Thanks for your replys guys i cant wait to give it a try i just got my 10 1/2" barrel back on as i had stopped using the hand gun for hunting and had a 4/58 on there for carry. and i missed the handgun hunt so i decided to use the longer barrel , for me the longer is easier to shoot (better groups). I dont use a scope i have a peep sisht on it and she used to be able to hit coke cans all day long at 100 yds (with 240's) Thanks again Tanoose