varmint, Lam stock, 26" fluted SS barrel
Accu triger, left or right hand, 223, 204, 22-250


Rifle                            $877
Same scope as above $590
Total                       $1467  Proven accuracy.

The Savage is one of their most expensive models.
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2006, 11:52:59 AM »
Yeahbut, the octagon barreled Ultras with custom stocks are kool, anyone can have a savage!! Same reason I spent $600 on a .338-06 Ultra and the same for a .405 Winchester Target, not just anyone has one of those!! :wink: I guess the moral of the story is it costs money to be different!!! 8)

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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2006, 11:57:10 AM »
The handi no question , right now you have a one of a kind rifle and something to be proud of , not one that anyone can buy of the shelf .

Even if it shot like a shotgun it still would be a one of a kind .  :wink:
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2006, 12:08:15 PM »
Savage...................I have`13 Handi's

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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2006, 12:59:05 PM »
Well I am not begrudging the money or I would not have spend it. The philosophy is perhaps the same as spending money on a Model T- Ford to up grade it. In many ways I thought is was a waste.

This applies to the Handi platform, but I hear other voices that that contradict my own. When you put dollars against it it sort of put things in perspective. It is sort of hard to evaluate the real value.

Yes they are  of a kind but it is easy for others to do the same thing. I do however like very much the way these two rifles handle with so much ease and no fuzz.

Of course the same goes for an out of the box Handi also.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2006, 02:39:58 PM »
I guess it depends on context and what you "need".  I "need" the savage but just for PD's.  The handi does just fine for coyotes, a buddy has a lower end savage but probaly just as heavy, you should hear him whine when the hike in is more than 1/2 mile, and he is in good shape.

And I guess part of the fun with the build up is just that doing the build up. It's not the cheapest entertainment in the world but you do end up with something at the end.  

I have a question for the guys who have done customs before, from a money / re-sale are any of them worth it, i'd bet not always. But as a possession to be owned/used I would guess most always.
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 03:24:35 PM »
Fred,I've really got the fever for one of those new CZ's. The action's are really slick,and a lot of the guy's say they really shoot good. And best of all they have a ajustable trigger with a set feature thats really nice. Digger
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2006, 03:24:38 PM »
aulrich,
A custom anything is hard to put a price on. The Handi probably isn't much different than anything else you customize in that respect. I remember a fella years ago that had a Ford Pinto, he took out the front engine and drive train, then installed a Cadilac Eldorado engine and drive train in the rear of the Pinto. It cost him a lot of time and money, and most people thought all he had for it, was a white elephant. Now to him it was a dream come true. I guess you have to look at any custom that way. The price, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. If it's your money, your dream, and it makes you happy, well what else is money for? If your doing it with resale value in mind, your just building  somebody elses dream.
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2006, 03:40:25 PM »
Kind of like the old hotrodders adage: How fast you wanna go? How much money you got? :D
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2006, 04:16:27 PM »
I'd take the Handi for sure..

Anyone with cash can buy a nice piece from a manufacturer.  But it takes talent and skill to craft a Handi into a custom job like your couple octogon barreled rifles.   To me the Handi is worth more.  I have disliking of bolt guns, whether they cost $200 or $20000, they are all the same to me.

Give me a break-open, revolving, lever or falling block action any day..  ...everyone else can have all the bolt and semiauto's.


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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2006, 04:20:51 PM »
For that kind of money one word comes to mind, Savage.   :-)   If you had to resale would be much better I would think.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2006, 06:57:28 PM »
You would be really surprised what a accurate custom Handi is worth to some folks..just to give you an idea..not quite as custom as my 338-06 and soon to be 222 or 26" 270...but just for my bull barreled 308 with the steel trigger gaurd and forearm spacer and laminated stocks..and proven accuracy...I got $325 cash and a 85%Marlin 30-30 lever for it..this was  to the right person..and I have already been offered a-lot more for my 338-06 more than  enough to make a nice profit...and I have no plans of ever selling it....You just have to find the right person who wants it...Is it worth it to me...I think so..but..I also agree with Fred.. looking at it strickly from a money stand point it's hard to justify it....I won't send a unproven barrel in to be rebored..I have to shoot it first and get good consistant accuracy from it.... I'll be buying another 25-06 barrel this year to have Wayne redo after my 270 is completed..this one will be a thumper....at-least according to Wayne it will be....

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2006, 06:14:53 PM »
Mac.
When you remove the price of the scope $845 does not look all that bad for a custom Handi.

Where you are you seam to be able to sell custom used Handi rifles or plain ones for that matter.

Not so in Canada. With all the bad mouthing going on in stores and elsewhere used Handi's are hard to sell from what I have seen.

I tried to sell the 223 bull barel avertized all over, no sale. Then I tried to sell the complete 223Ultra with scope never even got a call or an offer.

I really had not planned on getting into another rebore job after all the work on the 257 roberts and the shock when it quit shooting. I  am not sorry I did the two, but kept forever wondering what in heck I was doing when not a day goes by without another quirk.

So you just pick up the Ruger#1 and do some quality shooting. As you can see the doodled up Handi is aweful close to a Ruger # 1 in cost.

I am waiting for another nice day to shoot the 6x47. This time I am having fire in the hole.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2006, 03:34:04 AM »
Fred'

i hope what i say below sounds reasonable.    it may provide an alternative to your customizing by way of re-boring.  

my suggestion, since i am a bolt action fan more than a Handi' fan when it comes to calibers over .223, is to buy a Remington Model 700 VLS if you want accuracy, enough weight (9+lbs) to Easily handle recoil, and a reasonable choice of calibers.   you'll get a laminated stock, a heavy 26" barrel, an adjustable trigger, and calibers that will do long-range varmint, deer, and elk duty.   i see it as a rifle you won't have to customize, because of its excellent accuracy reputation.   it is a Great platform to build on; but there really isn't much needed unless you get into very stiff competition.    

as you know, you won't get the light-weight utility and portability that we get with a Handi'.    you'll never find a better, more portable rifle for under $300, in my opinion, than a Handi'.  

by the way, i say long-range elk capability -- since the rifle only goes up to .308 caliber -- because of the use of handloads, high-energy factory loads, and its long barrel.   i figure that reloader 15 would move a 165 gr' bullet out of a decent 26" barrel at over 2825 fps with no pressure problems whatsoever.    

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« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2006, 03:42:46 AM »
fred the finished 6-47  in my opinion is as good as it gets who cares wot it cost  the guns is your creation and an exelant one at that. if i could aford it i would  get a custom forend and but made for my buff classic  add 3/4 inch to the but, and use a cresant but plate i have of a pedersoli tryon rifle  and have a puter cap on the forend, all made from top grade english fancy walnut  with cut chekering
that would look good.  
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« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2006, 06:43:52 AM »
I know what your saying Fred...what sells good here..may not sell good there..some rifles that should sell for a-lot...don't even interest some folks..that's why I said..you got to find the right person who wants it..and that isn't always easy...but..it is a lot easier if it's a good shooter.

As to buying a Ruger #1..I gave that some consideration over reboring..but for me..justifying spending $800 on the new Ruger's I was looking at as compared to spending $350 on converting a barrel I already have on a frame doesn't make any sense to me..especially a deer hunting caliber that maybe will see 300-500 rounds the first year and many less there after..I can see what you mean in having to buy a complete rifle and then reboring it and doing all of the custom work on it as you have done too..it adds up real quick..

I guess it all boils down to what a person really wants and what they are starting out with..and what they are planning to do with the rifle in the future..me..I really like having unique Handi rifles...and the fact that they are single shots makes it more enjoyable for me,also I have no intentions of selling off any of the those I have had redone..I do like good bolt guns as well...and good lever guns too..but I have a soft spot for singles..they may not be a fancy as a Dakota or Merkel or Ruger...but in the end they are just as accurate as they are..with out the up-front initial cost..granted some sweat equity has to go into it..but..that ok...my time and effort isn't draining the bank account in such large amounts all at once...and that makes my lovely wife happy as well :lol:

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« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2006, 09:03:43 AM »
Fred,
I just read about your .257 conversion,(couldnt acces the 6x57 page, its just the code text?)and that is one cool gun! Price isnt a concern if you are the one who is doing it, I say go for it. I mean how is anyone going to come up with new stuff if we just stick with the same old same old? I like to tinker and make/ improve things, and many people ask "what is the point"? There doesnt have to be a point I tell them, it just keeps me occupied.(like 2 kids and a wife isnt enough? :) ) Nice stock work on  the .257, by the way.  :agree:

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« Reply #17 on: January 28, 2006, 09:30:28 AM »
CPJ
Try this one, I had all sorts of trouble with my web site since I got that new MS XP operating system. I am slowly get it sorted out.

http://www.angelfire.com/ma/ZERMEL/6x47.htmlml
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2006, 09:50:17 AM »
Fred,
I got it to work by using MS ie, it wouldnt work when i was using firefox though. Cool rifle, non the less! What machine did  you use to make the octogon barrel?