Author Topic: Islmaic Cartoons (Read 3798 times)

WmRoy · « **on:** February 05, 2006, 08:15:28 AM »

I'm curious what everone thinks of all the uproar over these cartoons?

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/05/nflag05.xml

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48674

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/05/nflag305.xml

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060205/D8FJ31PG0.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2024306,00.html

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-02-05T181244Z_01_L05188385_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-CARTOONS.xml&rpc=22

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4680948.stm

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 05, 2006, 12:19:19 PM »

I find them amusing. I'd like to see one where a laughging mohamed is lighting a bomb fuse and throwing it into a bus of Jewish school children. Thats how I see their mohamed. POWDERMAN. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

WmRoy · « **Reply #2 on:** February 05, 2006, 12:25:32 PM »

Well the cartoons maybe amusing to us, but the response of the Muslims in anything but!! This whole incident betrays the real spirit of Islam which is violence................

ShadowMover · « **Reply #3 on:** February 05, 2006, 04:00:37 PM »

Their reaction proves the point of the cartoon. I wonder how their world would be if we reacted in a similar manner? They can dish it out but they can't seem to take it. From what I've read about their prophet, he didn't mind a little raping , looting or killing when it suited him, which may explain the reaction. People react more violently to criticism close to the truth than a wild misrepresentation.
The Arab world is lives in the dark ages and wants everyone to join them. The Arab civilization is in a state of collapse. They publish only 1.1% of the books in the world even though they comprise 5% of the global population, and those are mostly religious books. (US Naval Institute Proceedings Sept 2005 page 25)

powderman · « **Reply #4 on:** February 05, 2006, 04:46:13 PM »

Their mohamed was famous for raping his conquests, after torturing and murdering their husbands in front of them. He even took a child bride of 6 years old, must have been very exciting for them both. All of Gods real prophets performed miracles, healed the sick, even raised the dead, mohamed did none of these things. He was no more than a warlord who taught hatred and intolerance. Warlord, murderer, rapist, he was a lot of things, but certainly not one of Gods prophets. I see islam as a false religion, and mohamed as a false prophet. POWDERMAN. :x :x :x :x :x :x

WmRoy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 05, 2006, 05:58:42 PM »

I agree Powderman.

Unfortunately it appears to me that a 'show down' between the West and Islam is coming VERY VERY SOON! And this will be much worse than
9-11 I'm afraid.............

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** February 06, 2006, 03:56:07 AM »

WMROY. It's not just the west, it's islam against the world. They are taught from birth that anyone not subscribing to islam is the enemy. Their goal is world domination, the anhilation of all non muslims. They are murdering innocents all over the world, now they are murdering their own. They are doing satans work, not Gods. I see them as satans disciples. These are just my opinions. POWDERMAN. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

powderman · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2006, 03:58:58 AM »

WMROY. It's not just the west, it's islam against the world. They are taught from birth that anyone not subscribing to islam is the enemy. Their goal is world domination, the anhilation of all non muslims. They are murdering innocents all over the world, now they are murdering their own. They are doing satans work, not Gods. I see them as satans disciples. These are just my opinions. POWDERMAN. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

WmRoy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 06, 2006, 04:14:51 AM »

Quote from: powderman

WMROY. It's not just the west, it's islam against the world. They are taught from birth that anyone not subscribing to islam is the enemy. Their goal is world domination, the anhilation of all non muslims. They are murdering innocents all over the world, now they are murdering their own. They are doing satans work, not Gods. I see them as satans disciples. These are just my opinions. POWDERMAN. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

powderman,

You are correct........ I should have said the world! I agree I think that Islam is purely of the Devil and it becomes more apparent every day!

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2006, 11:31:55 AM »

Give me back the post and I will draw you pictures even you can understand.

Graybeard · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2006, 11:36:56 AM »

I had hoped I'd made that post go away before anyone else but me had read it. Wiz you best be reading my PM to you.

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:00:54 PM »

Last chance TM7,you see they live by propaganda and we in our Media are liberal so they get the propanda and don't know anybetter and we get the propaganda and most of us can read and know better and the others like your self seem to live in a parallel universe.

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2006, 02:32:09 PM »

Yep TM7 I am fortunate enough to know the difference and that is the difference between you and I.

Graybeard · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2006, 04:26:23 PM »

OK let's try this ONE LAST TIME.

You two are out of line. You KNOW you are out of line. I will accept NO MORE from you two on this thread. It ends NOW one way or another. If you make me end it you'll both be wishing I hadn't in the coming days when you're left out wishing you were still here. CLEAR?

peakoftherut · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2006, 05:59:11 PM »

I think it has been a good thing. It let's the world see how the Islamic faithfull deal with disagreement. That is to kill anybody that says something they don't like. I find it interesting that the people they want handed over to face Islamic justice are normally their biggest supporters in the west ( liberal journalist's ).

I have also heard that some people think that different Islamic groups are fanning the flames of the faithful because Denmark is going to take the leadership chair in the un in the next couple of months. Right about the time big decisions are going to be made about Iran. They want Denmark and the rest of Europe to be to timid to do anything.

powderman · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2006, 04:14:14 AM »

Of course these riots are planned. Ever think about how they seem to be able to find the various flags they burn??? Where do these flags come from, does allah supply them?? POWDERMAN. :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

`RS · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2006, 11:24:11 PM »

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Well the cartoons maybe amusing to us, but the response of the Muslims in anything but!! This whole incident betrays the real spirit of Islam which is violence................

I certainly agree and it also shows that they can't take a joke. Political cartoons have long been a part of civilization and it happens all the time between the factions in our country without anyone getting terribly riled up about it; we poke fun at the liberals all the time. The fact of the Islamics responding this way shows their true character. I think they are pushing for a world war and using any excuse to escalate an already very hostile situation.

williamlayton · « **Reply #17 on:** February 14, 2006, 01:47:32 AM »

This thread has lost all focus on what the original question was and is not appropriate for this forums intentions.
I am going to lock it and should further discussion be wanted take it to the "Stove".
It is being locked because of the content being out of context with forum intentions.
Blessings

FWiedner · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2006, 06:20:12 AM »

It has long been known that pictoral or photographic representations of their prophet are contrary to the teachings of their religion and offensive to adherents of Islam.

Those who resort to violence in response to the publishing of these cartoons are no more adequate representatives of the spirit of Islam than the KKK are the chosen ambassadors of Christ.

It's just my personal opinion, but I think that deliberately insulting another man's view of G_d probably does not go a long way toward getting you right with Him.

Not all men find G_d by walking on the same path, and we have no place in questioning the way that He reveals Himself to those other men.

As I said. JMO.

Please consider the following:

BIGOT - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Seems that there are plenty of these fellows on either side of the line.

:?

Sourdough · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2006, 08:15:22 AM »

The Islamic world is acting like a bully. They will bully the world into being afraid of doing anything against them, or they will blow up. That way it will be easier to take over the world and subjugate us.

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:24:11 AM »

One question...was any of these cartoons even captioned so one knows the person depicted in it was Mohamed, and not Bob, the flying carpet salesman?

Another thing I don't get it is THEIR belief that it is wrong to have pics of their prophet.... How in the heck can they apply that belief to the actions of non-Muslims. Hmmm...being Catholic, does that mean I can burn down Burger King if they serve burgers on Fridays during lent?!! :roll:

Jim

WmRoy · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2006, 11:40:00 AM »

Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer

One question...was any of these cartoons even captioned so one knows the person depicted in it was Mohamed, and not Bob, the flying carpet salesman?

Another thing I don't get it is THEIR belief that it is wrong to have pics of their prophet.... How in the heck can they apply that belief to the actions of non-Muslims. Hmmm...being Catholic, does that mean I can burn down Burger King if they serve burgers on Fridays during lent?!! :roll:

Jim

Well apparently so........ but then Islam never has been a believer in 'whats good for the goose is good for the gander'........... there the gander is all that matters...........

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2006, 02:28:30 PM »

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2006, 02:30:31 PM »

Extremism in any context, no matter what the subject, is inherently a bad thing. If everyone, no matter what creed or religious flavor, were content to simply worship how they saw fit and leave everyone else the heck alone, the whole world would be a better place.

Ian

big medicine · « **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2006, 02:59:10 PM »

I don't know about anyone else but I'm getting tired of having to kiss someone else's six just because they are offended. Seems that it is ok to cut off someone's head on TV, to kill "Americans" and burn their bodies and hang them from a bridge or drag them through the street. It is ok to kill people who just went to work trying to make a living who had nothing to do with "them" being "offended". It is ok to burn someone else's flag or trash someone elses" religion just because they are offended....They need to get over it!!!

I get offended every day by one thing or another, but I'm expected to turn my back and walk away. It is not an excuse to go kill someone just because I'm offended. These people need no excuse to be offended and kill inocent people. It is time the rest of the world see them for what they really are and stop apologizing to them.

FWiedner · « **Reply #25 on:** February 14, 2006, 04:48:06 PM »

BM - Thats painting with a damned wide brush.

Blaming an entire religious group and its followers, comprising tens, and probably hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a few thousand extremists is no more accurate and no more justified than blaming all 80-million American gun-owners for the crimes of a handful of violent street thugs.

:?

Ocsamschainsaw · « **Reply #26 on:** February 14, 2006, 05:25:12 PM »

So does all of this mean that it's now okay for me to hate all Christians because the IRA has killed quite a number of innocents?
Or because abortion clinics have been bombed by a few pro-life extremists, is it now okay for me to hate them all with a vengeance?
What about people of the Jewish persuasion, is it allright for me to hate them all with a passion now since Israelis, too, have incurred their fair share of innocent casualties in the palestinian conflict?
And yes, what the previous poster said, gee, maybe I ought to turn in all of my guns right now and just hate all gun owners because guns are used in crimes...
Do you see where this logic leads? It's absolutely absurd.
If the conservative right believes so much in "free speech", then why aren't our high school kids being taught options other than abstinence in high schools, despite heavy, repeated evidence that abstinence only teaching does NOT work (I've volunteered at a planned parenthood before, you would be AMAZED at the number of rich white super-conservative republican's daughters that end up in there. They're the first ones to go in when they have a baby, especially if, heaven forbid, it's of another race)? Oh, wait, let me guess-it has to do with....drumroll please...morals.
I don't agree with the way that some of the protesters are acting, and very much suspect that the majority of them are being led on by some people very good at agitating crowds for a specific purpose, but the act of publishing those cartoons was pretty damned irresponsible. Perhaps instead of attacking muslims in general, we ought to be asking, who is really behind agitating these crowds? Because I bet that if some serious investigation were to be done, a few choice players would be found.
Sure, I have the RIGHT here in Huntsville, Texas to open carry a longarm (shotgun or rifle, no handgun) as long as I'm not using it to actively threaten anyone-does that mean that I do it? Heck no! That's a horrible idea, and I guarantee you that if I did it that I would be surroudned by cops faster than I could swallow.
Sometimes the noblest thing in life is to know that you have an inalienable right, and choose not to exercise it at prudent times.

big medicine · « **Reply #27 on:** February 14, 2006, 06:05:54 PM »

Quote from: FWiedner

BM - Thats painting with a damned wide brush.

Blaming an entire religious group and its followers, comprising tens, and probably hundreds of millions of people for the actions of a few thousand extremists is no more accurate and no more justified than blaming all 80-million American gun-owners for the crimes of a handful of violent street thugs.

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By "them" I mean exactly the ones we all see and read about. The ones cutting off heads, the ones draging burned bodies through the streets, the ones protesting and buring buildings and cars, the ones killing priest to "avenge" the cartoon, the ones kidnapping and killing "westerners." The ones using violence, demanding an apology. ect ect and the list goes on. It just happens they fall into the same religous catagory and that Sir is fact. For the people who get up every day and try to eek out a living and live and let live I have no gripe with them.They are just average people trying to survive. But they dont get the press do they, nor were they mentioned in anyway in the post. I thought I was pretty specific in details as to who "they" are. Not once was there any general group named by nationality or religion as a whole. A thug is a thug by any name. There was no broad brush painting in the words, only in the eyes of the reader.

WmRoy · « **Reply #28 on:** February 15, 2006, 02:09:12 AM »

The problem isn't so much the people....... but the religion..............

Religion of 'peace & tolerance'.......... sure it is.............NOT!

It's Satan's religion........... PURE EVIL!

Leverdude · « **Reply #29 on:** February 15, 2006, 04:27:35 AM »

I cant make myself hate an entire religion or culture for a number of reasons. My own religious beliefs being the primary one.
I never read their book, might someday but I might not neither. It doesn't matter to me. I judge people as I see them. I can be & am prejudice about how I see people because I'm human & smart enough to have noticed that most muggers here have darker skin than me, I'v noticed that most terrorism is commited my middle eastern people too. I notice alot of things about people, another thing I'v found is theres some colored folks that are better men that I will ever be, Noticed the same from Middle eastern folks & every other race or religion I can think of too.
That doesn't mean I'm not nervous on a dark street getting approached by a group of rough looking punks, just means I know they aint all like that.
It also doesnt mean I'm not nervous if I see an Arabic looking fellow acting funny, course I would.
But these people are like most others too. Their book may teach one thing but what do they really feel? How many christians do we know that follow the bible literally in every day life? I dont know many.
I think the same holds true for these people & thats one reason they hate our influence in their corner of the world. We show the common people what we live like & how to get there & their religion loses prominance. Those people arent gonna kneel down & pray every couple hours if they become westernized. Theyre not going to seek out a mullusk or whatever they call them when they have a problem. Things will change big time.
Not many of the folks I know that I think are likely Muslim & have been here a long time do these things. If not for outward apearences they are just like you & me.
Now then, if they find a guy teaching hatred or what have you, radical islamic stuff, in our country that cant be tolerated. Not sure what to do about it honestly as far as legalities but it wouldnt bug me to see on the news that he got drug outside & somehow a shotgun went off in his ear. :grin:

I guess the jist of what I'm trying to convey is that I'm prejudiced against folks sometimes because of what I'd been taught & what I'v learned thru my own life experiences. I'll be nervous around certain folks & prepared & on high alert because I'v learned theres certain types more likely to do me harm than others, sometimes theyre white.
But I cant hate them all, just goes against my grain I guess.