Author Topic: second shot (Read 1279 times)

Cheesehead · « **on:** February 14, 2006, 03:01:57 PM »

I love my encore pistol and am wanting an encore rifle. I have had a number of semi and bolt rifles over my long hunting career. What I am trying to say is,, sometimes I need a quick second shot. I have been told with practice an encore rifle is as capable of a fast accurate follow up shot as a bolt rifle. Any truth to this?

JEFF WARD2 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2006, 05:48:27 PM »

you can get realy quick with practice, and more practice..
i always keep a second bullet inside my glove easy to get to, so after i shoot i can just break open and remove my spent shell and then reload..
my buddy shoots a bolt action and im just as quick as he is most of the time.. but like i said it just takes practice, once you get your pattern the way you are comfterble with you dont even have to take your eyes off your target.. and thats when you can start picking up speed..
this is what works for me.. just remember SAFTEY FIRST , dont try to be quick at the beging just find your method and the speed will follow..
goodluck..jeff

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2006, 02:10:26 AM »

You sure can get quick reloading for a second shot in an Encore. I used my Encore in 416 Rigby to take a Water Buffalo and I had my gun reloaded so fast the guide was amazed. But no second shot was needed.

Practice is the key.

Cheesehead · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2006, 12:19:12 PM »

416 in an encore. It must kick a little bit. Hunting water buffalo with this combo must be very exciting.

hardertr · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2006, 02:54:45 PM »

I wear on of those velcro ammo straps on my right wrist with a couple of extra rounds in it. I've never needed a quick second shot, but the round is right where I need it for a quick reload.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2006, 04:54:04 PM »

Quote from: Cheesehead

416 in an encore. It must kick a little bit. Hunting water buffalo with this combo must be very exciting.

It was a blast, I sold the barrel to another member here, I bought a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby. As far as recoil, I installed a mercury recoil suppressor in the stock and installed a Simms pad which tamed the recoil. Actually it was a fun gun to shoot. I also used velcro ammo straps on my left wrist with a couple of extra rounds in it, but only one shot was need, but the gun was reload very quick.

scout34 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2006, 11:23:28 PM »

I have an Encore in .50x209 and will be getting a .375HH barrel soon. The question I have is, does the Encore just extract or does it eject?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2006, 01:29:16 AM »

Quote from: scout34

I have an Encore in .50x209 and will be getting a .375HH barrel soon. The question I have is, does the Encore just extract or does it eject?

It just extracts.

Qaz · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2006, 01:59:51 AM »

Not to start an argument here but, no you can not reload as fast with a single shot as you can with a bolt. That is simple physics, there is more movement involved with the single shot and movement in this case is time. Just for the record, a bolt action is not as fast as a slide action.
Cheesehead, how ever fast you can reload your encore pistol is probably how fast you will reload a rifle.

scout34 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2006, 03:13:50 AM »

Not that I need a dangerous game stopping rifle right now, but should the need for one arise (and I fervently hope it does) I won't be trying to make the Encore into something it's not. I have a CZ 550 in .375 for that.

Right now I'm stuck very far away from my rifle battery and I'm wargaming the mechanics of reloading. I've thought about rounds on a wrist holder and rounds on a stock sleeve. Any other methods that folks use? Does anyone hold rounds in between fingers under the forearm?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2006, 03:27:48 AM »

Qaz, almost all the people I see shooting bolt action guns lower the gun and cycle the bolt, it is kind of hard working a long action with the gun shouldered. One would be surprised just how fast a single shot can be reloaded.

scout34, how is using a large bore cartridge turning an Encore into something it is not. A lot of people have used single shot rifles to take dangerous game and have had great success. I also have a CZ 550 in 416 Rigby, but the one shot challenge is still fun.

scout34 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2006, 12:10:25 AM »

I suppose a single shot and a well placed bullet will always be able to do the trick, but I still like having my backup shots in the gun.

When the adreneline hits the fine motor skills vanish. I've had my M4 jam in the middle of an OH &$#@!! moment and it takes serious concentration to make it right. That's with a basic skill I've been practicing for 10 years.

I would have to put thousands of rounds through the gun and practice many thousands of fast reloads to get the muscle memory and the instinctive reactions right before I could think of a single shot as a dangerous game rifle. Even then I would have reservations.

That's just me though. As the late, great Louis L'Amour said, "You gotta fork your own broncs." I know my capabilities and my limitations and I personally would not like to go stalking a wounded lion with a single shot, nor would I like to force someone else to go in because I could not get off a second shot.

I would like to get as fast on a reload as I possibly can. In the end I suppose it comes down do what feels right and practice.

Keith L · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2006, 12:44:03 AM »

I know what you mean about fine motor skills. I just started pistol shooting, and the teacher/coach's mantra is gross motor skills. Even when the heat isn't really on, when all that is at stake is a target, sometimes I get bound up in my shorts.

I also have gotten lost in the second shot from time to time at deer with my lever gun. And I have shot it plenty. The trick is as you point out: shoot, shoot, shoot. and practice the quick second shot. Some will do fine, and others never will.

Kind of makes me think of all the civil war weapons found on the battle fields with five or six charges in them. Soldiers recalled the method for loading but neglected to put the caps on. And in the heat of battle didn't notice the gun hadn't gone off.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2006, 01:15:04 AM »

I have been hunting with single shots for many many years and feel very comfortable with them and reloading them quickly. That is why I used one on my water buffalo hunt.

scout34 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 06, 2006, 04:37:43 AM »

Redhawk, you have a greater breadth of experience than I do with the Encore. I've had mine for a grand total of 9 months and it's a muzzleloader to boot, so I really don't have an accurate idea of the time and mechanics involved in quick reloads.

I will say that anyone can nut up under pressure, and I have seen pros do just that. I've heard the awful, loud, click of a misfire when my M4 failed to feed, and me under fire (I carried an M9 for backup then and I carry an M14 now). The point is that things go wrong sometimes, Murphy is always a possibility, and for that reason I will give myself that extra margin of safety.

Perhaps I should have said, "I will not try to make an Encore into a controlled round feed dangerous game stopping rifle", because that is what I meant. Will an Encore in 416 Rigby take down the largest on the planet with one shot? You betcha. But what if it doesn't?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2006, 04:52:36 AM »

Quote from: scout34

Redhawk, you have a greater breadth of experience than I do with the Encore. I've had mine for a grand total of 9 months and it's a muzzleloader to boot, so I really don't have an accurate idea of the time and mechanics involved in quick reloads.

I will say that anyone can nut up under pressure, and I have seen pros do just that. I've heard the awful, loud, click of a misfire when my M4 failed to feed, and me under fire (I carried an M9 for backup then and I carry an M14 now). The point is that things go wrong sometimes, Murphy is always a possibility, and for that reason I will give myself that extra margin of safety.

Perhaps I should have said, "I will not try to make an Encore into a controlled round feed dangerous game stopping rifle", because that is what I meant. Will an Encore in 416 Rigby take down the largest on the planet with one shot? You betcha. But what if it doesn't?

What you say is very true, but as you put it "anyone can nut up under pressure" even with a bolt action. So that is why we in the single shot world call it the one shot challenge.

scout34 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2006, 06:45:30 AM »

Touche'. I cannot deny the appeal of the single shot challenge, else I would not be exploring this thread.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2006, 08:06:19 AM »

Quote from: scout34

Touche'. I cannot deny the appeal of the single shot challenge, else I would not be exploring this thread.

Not touchy at all. I just wanted to point out the bolt action.

No doubt you would like the one shot challenge.

scout34 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2006, 04:37:28 PM »

Sorry, I'll explain. Touche' (pronounced tooshay) for "score" in fencing.

If you don't mind my asking, why did you sell your .416 Encore barrel and get a CZ?

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2006, 04:51:17 PM »

Quote from: scout34

Sorry, I'll explain. Touche' (pronounced tooshay) for "score" in fencing.

If you don't mind my asking, why did you sell your .416 Encore barrel and get a CZ?

I got you know. :-D I was not paying attention to the Touche'. :oops:

I like to shoot different guns to gain experience and hand on with different rounds. I buy and sell and trade guns and barrels all the time. I sold the 416 Encore barrel because I did what I bought the barrel for, my water buffalo hunt. I bought the 416 Rigby in the CZ 550 to replace the Sako 375 H&H I traded to my buddy. I have never owned a CZ rifle and thought it was a good opportunity to try one out in a cartridge I like. Some times I regret getting rid of the Encore 416 Rigby barrel, it was a very accurate barrel and worked very well.

scout34 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 07, 2006, 12:04:22 AM »

I've got a CZ 550 in .375HH and think it's just great. Very accurate, though I have not had the time to hunt with it yet.

I've decided to get a centerfire barrel for my Encore and can't decide which one. I have the .50x209 muzzleloader and shoot the saboted .429 240gr XTP out of it. I have not chronoed it but advertising claims 2200fps. I had thought perhaps a .444 Marlin barrel of the same length (26") shooting the same bullets at similar velocities. Mount the same scope on each barrel and I've got a good rig for deer, elk, moose etc. As well as cheap practice for the muzzleloader. Pyrodex ain't cheap.

Other thoughts are a .375 HH companion barrel for the CZ, or perhaps something in a .35, or all of the above.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 07, 2006, 01:53:11 AM »

That is the great thing about the Encore, you have a big selection to choose from.

I have not hunted with my CZ in 416 Rigby yet either. I was thinking of taking it on my next black bear hunt to Maine this year just to try it out. I know it is what some will say is over kill, But I just want to try it out. I have a good accurate load, using a 300 gr. Barnes X bullet.

fortress49 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 07, 2006, 04:29:11 AM »

Although I have never hunted dnagerous game with a single shot or any rifle for that matter, I do not see why people say you cannot/should not use a single shot.

What about bow hunters? Talk about the "challenge"! Yet bow hunters hunt dangerous game quite often. Yes, they have a person with a back-up rifle, but so should any hunter whether they are using a single shot or bolt action. To me, if you can use a bow which has much less "shocking" power than a rifle, then a single shot rifle should be fine.

It IS more dangerous to hunt with a bow than a single shot. It IS more dangerous to hunt with a single shot than a bolt action. (I am talking dangerous game here.) But, the "danger factor" I thnk is part of the hunt and thrill.

Think about times before firearms. People took down large and dangerous game with primitive stone projectile points on spears and arrows. They DID get hurt and/or killed doing this, but they were effective.

Personally, I like the single shot. If I was able to afford a dangerous game hunt, I would like to use a single shot.

Matt

Keith L · « **Reply #23 on:** March 07, 2006, 07:30:54 AM »

I have a BIL who claims bow hunting for bear is safer than with a gun. The bears can't determine where the hunter is when shot with a bow, but can easily follow the noise from a gunshot. I don't know, but I do know that you have to be lots closer with the bow, and I don't like that.