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« on: March 18, 2003, 03:18:40 AM »
Gentlemen lets support our troops 100% and may Godbless them and bring them home safely. I hope its over very quickly too.
                                                                      BigBill

I think we have more information than we are saying. I think we have much better proof than we want to expose to the world that we can spy on everyone up so close and personal its scary. Years ago we could see a baseball on the ground or read a license plate what do you think we have now?? For national security we can't say what we have.

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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2003, 04:02:28 AM »
AMEN TO THAT!!!  Nice to have a pres. who cares more about kickin' ass than kissin' it !!!

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2003, 06:16:00 AM »
Iraq is a pathetic third world country that has no air force or navy.  We have been bombing Iraq for 12 years and it hasn't been able to shoot down a single one of our planes.  Iraq is no threat to U.S. security.  

Mexico, by contrast, is  claiming American territory. Iraq is not claiming any American territory.  Mexico is invading the US with millions of invaders who are bankrupting our health care and public welfare agencies and waging race war on our people. Just go to a criminal court sometime in any major American city and see what group makes up most of the defendants. They're  Mexicans, not Iraqis.        

Bush should bring home the troops, put them on the Mexican border and defend the country from Mexican invasion rather than doing  Israel's bidding in the Middle East.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2003, 10:52:09 AM »
Advocate - I agree 100% with your statements involving the invasion from Mexico.  We must control the borders.  BUT, in my job position I've worked a day or two in unskilled labor positions that are filled by 95% Mexicans.  They reason they come here is the same as why drugs are produce south of the border - there is a market for both generated by Americans.  Lazy, entitlement minded Americans are no longer willing to work entry level jobs paying $8-$10 bucks an hour.  It is easier to stand on a street intersection holding a sign for money and the goverment (taxpayers) provides handouts.  Believe me, it is much perferable for us in terms of training/retention to hire english speakers Vs. spanish speakers, but not many Americans apply.

Concerning Iraq -
1) There is proof that Iraq was involved and supported training the Sept. 11 terrorists and other terrorists.  That in itself is enough to kill the SOBs.  Also - Sept 11 clearly makes the war by muslim fanatics against Israel our war too and Sept. 11 was by no means the first American blood spilled by these pigs. (93 Trade Center bombing, USS Cole, Marine Building Bombing and countless executions in hostage situations by these cowardly scum.
2) Giving Iraq time to build nuclear weapons would put us in the same position we find ourselves with North Korea - Being blackmailed by thrid world dictators.  And Iraq did attemp to build nuclear weapons 20 years ago with help from their friends, the french, but Israel had the courage to blow the hell out of the facility.  Do you really trust Sadam to not build weapons that can harm Americans?
3) Iraq has bio/chemical weapons that if used in American cities by terrorists coming though the loose borders you and I deplore would kill thousands of Americans.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2003, 02:34:18 PM »
Israel has all of the capabilities for which you want to go to war with Iraq and Israel  has a history of espionage and betrayal of the United States. IN 1969  the Isreali air force and navy attached the U.S.S. Liberty in international waters, killed 34 American personnel and machine gunned the life rafts, clearly intending to kill all on board and sink the Liberty without a trace.  Israel has a nuclear arsenal, has missles  with the capacity to hit European capitals,  has biological weapons and has a history of spying against the U.S., stealing our secrets, and selling them to Red China, N. Korea, etc. It was recently announced that Israel has dispatched death squads to the U.S. to kill "terrorists" without trial or any due process.  Israel routinely uses torture on detainees.  

When do you want to start bombing  Israel?

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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2003, 06:41:23 PM »
Advocate - a long jump from illegal immigration and the Iraq situation to bombing Israel.  

Why don't you answer my points???

By the way, several (10) official US investigations ruled the bombing of the Liberty an accident.  At the beginning of the six day war the US had announced that it had no vessels within 100 miles of the area when the Liberty was actually 14 miles off the coast of Israel.  Israeli shore forces reported receiving fire as they had the day before from Egyptian forces when Israel responded by attacking the Liberty which it believed to be Egyptian.  Yes, accidents happen in war and will continue too.  The US accidently shot down an Iranian airliner full of civilians.  

Using common sense, do you think Israel would knowingly attack a US vessel when at the time the US was Israel's only friend in the world??
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2003, 02:55:05 AM »
You think it's a jump from war on Iraq to the issue of illegal immigration?   I think not.  Iraq is not invading our country, Mexico is. Iraq is not claiming U.S. territory. Mexico is.  Iraq is not bankrupting U.S. municipalities with millions of welfare seekers  and flooding our courts and prisions with criminals who murder us, steal from us and suck up our tax dollars. Mexico is.  U.S. Security is not threatened by Iraq but by Mexico.   If you're spoiling for a war with someone, then go to war with a bona fide enemy not a manufactured one.  

What a surprise that 10 government investigations of  Israel's attack on the  U.S.S. Liberty  (by a government controlled by the very people they're investigating) exonerated Israel.  The same government that conducted a half dozen or so investigations of Pearl Harbor and (and couldn't find any evidence that FDR knew of the attack in advance) and  the Kennedy Assassination (If you believe the Warren Commission  Report you're the only person I've ever encountered who did).

When was the last time the U.S. Government told you the truth?

Your "points" on Iraq are simply pro-war propaganda.  There is no "evidence" linking Saddam to 9/11.  And as far as the potential problems of Iraq having nuclear weapons, they are the same problems that exist with respect to  every government having them.   For better or for worse,  nuclear science  is as much a part of the modern world as indoor plumbing and electricity.    

This is the same mindless drivel that has caused the US to be stampeded into war after war throughout  the 20th century.  Iraq is in the same position as Spain in 1898. The last thing Spain wanted to do was fight anyone, much less the US.  And suddendly our battleship Maine blows up in Havana harbor and there has never been a shred of evidence that Spain had anytihing to do with it.  Who do you think really blew up the Maine?

The lies that stampeded us into WWI and WWII are too well known to be repeated. I shudder to think what lies we'll discover about 9/11 and this bogus trumped up war 25 or 30 years from now.  

More recently,  under Clinton we were told that we needed to go to war in the Balkans to prevent another "Holocaust" and ethnic cleansing.  Clinton said 100,000 people had been mass murdered and Eleanor Clift, a reporter for Newsweek said 250,000 had been killed. (Where do these numbers come from?)  An international team of forensic patholologists/ doctors went to that area after Clinton's war  to investigate  charges of mass murder that were used to stampede American sheep into suporting another foreign war. They found evidence of 2,900 bodies (!)  and concluded that most were killed on combat  during the years of conflict in that area.    There never was any "Holocaust". (By contrast, the American Civil War lasted only 4 years and  took 400,000-600,000 l ives.)

Why  is it that the only "ethnic cleansing" that America won't go to war over is the ethnic cleansing of white people from the  southwestern states by Mexican and other foreign nationals who have illegally invaded our country?  Mexican criminals cross over into the U.S., rob, steal, drug deal and murder and then flee back to Mexico from which they will not be extradited.  In Los Angeles County alone,  more than 60 murders have been attributed to Mexican nationals who fled back to Mexico from which they can't be extradited because Mexico does not appprove of the death penalty or even of life imprisonment.  (A Mexican who shoots at and misses an American policeman can be brought back but if he's a good shot and kills someone and can make it back to Mexico, he's literally home free.)  I  have read that 2/3 of all homicides in Maricopa County (Phoenix) Arizona were commited by illegal aliens.  We are not being invaded by Iraq. We are being invaded by Mexico.    

Sadaam is not trying to register and confiscate my guns, secretly read my emails,  secretly review my borrowing records at the public library, secretly reviewing my bank and other financial records, secretly search my home with out a warrant and God knows what else.  George Bush is. ( I am a life long Republican and I voted for the idiot. What choice did I have?)  

The "War on Terror" is a war on American freedom and civil rights by the American government and is based on  lies and propaganda designed to stampede a bunch of sheep into supporting a pointless, unnecessary war and  giving up their freedom in the name of "national security" and "patriotism."

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2003, 05:18:39 AM »
Fact: Al Queda is in Bagdad.
Fact: Mohamed Atta met with Iraq intellegence in Czechoslovakia.
Fact:  Saddam Hussien has a terrorist training camp with a jet fuselage.

And in case you are interested in other facts, if the Liberty's lifeboats were machine-gunned, it was on the deck of the ship because the Captain never abandoned the ship and turned away offers of assistance after the attack from Israel.

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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2003, 07:30:34 AM »
Thanks for setting me straight on the U.SS Liberty.  I watched several documentaries and the surviving U.S. Naval personnel said that life boats were machine gunned and that Israeli PT boats responded to the scene and  machine gunned everything that moved on the ship.   Obviously they were lying and you are telling the truth.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2003, 07:56:18 AM »
After reading some of the posts here and we have given all the US manufacturing away to over seas and we are losing our jobs more everyday. Everything we buy is made somewhere else?? Now from what i'm reading here we won't even be able to get lesser paying jobs either because the mexicans are going to take them too?? Geez i always looked forward to flippin burgers someday and now i won't be able to do that? After i had so many high tech jobs putting ketchup or mustard on burgers looked good no stress?? Just kidding but true some of the posts here I have to agree.            BigBill

The unemployment is 6% but thats not true so many have their money/claims runout and you can't count them there is no way of tracking them?? It has to be higher more like 10% to 12%??

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2003, 08:18:34 AM »
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Thanks for setting me straight on the U.SS Liberty


You're welcome.

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I watched several documentaries and the surviving U.S. Naval personnel said that life boats were machine gunned and that Israeli PT boats responded to the scene and machine gunned everything that moved on the ship


How does this differ from what I wrote? The ship returned under it's own power.

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2003, 08:48:01 AM »
Our leadership cannot publickly drag top secret info in font of the American people, might just as well call Saddam and tell him every move we will make, and give him names and adresses of people that are giving us sensitive info for the war.  Yes, it is true that it is harder to get support for the war without divulging info, but some of us have learned to read between thelines.  There have been reports that Bush was giving misleading information to the publick.   HooooRah.  This is WAR.  I support ANY and ALL 'LIES' that our president might feed the media.  I firmly beleive in my heart that he is looking out for our best interests and safety in the best way he can, and it 'might' be a long time before we even KNOW what the president knows.  He is surrounded by some really great people, who all seem to have a great confidence and respect in each other.  I trust that they are trying to do the right thing,  we have men of 'Conscience' in the White House.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2003, 06:57:45 PM »
ADVOCATE - All the way back to 1898 and the Spanish American War.  Try to stick to the subjects at hand instead of going into the conspiracy kook mode.  

1)Most Mexicans are here to fill low paying jobs that entitlement minded Americans wont take. Just like illegal drugs, us Yankees create these demands.   Any of the same bums, that stand on the same street intersections everyday, asking for handouts could apply for these jobs, but don't.  Also - Like I stated before, I'm all for securing our borders by any means, hanging criminals, and serving justice.

2)Iraq is hand n hand with the terrorists that would kill Americans given the chance.  Another post stated three common knowledge ties between Iraq and terrorists.  One not mentioned, the fact that Iraq pays suicide bombers families $25000.  Looks like support for terrorists to me, how long do you think it will be before the suicide bombers start here?  We already have been attacked by a form of suicide bombers on Sept. 11.

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The lies that stampeded us into WWI and WWII are too well known to be repeated. I shudder to think what lies we'll discover about 9/11 and this bogus trumped up war 25 or 30 years from now.

Are you really stating the nazi holocaust didn't happen prior and during WW2?  That Germany/Hitler dropped flowers on London and had no plans to attack the US eventually?    Did we twist the arm of Japan to attack the US?     You probably believe Israel is behind Sept 11. don't you.

The problem with debating types like you is this; you will come up with any answer that serves your kooky conspiracy logic.  Once we defeat Iraq and find Bio/chem weapons, you and Sadams other useful idiots (anti-war protesters) will claim a conspiricy that the CIA planted these weapons.

Just another thing your wrong about, you could vote for Lyndon LaRouch, he's also a conspiracy kook and runs for President every election.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2003, 03:04:54 AM »
Hawkeye, Advocate,
A word to the wise..............This is not the place for this debate! It has now been reduced to name calling.  I will NOT tolerate this on this forum.  This issue is closed.  Further comments will result in expulsionsof the parties involved.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2003, 09:15:03 AM »
Good Timing SavageT !
I was about to bite my tongue off to
keep out of that conversation.
I think there is a political forum somewhere
on GB'S website. I may weigh in there.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2003, 03:10:50 PM »
Aw shucks, I was planning on using it to write an article for the National Enquirer. Now I'll have to think of something myself, hey, batboy, yeah that'll work.
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