Author Topic: Any new news's with Winchester??? (Read 7613 times)

msorenso · « **on:** January 29, 2006, 04:47:17 AM »

please comment!

Curly · « **Reply #1 on:** January 29, 2006, 12:12:51 PM »

Called last week to see if I would be able to get the rifle I ordered from the custom shop back in December. The usual recording from the customer service rep was replaced with the following message. "Due to heavy call volume we will no longer be able return calls. The Custom Shop will be closing on March 31st. Any rifles completed by March 29th will be test fired, and shipped. All others will be considered a cancelled order, and refunds will be mailed within 2-3 weeks. Doesn't look good!

Cookiemann · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2006, 02:56:21 PM »

THAT SUCKS!! Sorry, just slipped out. I was at Gander this afternoon and they were nearly stripped bare of any Winnies. Even the used stuff that had been on the racks for months was gone.

I did notice a couple of 'octagon barreled models' and the strangest thing...NOT...under all the info stamped on the barrel they had another line that was stamped "Japan/...." couldn't read the second word.

Congrats to all you guys fortunate enough to have available cash to get one of the last ones made.

A sad, sad thing...just hope Olin Corp. pulls the plug on the name.

Cookieman

Cecil · « **Reply #3 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:19:39 AM »

i think the word after Japan is miroku

IowaBuckHunter · « **Reply #4 on:** January 31, 2006, 03:51:43 PM »

There will still be plenty of winchesters available. Winchester has a HUGE stockpile of guns in their factory still waiting to be sent out. and as far as all of the gun dealers being out of winchesters is becuase they are all in the back rooms waiting for the prices to go up. They will tell you they are out, but they are not. i got a hot tip. they will be available in a couple months, but with a much higher price

msorenso · « **Reply #5 on:** January 31, 2006, 04:03:13 PM »

Not that I know a thing, just my opinion
do you think they wil make the 94, 70 in another country??? I guess at the moment I can't see them coming back.. Or i guess i am so scared that they will not ever come back! I really have no idea.. But i do know one thing, thiings seem really tight lipped and no one seems to know much past the 70, 94 and 1300 are done or are they? I hope someone know more than me!

giturgun · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2006, 12:07:52 PM »

It's really a strange thing to me . I really would like to know how many there are that wouldn't buY one when winchester was really made here that will trot off and grab up one of the jap junkers and gleefully brag about it . Mine is a 1975 94 classic in 30-30 bought it new in 75 and it looks better than most of that vintage. But will I step out and buy one now NOPE THEY AIN'T MADE HERE

msorenso · « **Reply #7 on:** February 07, 2006, 02:29:17 AM »

Maybe I am misunderstading you but I think all the 94's are made here...I take it you mean if they were to be made overseas??? Whe I check with winchester they said to me that they would not be made anywhere else.... Not to say that couldn't change... i think with the guys around here if they did buy one would keep it to themselves....If I really had no luck finding what I wanted ( because I feel the same as you) I think I would have to overlook the made in -------... But with sales over the net I don't think I will have to resort to that...

crash87 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2006, 03:59:37 AM »

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pissed, plain and simple. Winchester is done, but yet the Japan made '85, '95, shotguns, etal are still there. Japan Brownings are still there, there new belguim junk auto rifle is still there. Yet the American made Winchesters are gone. See the picture forming. You can talk union busting, lack of sales, high price of quality, etc. But Have you priced the Brownings lately? When...... I look at them,( I normally dont give them a passing glance) I cant imagine why American gunowners even consider buying them. The price is way out of line with the product and there no better than the rest.
Have you noticed the trend, in the so called, guns & hunting magazines. I guess another reason to pull the plug is so they can free up more $$$ to give these writers more brownings and ammo and plane tickets to very expensive far off lands, to push the product that makes these greedy foriegners more $$$. If the m70 is gone, (I fortunatly have the gammut covered), I will be looking at at the CZ line. Yes Czech made, but they have everything the 70 has. Less greedy corperate &^*&%$#'s. As far as levers are concerned, Marlin, Marlin, and Marlin. Olin, when the lease for the name is up, should tell them to #*^# themselves and that should take care of that. I also dont believe Winchester owners should be without ther product because of THEIR other financial mistake, the Short Mag. I'm sorry if I've upset anybody, but iI just needed to vent. " LET THE PRICE GOUGING BEGIN" CRASH87

poncaguy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2006, 04:44:57 AM »

I'll stick with Savage/Stevens and Rugers..............and keep my Super Shadow 270 WSM that is my favorite long range deer bolt rifle......

Mac11700 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2006, 11:00:34 AM »

Well...the price gouging in my area has already begun..I just got home from my local gun dealer..he has had 2 $70.00 price increases in the last 2 weeks..and has distibuters calling him to see what he has in stock and getting from him..so the supply of them are diminishing rapidly..at-least around here....I put his last 308 Stainless Feather lite Classic in law-a-way..beautiful gun..burled walnut and all....just so I can have one.It's also the first feather weight one I've ever owned....He normally has around 50 of them but is down to 1/2 that amount now...and no plans on getting more...I count myself very lucky on this..because I saw at-least 5 go out the door while in his store shopping..

Mac

Rogmatt · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2006, 01:59:30 AM »

The word from a distributor is that Taurus is working on something to get the 70 & 94.

msorenso · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2006, 06:57:09 AM »

Where are they made again?

Curly · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2006, 07:10:51 AM »

Just went to the Winchester site. No header for the Model 70. Looks like they are winding down. Still no confirmation from the Custom Shop on the production of my rifle. Guess I will have to wait until April.

msorenso · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2006, 02:58:39 AM »

On another site someone pu that Taurus was looking at the model 94 & 70.. Who knows could be just bad info

msorenso · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2006, 03:03:45 AM »

Ignore my last post, too many of these I post on.... Noticed there is a new bolt 22 rifle

HuntingGuy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2006, 05:12:53 PM »

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On another site someone pu that Taurus was looking at the model 94 & 70

might have to pack my bags and move to Canada if that happens :-D Taurus, stuck with such nice rifles.. Wonder if they would know where to start :twisted:

grizzy57 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2006, 10:08:03 PM »

I heard the FRENCH were going to have a hand in this?

grizzy57

msorenso · « **Reply #18 on:** February 18, 2006, 02:17:52 AM »

AS IN???

mr.frosty · « **Reply #19 on:** February 22, 2006, 12:45:06 PM »

I heard that Howa going to buy Winchester.
Don't know for sure got that from some gunnuts from where I work.

Cecil · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2006, 06:23:43 AM »

Read where F.N canot build model 70's or 94' any where till after union contract run's out in 2008. aka American hunter mag.

white feather · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2006, 08:43:43 AM »

Graybeard · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2006, 12:18:22 PM »

I find it nearly impossible to believe there is any truth to that rumor. First up the company closing doors is a RIFLE company. NOT an ammo company. The Winchester AMMO company is a totally separate company and they not the rifle company make ammo and thus would be the ones sued if that were true. Also if it were true it would have to include Browning as well since they chamber the exact same rounds as Winchester RIFLE company does/did.

So which rounds did the rumor say it affected? The WSM or WSSM? Or something else? I'm not aware of any other new rounds chambered by Winchester or Browning of late other than those. And every other manufacturer out there even Remington is chambering them so the suit would have to affect ALL of them not just Winchester.

Nope I'd say that rumor is as full of holes as swiss cheese.

dukkillr · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2006, 04:49:14 PM »

not to mention that the guy that made whitefeather so mad could actually have been a patent holder. i agree GB, this doesn't sound right to me. I suspect years of tough competition and making an inferior product coupled with pre-64 expectations did them in.

white feather · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2006, 05:49:20 AM »

Have you not heard that Rick Jamason sued Winchester over patient rights and won, have you not heard he no longer works for Shooting Times, there is a lot of truith about what im saying, do a search for yourself and see, i coopied this from another sight that has info on it.

Gun writer Rick Jamison went and patented a short mag case (5,826,361 /6,675,717/ 6,678,983).

Then there was a patent infringment lawsuit involving Winchester and Browning over the WSM, which he claimed was a replica of his patented short mag.

Winchester and Browning have settled the suit, the details are sealed. In essence, the challenge by these two manufacturers has ended. Jamison has full patent rights to this case. Anyone manufacturing guns, brass, ammo, etc in the WSM case are responsible to contact Jamison for approval before using. The royality would be determined by Jamison.

http://www.shortmags.org/shortmags/snitzforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6776

brasskeeper · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2006, 07:34:45 AM »

white feather, thanks for the information. I usually check that forum on a regular basis but somehow I missed this topic. That guy named "ballistic" seems to be very knowledgable on the subject.

Feldhege · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2006, 08:11:02 AM »

I am no expert but I believe what Graybeard was trying to say was that if the lawsuit with "Winchester" was over a new cartridge design, the problem would be with the company that is producing the AMMO under the winchester name. They are different then the company that is producing the GUNS under the winchester name. I also agree if it was a problem with the gun manufacturer then there are quite a few who would have been involved.

dukkillr · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2006, 09:58:45 AM »

is it that you don't like the patent system? I'm confused. Why be mad at the guy who wanted to protect his IP? If you'd come up with the next hot thing, and spent the time and money to patent it, wouldn't you sue someone who took your idea?

white feather · « **Reply #28 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:08:02 AM »

Gentlemen

The problem i have with all of this is, its Americans putting Americans out of work, ok lets say that the patent thing is right, so why sue for so much money you put a company out of buisness, why not just say hay you marketed my idea and i want a piece of the action, your set for life and so are your kids and grandkids, dont get greedy.

What are the employes at Winchester going to do now, some have been there for 40 years and close to retirement, so now what, be a Wallmart greeter till you can retire.

For those of you that dont know Winchester was comeing out with some really nice rifles in the future, like the take down model 94, among other things, what do you want to bet that the WSM is going to die on the vine, and ill bet that Remington will drop the WSM from there product line real soon.

I just got a e/mail from a gun writer friend who told me that nobody wants Rick now, and gun writers make a liveing by takeing products that companys send to them to try out and write up articles on.

I have met Rick at the Shot Show, seems like a really nice guy, cant believe he would stoop so low to fill his pockets, ok ill get off my soap box now, just makes me sick to see another company going down the toobs because of greed, WF

alsatian · « **Reply #29 on:** February 24, 2006, 10:15:14 AM »

I agree, if the guy has a patent, the various companies should respect that patent. It is the law and it is not a new law. Thomas Jefferson initiated our patent system. Typically, those who sell products using the patent pay a reasonable royalty to the patent holder, unless they want to play hardball (or "chicken" or "act like a kamikazi") then they refuse to pay royalties and the patent holder has to take them to court to obtain their value from the patent. Like or not, this is the system we live in and have lived in for longer than we have been breathing. There are good benefits of the patent system and chaos would reign if the system were abolished. Some people talk from time to time about revising the system dramatically, but so far these changes have been more troublesome than the supposed problems with the patent system they are designed to fix.

Someone suggested the patent on short magnum cartridge would not affect firearms manufacturers. It depends on what the patent claims. As a patent professional, I would not only have claimed the short magnum cartridge but the firearms chambered to utilize the short magnum cartridge -- no brainer.

As far as being greedy, I don't know if I would hold the patent holder guilty for this. As a private individual he probably hired the litigation firm on a contingency basis. These patent infringement suits typically cost $5 M and upwards. The law firm is going to make more money with a bigger award, so once litigation started it was a death struggle. The accused infringers took their risks when they refused to pay reasonable royalties. Heck, maybe the patent holder would have been happy to get a decent cut of the action but the big companies weren't willing to pay ANYTHING. This would be my expectation, simply refuse to pay a cent. It is like RIM which produces the Blackberry. They had their chances early on to make a reasonable settlement, they didn't, and now they are looking at paying out 10 figures to a small patent holding company. They made the wrong business decision. They chose to be kamikazis and they died.

I'm not saying this happened in the case of Winchester. I hadn't heard of any such litigation on the short magnums. I just figure Winchester couldn't make a profit in their high cost, high regulation venue in New Haven, Connecticutt.