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« on: February 17, 2006, 03:04:33 AM »
will be hunting russains in two weeks. I wll be using my 44 mag for the first part of the hunt but if i cant get close im dragging out the 30-06. I love the remington cor-loks on deer but was wondering if the 180 graineers. will put down a big ol hog, hopfully a 300 lb hog.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2006, 04:40:11 AM »
I asked the same thing in the Handgun Hunting forum. Some people really liked the Federal 300gr Hard Cast as far as Factory ammo was concerned. I will be trying that out of my DW 44 for Hog hunting.

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2006, 06:20:56 AM »
I didnt make my self clear on my first post. I will use 300 grain hard cast for the 44 mag, but was wondering if the cor-loks will work for the 30-06.

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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2006, 10:37:42 AM »
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will be hunting russains in two weeks. I wll be using my 44 mag for the first part of the hunt but if i cant get close im dragging out the 30-06. I love the remington cor-loks on deer but was wondering if the 180 graineers. will put down a big ol hog, hopfully a 300 lb hog.
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I think you will be OK with the 180 cor-loks, Although i would be more comfortable with 200 or 220 grainers for a little more penetration. It may save some tracking, Good luck with your hunt. :D ........Joe...........
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2006, 10:47:59 AM »
For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2006, 10:52:17 AM »
For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2006, 02:06:26 PM »
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For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D


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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2006, 02:35:07 PM »
O. k . from the feed back i got to this post i will site in with some  200 grain bear claws. two years ago i used them and took a 275 lb boar at 70 yrds it did not travel very far and the blood trail a blind man could have followed. was just hoping i didnt need to resight for them, but better save than sorry.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2006, 09:50:05 AM »
I have hunted next to people who have used your '06 set-up, 22" barrels. Factory 180g corelokts took one 200lber with single broadside pass through @50yds, the other was addrenelized and required 3 of the same at the same distance to harvest, all bullets exited, he was quite mad. Another example was with my 200g Rem soft point in .35rem. shot was @50 yds quartering away, that bullet exited as well and put him right down. There are better choices, but if they shoot in a tight group I would'nt hesitate on using them.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 10:36:08 AM »
I don't hunt hogs and never have, yet! But something here just doesn't make scense to me. How is it that a bow and a 44 mag will work well on a hog but a 180 gr bullet from a 30-06 seems suspect?
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 11:57:17 AM »
Take it from experience...shoot em behind the ear and be done with it.  I cannot believe some of the stuff posted on forums.  Jeeze!

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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 05:06:01 PM »
180 rem corlokts are all I use in my '06. It kills 'em just fine. Head shots drop them right there alawys, heart/lung shots drop them right there most of the time. Hogs are tough, not invincible. Aim well and you'll do just fine.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2006, 02:30:54 AM »
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I don't hunt hogs and never have, yet! But something here just doesn't make scense to me. How is it that a bow and a 44 mag will work well on a hog but a 180 gr bullet from a 30-06 seems suspect?


Doesn't make sense to me either.......

Remington Corlokt's have been killing game for well over 100 years.......not to get the premium verses non-premium bullet discussion going again, I simply ask, how dead do you want them?  I like the 220 grain round nose at short ranges because of the velocity it operates at when fired from the 30.06.

Hit any animal wrong and the results would be about the same.........

I remember, as a kid, killing farm raised hogs with a .22 rifle and shorts........right between the eyes always dropped them where they stood.  

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2006, 09:25:59 AM »
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will be hunting russains in two weeks. I wll be using my 44 mag for the first part of the hunt but if i cant get close im dragging out the 30-06. I love the remington cor-loks on deer but was wondering if the 180 graineers. will put down a big ol hog, hopfully a 300 lb hog.
Thanks in advance


The original post asked about Russians.As for as i can tell there are no Russian Boar in the United States. That is the reason i posted the reply as it was. My thoughts were and still are that a 300 lb. Russian Boar might warrent a larger Bullet in weight. I don't aim to step on anyones toes :D ..........Joe........
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2006, 10:40:37 AM »
It is really just simple mathamatics.1-30-06+180grn. Corlokt=PORK CHOPS. :-D
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2006, 03:38:06 PM »
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It is really just simple mathamatics.1-30-06+180grn. Corlokt=PORK CHOPS. :-D


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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2006, 12:40:38 PM »
Okay,my mistake :oops:  I didn't realize you were an expert on russian boar hunting, Sir.And what does Charlie have to do with russian hog hunting? :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2006, 07:45:22 AM »
I agree that a 200-220 grn. bullet would be better but,I really don't think a 180 grn. would fail.I also never before heard of the 30-06 not being enough for hogs. :D
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2006, 08:04:01 AM »
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I don't hunt hogs and never have, yet! But something here just doesn't make scense to me. How is it that a bow and a 44 mag will work well on a hog but a 180 gr bullet from a 30-06 seems suspect?


Doesn't make sense to me either.......

Remington Corlokt's have been killing game for well over 100 years.......not to get the premium verses non-premium bullet discussion going again, I simply ask, how dead do you want them?  I like the 220 grain round nose at short ranges because of the velocity it operates at when fired from the 30.06.

Hit any animal wrong and the results would be about the same.........VictorCharlie got it nailed on the button!!! IMHO  Listen up!!!

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2006, 02:00:52 AM »
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For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D


For a 300 pound russian boar Yea Right.........Joe.............


So explain to all of us oso45-70, why a 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc would not work. Boy I am waiting for this explanation. And please don't turn this into a premium verses non-premium bullet discussion.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2006, 10:20:50 AM »
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For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D


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So explain to all of us oso45-70, why a 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc would not work. Boy I am waiting for this explanation. And please don't turn this into a premium verses non-premium bullet discussion.


Redhawl, No where in my post did i say any thing about a premium bullet not doing its thing. In case you are having a hard time reading my post i am trully sorry. I said that i would feel more comfortable with a 200 or 220 grain bullet. When i say i would be more comfortable it comes from 57 years off hunting big game.......Joe.....
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2006, 12:06:24 PM »
I agree with OSO......a .22 short would work under the right circumstance......at short range, a 220 grain would most likly be running around 2400 fps..........while external ballistics are not certain, some testing indicates the best penetration and expansion occurs from 1800 fps to 2500 fps......any faster and the bullet tends to come apart......move the hog out a little farther and I'd pick a 180 grain.......

A 150 or 180 grain would certainly do the job, but might tend to over expand.......and as a result under penetrate.....unless, of course, it was a Barnes........right Redhawk1?

Hey......if the 150 shoots good then I'd use what I felt comfortable with.....there is no right or wrong, just personal preferance......which, for me..on russian boar....at close range.......would be the trusty old dusty 45.70......as it makes big holes.......while penetrating well.......that doesn't mean another guy might like a .17HMR, or a slingshot......
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2006, 12:17:11 PM »
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For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D


For a 300 pound russian boar Yea Right.........Joe.............


So explain to all of us oso45-70, why a 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc would not work. Boy I am waiting for this explanation. And please don't turn this into a premium verses non-premium bullet discussion.


Redhawl, No where in my post did i say any thing about a premium bullet not doing its thing. In case you are having a hard time reading my post i am trully sorry. I said that i would feel more comfortable with a 200 or 220 grain bullet. When i say i would be more comfortable it comes from 57 years off hunting big game.......Joe.....


Then explain why you put Yea Right under my post, with my post in quotes? I don't have one problem reading your post, but I think you did not see what you wrote, or did I some how misunderstand your response to my post?
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2006, 12:27:43 PM »
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I agree with OSO......a .22 short would work under the right circumstance......at short range, a 220 grain would most likly be running around 2400 fps..........while external ballistics are not certain, some testing indicates the best penetration and expansion occurs from 1800 fps to 2500 fps......any faster and the bullet tends to come apart......move the hog out a little farther and I'd pick a 180 grain.......

A 150 or 180 grain would certainly do the job, but might tend to over expand.......and as a result under penetrate.....unless, of course, it was a Barnes........right Redhawk1?

Hey......if the 150 shoots good then I'd use what I felt comfortable with.....there is no right or wrong, just personal preferance......which, for me..on russian boar....at close range.......would be the trusty old dusty 45.70......as it makes big holes.......while penetrating well.......that doesn't mean another guy might like a .17HMR, or a slingshot......


You got the right victorcharlie,  :D. But if it were me hunting any hog, just like you would, I would be using my 45-70 or one of my big bore handguns. But if I did not have that choice, I would not feel under gunned with a 30-06 with a 180 gr. bullet.  I might not have 57 years of hunting experience under my belt, but I do have enough to know what works and works well. Again shot placement is always key.  :gun4:
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2006, 10:51:38 PM »
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For hogs a good 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc.  :D


For a 300 pound russian boar Yea Right.........Joe.............


So explain to all of us oso45-70, why a 150 to 180 gr. bullet. Nosler partition, Barnes TSX etc would not work. Boy I am waiting for this explanation. And please don't turn this into a premium verses non-premium bullet discussion.


Redhawl, No where in my post did i say any thing about a premium bullet not doing its thing. In case you are having a hard time reading my post i am trully sorry. I said that i would feel more comfortable with a 200 or 220 grain bullet. When i say i would be more comfortable it comes from 57 years off hunting big game.......Joe.....


Then explain why you put Yea Right under my post, with my post in quotes? I don't have one problem reading your post, but I think you did not see what you wrote, or did I some how misunderstand your response to my post?


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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2006, 01:37:48 AM »
Yes I get it, it does not matter if it is a 150 pound hog or 300 pound  Russian boar. You get that!   :coffee:
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2006, 04:38:56 AM »
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Yes I get it, it does not matter if it is a 150 pound hog or 300 pound  Russian boar. You get that!   :coffee:


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It seems to me that you should be Moderating instead of folowing people around trying to create some kind of personal vendata. I thought that a Moderator was to help keep the peace. I am sure you must be at least twenty one years old but you sure don't act it. You must suffer from some kind of insecurity or persacution or delusion of grandure. As far as i know no one cares a hill of beans what you think when you jump off the deep end and start one of your tyrades. It could be the alcohol or some thing.
You have a hard time admitting you have made a mistake and apolagizing for the blunder. Its time to be a man and quit following people around like a troll. You are not helping the cause one bit with your childish behavior.
What i was trying to do in the origanal post was to give the man an honest opinion about the fact that the 180 gr. bullet was to say that it would work fine without being a horses butt and later in the post after you lite into me was to let you alll know that i did not know of any free roaming Russian boar in the United States of America. I really think you have gone too far with this scharade as you have in the past. Stop with the being so egotistical and self centered attitude and try to blend in with the rest of us. You are not God and should not try to be one, It makes you seem like a fool. Like i told you once before you owe someone an apology and that someone is me. Have a great day :D .......Joe.........
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2006, 06:37:16 AM »
oso45-70, I don't owe you anything especially an apology. I was just trying to find out why you said Yea Right, and finally you sort of answered that. Just for the record, I don't drink alcohol. My being a Moderator has nothing to do with this thread, I post here as others do and no where did I step out of line. I did not call you any names I did not lure you into an argument. As far as following you around, this is the only place we have had this discussion. Sorry you can't have a discussion with someone or even answer a simple question. You are the one that seems to be upset. I just answer in bold letters just as you answered me. I do understand there are no real free roaming Russian boars, but he could be going to a high fenced hunt that have big  Russian boars, right?

So take it easy and try to enjoy the thread without blowing a gasket. I don't think we have much more we can say about this, no use dragging it out. :wink:
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2006, 06:47:03 AM »
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O. k . from the feed back i got to this post i will site in with some  200 grain bear claws. two years ago i used them and took a 275 lb boar at 70 yrds it did not travel very far and the blood trail a blind man could have followed. was just hoping i didnt need to resight for them, but better save than sorry.
will post a pic if im lucky enough to take a biggen.
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Let us know how you do and good luck getting a big one.  :D
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2006, 05:54:31 AM »
yes guys i am going to a high fenced canned hunt. they import their pigs from canada and the big ones run around 400lbs. this is a canned hunt and the pigs are so tame you can ride them :)  LOL I thank everyone for their views and made my mind to use the biggest badest bullet i can find :eek: . at $600 bucks for a drop of blood i want to make sure the porks in the freezer. are they real russians i dont know but if they are from europe does it matter, i think they taste the same. a russian boar would only be a hog with balls and shot in russia so we use the term russian boar losely :roll:
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