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Offline Saloon slug

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« on: February 20, 2006, 08:46:31 AM »
How does the buff classic stand up to the other BPCR riffles. I am saving up for one and the accesories to go with i.e dies, brass, boolits, sights, and Goex. Been reading here for awhile and would like yalls inputs on what things I should do/need to make this a good fun rifle.
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2006, 08:58:49 AM »
SS, you can't use the BC for BPCR matches. Some cowboy action side matches and Quigley, but that's about it.

Aside that from that, they are well made for a H&R, mine is very accurate and a hoot to shoot.

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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2006, 09:07:14 AM »
Thanks Ed I have no interest in actual BPCR I just like BP even more so in a rifle. I would use it mainly for hunting and long range plinking in the desert and maybe the ocasionel SASS shoot. How is the recoil? I read on H&R's sight that these are about 8# rifles, Most of the other big boomers are 10-14# i.e the sharps and rolling blocks. Is the weight an issue with BP loads and recoil?
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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2006, 01:16:19 PM »
I don't have a problem with recoil, but some folks are more sensitive. A full load with a 500grn bullet will thump you pretty good. Go up to the H&R centerfire forum and look around. Some folks add shot or lead weights to the butt stock ( just fill the hole up) and notice an improvement. I use a shoulder pad when shooting anything over 1500fps.

Note that some Buffs like large (.459-.460) soft 20-1 bullets, mine seems to like .459 hard cast.

I keep 2 sets of cartridges, one for BP and one for smokeless. I usually fire light loads (100fps) with 405grn lazer cast and unique or xmp5744 for targets, can shoot all day without getting sore.

I use Goex FFP for the bp, about 66grns with a drop tube. Lots of fun, lots of smoke.
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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2006, 01:34:47 PM »
Quote from: E.D. Hill

I keep 2 sets of cartridges, one for BP and one for smokeless. I usually fire light loads (100fps) with 405grn lazer cast and unique or xmp5744 for targets, can shoot all day without getting sore.



Geez Ed, those 100fps loads must make powder last a looooong time......targets too....and you could probably shoot the bullets over again if you can find em laying somewhere short of the 100yd line!!!! :-D  :-D  :-D  :D

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 01:52:44 PM »
SS,
 The factory sights wont get it done on these guns. You'll probably end up changing the back sight, or putting on a lower front sight, unless H&R has finally figured out the sights aren't right, and added a higher rear sight!
 Mine shot 6" low at 100 yds, with the adj. all the way up.
 I found the weight to be a tad too light, but I fixed that by removing the buttplate, and filling the hole in the stock with #8 bird shot. Then replace the buttplate with the shot slightly heaped, and it will keep it compressed a bit. That added about 16 oz. to the weight, and made a nice difference.
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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 02:18:32 PM »
Marlinman93, mine was the same way, but I swapped out the front .584" 17A sight for a .404" and put the Williams FP Target rear sight on it. It's also rechambered to .45-120. With the rear sight all the way at the bottom, it hits anywhere from point of aim at 100yds with 460gr CP to 1½" high or so with 405gr rems and CP WFNGC. I also have a lead filled pipe for the bolt hole and a Galco recoil pad.....plus a Past Magnum  siss....er.....shoulder pad!! :wink:

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 02:49:01 PM »
Quick, I get my best groups at 100fps. I was shooting 1100, but found at 100 I can scamper down ahead of the bullet, and adjust the target as necessary!!
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 03:01:13 PM »
Ahhh, I knew there was a good reason for that low velocity!!! Reduced recoil, too I bet!!!! :grin:

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 11:02:58 PM »
saloon slug if you wont the buff to shoot well then get the 17a .404 front globe. and  ither the williams fp sight, or the smith buckhorn rear sight see pics
the first pic is with the fp sight 2&3 pics are with the smith sight.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2006, 06:50:16 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo
Marlinman93, mine was the same way, but I swapped out the front .584" 17A sight for a .404" and put the Williams FP Target rear sight on it. It's also rechambered to .45-120. With the rear sight all the way at the bottom, it hits anywhere from point of aim at 100yds with 460gr CP to 1½" high or so with 405gr rems and CP WFNGC. I also have a lead filled pipe for the bolt hole and a Galco recoil pad.....plus a Past Magnum  siss....er.....shoulder pad!! :wink:

Tim


 Good looking setup quickdtoo! Where do you shoot? Are you anywhere near Vancouver?
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« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2006, 07:51:47 PM »
Thanks!! I are in Vancouver!! :grin:  I shoot at Clark Rifles when they start opening on Wed and Fri in April, don't care for the weekend crowd if I can avoid it. Used to be an RO there, but the crowds got too serious and 1 RO for 3 ranges is a little too much to be responsible for, specially for an old retired guy!!!

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2006, 02:06:16 PM »
dodd3, where can i find a smith biuckhorn sight ? thanx ************ogo
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2006, 02:35:04 PM »
Ogo, I can answer that for ya if you don't mind. I just ordered one from www.buffaloarms.com They're out of them right now, but I got an email direct from Smith Ent stating they still make it, so it's just a matter of them getting it in stock. Brownell's lists it, but they're out of stock also. I don't know how much Smith sells it direct for, give em an email or call and find out. They're $140 for Brownells and Buffalo Arms.

Tim

http://www.smithenterprise.com/buy/cowboy_products.htm
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2006, 03:03:13 PM »
Quickdtoo,
 I shoot at Douglas Ridge, but live in Portland.
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« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2006, 03:21:41 PM »
I shot at DR once about 10yrs ago, nice range!!

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« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2006, 06:45:30 PM »
ogo got mine direct from smith co cost $140 us .
bernie :D
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2006, 01:43:43 AM »
Quote from: Saloon slug
How does the buff classic stand up to the other BPCR riffles. I am saving up for one and the accesories to go with i.e dies, brass, boolits, sights, and Goex. Been reading here for awhile and would like yalls inputs on what things I should do/need to make this a good fun rifle.


The H&R BC is a very fun and accurate gun. I have shot one with black powder cartridges and the recoil was very manageable. I have been shooting black powder cartridges for about 6 years now in my Shiloh Sharps. I noticed with black powder loads the recoil is more of a push that a sharp recoil associated with smokeless powder. I load 500 to 535 gr. cast bullets and 510 to 550 gr. cast bullets with paper patch. It is a blast shooting black powder cartridges.  :D
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2006, 02:46:17 PM »
Quick,dodd3, thank's for the help but I don't understand how they mount .In dodds3 picture they seem to use the base screws, but the web site shows a dovetail. Do you need a base mount? confused in pa***********ogo
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« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2006, 03:13:48 PM »
Here's a pic of the actual Sight...



http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,4191.htm

I called Buffalo Arms today, they have 15 of the sights on order, but if I were ordering one now, I'd get it direct from Smith!!

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« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2006, 03:18:06 PM »
Man they don't call you Quick for nothing'''''''  thanx much *********ogo
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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2006, 04:52:45 PM »
Dodd's has a peep hole and Quickdtoo's has a notch. Can you choose which you want when you order?
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2006, 05:01:52 PM »
IIRC it comes with a peep slider even tho the pic shows a notch, there are a couple posts about it on NEF forum.

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2006, 01:14:56 PM »
hey thanks for the great info gents now jus to refill the gun fund :grin:
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