I love my hornet. I have the std handi w/ the williams sight. Only fired about 150 rounds through her so far. I just measured a 4 "' 5 shot group 100y. I know thats not moa...but its iron sights and it will do what I want, which is varmint, vermin and plinkin. They are really neat and well balanced like all nef's. A little expensive to shoot considering how addictive they are, so Ive got dies on order from Cabelas...kinda a must reload.