Author Topic: Willie Nelsons new song about gay cowboys is in bad taste! (Read 2834 times)

jh45gun · « **on:** February 16, 2006, 06:04:55 PM »

Guess I will have to scratch Willie off of my list of country singers. I guess his song "you were always on my mind" maybe had a hidden meaning?

Well I always knew willie was a liberal pot head but never figured him for this:

Country icon Willie Nelson sings gay cowboy song
Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:21 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - It turns out the makers of "Brokeback Mountain" are not the only ones who think "Cowboys are frequently secretly fond of each other" -- country music icon Willie Nelson has recorded a song with that title.

With lyrics like "What did you think all them saddles and boots was about?" the song may raise the hackles of those who see cowboys as the iconic American heterosexual male.

The song was written more than 20 years ago by songwriter Ned Sublette but was largely unknown until Nelson, who contributed a song to the "Brokeback Mountain" soundtrack, decided to release it this week for download on iTunes.

"The song's been in the closet for 20 years," Nelson said in a statement. "The timing's right for it to come out."

Ang Lee's "Brokeback Mountain," the story of two ranch hands in Wyoming who fall in love, has won a string of awards and is a front-runner for the best film Oscar next month.

Nelson, whose hits include "Always on My Mind" and "My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys," sings in the new song: "A small town don't like it when a cowboy has feelings for men," and "I believe to my soul that inside every man there's the feminine."

Another verse goes as follows: "The cowboy may brag about things that he's done with his woman. But the ones who brag loudest are the ones who are most likely queer."

The Dallas Morning News said the song had a personal connection for Nelson because his longtime tour manager, David Anderson, revealed his homosexuality to Nelson two years ago.

jh45gun · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2006, 06:11:04 PM »

Guys this should be a lively topic for discussion but keep it civil and do not post any crap that will make GB erase this. We have talked about it and he said go ahead and post it but he has reservations about it since some one may post things to make him erase it or lock it so lets try to keep the conversation on this with out going off the deep end. I have posted the lyrics at other sites but will decline to do so here as I know that will bring out reason for GB to ban this thread. I will warn the liberals now you start saying this is ok, this thread will be locked or gone so I do not want to hear it you want to protest it go elsewhere! I spent half the night trying to get this to post for some reason it would not so because the server was acting up or something to that effect so I do not want some one to screw up this post after all the crap I went through to post it. We all know GB's Stance on gays so any liberals that say that is ok do it elsewhere. You want to post that willie can sing what he wants to go ahead but if you start to say this the gay life style is ok do it elsewhere as it will not be tolerated here. It should not be too hard to converse about this with out giving GB a reason to erase or lock it.

Nightrain52 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2006, 11:02:08 PM »

With all of Willies money troubles with the IRS he saw a way to make a quick buck from a different outlet for his music. I never did care much for his singing anyway.

Johnny Reb · « **Reply #3 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:18:57 AM »

I never have cared for Willie, or the fact that he was a "pot head, non-tax paying, liberal hippy." Seems like I heard one of his new songs not long a go and it was pretty anti-Iraq war, now this, just one more reason to dislike him.

Keith L · « **Reply #4 on:** February 17, 2006, 01:21:33 AM »

My guess is that he is making a quick buck and having a laugh at this business. How much do you think it hurts him if you already weren't buying his records?

JH45gun, Its kind of a horse hockey business to post then follow up with another saying if anyone disagrees with you you will lock the string. It looks like you are trying to provoke an argument. Kind of like trolling, but done by a moderator. I have never seen that before on any site, and out of caracter for this one. If you felt you had to add the second perhaps you shouldn't have posted the first one.

Lone Star · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2006, 02:48:04 AM »

I have to agree with KeithL - if the subject is so contentious to the site owner that an open discussion is not possible, then I say erase the thread now. We can be civil and still agree or disagree with the topic, but if someone wants to express their personal lifestyle viewpoint but is not allowed to do so, why bother?

I am not a Nelson fan; I have not heard the song and don't intend to; haven't seen the movie and don't intend to.....but if another American wants to express an opposite opinion, and the site owner doesn't want to read it ( and I understand and support GB's rights here), then close the thread.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2006, 04:54:16 AM »

The moderator asked all to keep it......civil. So far so good.
I wonder how long that will last?
If you post a topic that you know is going to promote spirited comments
you can`t expect all to conform or should you. Civility covers a lot of
ground.
That`s like closing the barn door after the horse gets out. The damage
is already done, IMO.
As far as the song lyrics/message are concerned.......... see i`m civil.
If you can`t say anything nice then don`t say anything at all.

jh45gun · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2006, 06:43:43 AM »

Maybe I worded that warning wrong. BUT IF YOU GUYS had issues getting it posted half the night you would not want it to be erased the first time some one said something good about gays. THe Brokeback mountain thread was erased because folks like FE just had to makes comments that ruffled the Admin so it was gone. I would guess that you guys post stuff that you hear that will bring discussion on a board like this the is a in the news area wether you are for it against it or do not care one way or the other. Myself I really do not like taking the time to post stuff for discussion if it is going to be erased. GB has his rules here like no off color jokes or support of gays so this is a grey area as far as this site goes and after posting I did not want it gone in the first couple of replys as it could be. I do not make the rules here and WE all know the rules here but some still cross that line I was trying to avoid that. As far as a Moderator goes I can only moderate my own areas which is the crossbow and rimfire area any other board I cannot touch so Keith you do not have to worry I cannot do a darn thing about anything I post here but GB can. THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE WAS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS WITH OUT IT BEING TAKEN OFF THE BOARD. I AM NOT CENSORING ANYTHING AND IN OTHER POST ON THIS AT DIFFERENT SITES I DID NOT. THIS BOARD IS DIFFERENT DUE TO THE OWNERS WISHES. GB had some concerns about this post and I was just trying to advoid that so do not shoot the messenger. I could have posted the lyrics too but felt that may be too controversal for this board. You guys have all seen subjects that were locked or gone here so I do not think I was being too unreasonable trying to keep my thread alive. Jim

hardertr · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2006, 07:17:19 AM »

JH45, I think the way you present your case is more offensive than the topic itself. You are basically saying: If you don't tell me how wonderful I am for my stated opinion...don't post here.

Graybeard does a pretty awsome job by keeping so many people happy, and allowing folks to post just about anything they want so long as they maintain maturity and civility. I respect GB's views because this is HIS site, and I CHOOSE to take part in this community.

Ever think of starting your own site JH?

jh45gun · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2006, 07:28:14 AM »

If I offended any one on how I stated this I am sorry. That was not my attention go ahead and Ask GB I had problems all last night trying to post this and after all that would like to keep this thread here. GB had concerns about it getting out of hand so I was just trying to prevent that. Like I said we have all seen threads get locked or disappear because folks could not follow the rules. I do not care if you or anyone else sticks up for WIllie go for it. All I was trying to do was to keep my post on this board with out loosing it because some one got on a I love gays rant and would cause GB to erase it. Like I said I do not make the rules here and am just trying to follow them. You read my post wrong it is not my opinion I am trying to uphold just the thread. You think Willie or gays are fine thats your business and if you want tp post as such fine I am just asking to keep it civil so GB does not get rid of this thread is that too much to ask?

dukkillr · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2006, 07:42:29 AM »

this thread should be deleted.

jh45gun · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2006, 07:45:42 AM »

jh45gun · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2006, 07:48:37 AM »

WHY? Give me a reason or is this a jab at me because you and I went round after round on the bow hunting issue?

dukkillr · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2006, 08:16:56 AM »

yeah, this thread should be deleted because i think xbows aren't for bowseason. Seriously?

This thread should be deleted because it was started with a controversial topic and then limited to only one side of the opinion. I agree with the guys who found your second post offensive.

jh45gun · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2006, 08:23:25 AM »

And I stated say what you want and I appoligised if I stated it wrong in the first place what more do you want? I just did not want it to get out of hand and be deleted anything wrong with that? Go ahead every one say what ever is on your minds! If it gets deleted by GB oh well at least I tried to keep it here for discussion. It was not my intention to keep it one sided and I stated that just to keep it civil. I do not see anything wrong with that.

jh45gun · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2006, 09:01:53 AM »

All you have to do is look at the Golden Globe thread to see what I was trying to avoid yet still have a discussion on this. If you remember the thread on Broke Back Mountain was deleted for the same reason. I am not the one who makes the rules here but I am trying to abide by GBs rules on this subject and just saying we should be able to talk about this with out it being deleted. Like I said if I offended anyone or sounded like I was getting High handed that was not my intention. Just want to keep the thread on the board that is all.

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2006, 09:28:59 AM »

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I could have posted the lyrics too but felt that may be too controversal for this board.

If you had I would have deleted it immediately after seeing it.

Let me clear the air abit about what he is saying. He asked me if he could post it. I reluctantly agreed but with the proviso it wasn't going to turn into a pro gay thread. I am personally oppose to the current coming out of gays. I really don't care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors but when you start pushing it in my face in public I do mind a lot.

I've never ever said GBO was a place where folks with vastly different opinions on certain subjects were going to have a space to air their view. I do not let anti gunners, anti trappers or anti hunters post their views here. They are just plain not welcome. Same for folks who are pro gay. You are not welcome to post such views on this site.

If that offends you then you're probably on the wrong site. Get over it or go elsewhere.

On other less controversial topics or topics which do not offend the sensibilities of Christian families disagreement and discussion of both sides is usually fine. But some topics I'm just not going to give both sides time and space to spout their views.

jh45gun · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2006, 09:52:10 AM »

And that is all I was trying to accomplish guys I was not trying to be one sided but knew how GB felt on the subject. Thank you for clearing this up GB. Jim

Keith L · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2006, 11:16:49 AM »

GB also said he reluctantly allowed you to post your thread. Perhaps you should have deferred to GB's wisdom and not posted it. Nothing good will come of it, only an argument. Who needs that?

dukkillr · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2006, 11:32:43 AM »

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GB also said he reluctantly allowed you to post your thread. Perhaps you should have deferred to GB's wisdom and not posted it. Nothing good will come of it, only an argument. Who needs that?

You must not like crossbows during bow season either.

I think GB said my opinion for himself:

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I really don't care what two consenting adults do behind closed doors but when you start pushing it in my face in public I do mind a lot.

That being said, I couldn't care less what Willie sings about. I can differentiate between music I like, and music I don't like. For instance, I like the Dixie Chicks music. Unfortunately I don't want to show support for their loud mouthed lead singer by buying their album. I've got a couple of Willie's albumns, I probably won't buy another one though. I like his classic songs. Honestly, I just don't care that much.

If I boycotted everyone who had views that were different from mine I'd quickly run out of places to shop and things to buy... Sometimes you have to let things slide by...

Graybeard · « **Reply #20 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:25:40 PM »

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You must not like crossbows during bow season either.

Whatzat mean? In fact I do support the use of crossbows during bow season. BUT I do not support such discussions on the Archery forum as I have a separate forum to dicuss crossbow use. Now it's NOT a place for folks who don't want crossbows used to advance their cause. The crossbow forum is for folks who do like them and want them used. The Archery forums are to discuss vertical bows.

If you want to argue against the use of crossbows during bow season do it either on the Pot Bellied Stove Forum, The Humor and Off Topics Discussion Forum or even the Shooting and Hunting General Discussion Forum. Heck even the deer or big game hunting forums are OK places to argue such. I hve no problem with you presenting your arguments for or against using crossbows in bow seasons altho personally I favor it. You are welcome to present both sides of that.

But an anti isn't free to argue against hunting here.

dukkillr · « **Reply #21 on:** February 17, 2006, 12:35:47 PM »

no, sorry GB... that was a tongue in cheek response to a claim jh45gun made against me earlier in this thread... i'm not trying to talk about xbows and I didn't bring it up with that intention... in fact i didn't bring it up at all...

jh45gun used my opinion from a previous thread as an explanation for why I thought this thread would be a waste of energy...

I'm not an anti, and this isn't about xbows... it's about someone else bringing up an old discussion...

jh45gun · « **Reply #22 on:** February 17, 2006, 02:28:53 PM »

Duckillr the only reason I brought it up was because we never were on the same page hell not even the same book in our last discussions so I felt you were just getting even if not thats fine and dandy! Keith if that was the case then why have any forums at all for discussion. I know every one has their view and should be able to discuss this rationally. Letting them know before hand what GB felt about it I felt was the right thing to do now I know I probably made a mistake and not said nothing and let some one say something and let GB delete it but I did not want to go that route if I did not have to.

Keith L · « **Reply #23 on:** February 17, 2006, 03:46:17 PM »

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Keith if that was the case then why have any forums at all for discussion.

You were the one who posted this subject then told the list that anyone who disagreed with you would cause the thread to be locked. Some discussion. I am offended that this subject, pro or con, has been given this much bandwidth. But then this is about your right to express your opinion isn't it.

powderman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 17, 2006, 04:32:21 PM »

I'm really disappointed in Willie. Never woulda figured him to be pro funny bunny.
Whats wrong with some of you guys?? Jh45gun makes a simple statement and you are offended? Grow up. POWDERMAN.

jh45gun · « **Reply #25 on:** February 17, 2006, 06:45:51 PM »

Thanks Charlie I appreciate it.

Keith I do not know what your problem is I explained my reasons and GB backed that up and still you cannot see why I said what I said. Do not know what your problem is Keith as your saying loud and clear what you want to say so who is censoring you? I never said any one who disagreed with ME would cause the thread to be locked only the GB can do that here since there is no moderator for this board. GB stated why there could be a problem with this thread in his opinion. If this thread became a pro gay thread is the only main reason this would be shut down unless it resorted to name calling ect which would probably get both members bounced out of here. All I wanted to do is avoid that and now according to you Keith and others I am the bad guy who wants my way only on the board. Well that is not even close to the truth I do not care what anyone wants to say on the subject. I just tried to give some friendly advice to keep things civil on this thread and it backfired on me. So be it. I have no idea what your problem is with me but I never meant to do anything to tick you or any other member here on this subject. I have appoligised for maybe some bad judgement I really do not know what more you guys want. If you have a issue with not being able to say anything pro gay bring it up with GB its his ruling on this subject.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 18, 2006, 05:31:21 AM »

jh45gun: Sometimes things just "spiral" off into space.
Looks like this is a good time to turn the page as new topics
are surely waiting.
Your explaination/apology is duly noted.

Keith L · « **Reply #27 on:** February 18, 2006, 07:30:31 AM »

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If you have a issue with not being able to say anything pro gay bring it up with GB its his ruling on this subject.

Again you missed the point. If you have to post a message to modify the replies then you need to think about the wisdom of posting the message at all. People who post to get flame wars started are known as trolls and are not welcome on most boards. For a moderator to act like a troll is not good in my opinion. If GB was reluctant to let you post this, as you and he both have said, it would have been smart to not post it. Period. You knew the subject was likely to cause trouble. You posted it. You got roasted.

I agree with Savage .250. Time to move on. I won't be posting on this thread any more. You do what you want.

mitchell · « **Reply #28 on:** February 18, 2006, 07:51:37 AM »

who the heck is Willie Nelson

? and with a name like that he has to be gay, or a raper

powderman · « **Reply #29 on:** February 18, 2006, 05:29:20 PM »

Who's Willie Nelson??? You gotta be kidding. He's one of the most famous ballet stars of the last century. Jeeez, don't ya ever read the papers??? POWDERMAN.