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Offline Flyrodder

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« on: January 29, 2006, 04:32:16 PM »
Last hunting season I took my 2nd deer with a 308. Both times were remarkably similar in one respect.  I had to follow a blood trail to find them.  Both were shot through the lungs.  I was using Core Lokts both times and I'm wondering why A perfect kill shot didn't stop them in their tracks?  Could it be I got a bad lot of ammo?  I've shot deer with a shotgun and they didn't know what hit em.

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2006, 05:28:10 PM »
It's not uncommon at all to have deer run off after being hit very good even with large extremely hard hitting calibers. I've killed more deer than I could possibly count over the years, and yes, a shotgun with buckshot sometimes seems to knock'em off their feet. Other times though, I've had'em run off like they weren't hit after taking mutiple pellets through the vitals.

It's the disruption of blood supply to the brain, or nervous system that ultimately puts animals on the ground. I believe that when deer drop in their tracks from a bullet through the heart/lungs it's usually a situation where the deer was completely at ease, and was taken completely by surprize.  

I think I might have posted this before on these forums, but I once killed a young buck with a 30-06. I can't rember the load, but at that time I was using mostly 150g SP's, and 180 RN bullets at maximum velocities in that rifle. I'm thinking that day I loaded up with the 150g SP's(best I can remember)

That little deer was a fairly close shot, and I hit him hard right dead through the heart/lungs. He took off, and I swear, he acted like I'd clean out missed him. I watched him trot, not run several hundred yards out of sight, and firmly believed I'd just messed up, and pulled the shot. I went on to the house, and pretty much accepted that I missed an easy shot, then suffered through a couple hours of the other guys ragging me for being such a poor excuse for a hunter. You know the drill! LOL!

After absorbing countless attacks to my pride, my uncle came in, and said there was a deer laying out the road in the feild. He said it was a small buck, and looked fresh. We piled in the truck, and went to see it. It was my deer, and had gone at least a quarter mile before falling. I'd hit him perfectly behind the shoulder(quartering away), and the bullet exited the off shoulder. The lungs were devestated, and the heart literally looked like a bomb blew it up. It still amazes me that he ran as far as he did, with no vitals at all.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2006, 01:30:27 AM »
Shoot to break the shoulder and they don't run near as far if they can run at all.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2006, 03:11:03 AM »
It sounds to me like you got EXACTLY the performance you should expect from that shot. Heart/Lung shot deer generally run 25-150 yards before falling over dead. If you want them to drop to the shot you should hit the Central Nervous System.


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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2006, 03:31:12 AM »
Lung shots rarely stop deer or any game in there tracks. I found high shoulder shots  the best. It breaks down there running ability and takes out the lungs. Sometimes the shock will affect the nervous system and drops them in there tracks. If you are doing the standard lung shot expect them to run. Nothing wrong with your bullets.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2006, 03:37:35 PM »
OOPS!

I had to edit my post. I meant a quarter mile.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2006, 05:21:02 PM »
All right, I was just curious because I've seen friends shoot deer with '06s in the same area and they went down like they were pole-axed.  If I loaded some ballistic tips or partitions would that increase the knockdown enough to ensure knock down kills?  I am a good tracker and have found deer without a blood trail, but I like to do anything  to reduce the chance of wasting game.

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 10:12:08 AM »
I don't think the bullet is the problem......If you want to knock them down dead in there tracks increase the bore size, increase the bullet weight, and keep the velocity between 1800 and 2400 fps.........oh yea......break the shoulder..... :)

Seriously, internal ballistics is not an exact science and there is really no way of predicting what's going to happen inside an animal.......but, bigger bullets make bigger holes........

Oh yea....did I suggest hitting them where you will  break the shoulder?
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