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« on: February 21, 2006, 08:39:42 PM »
Link to the Manual   http://www.remington.com/pdfs/ispmanuals/798-799.pdf

I am not a new comer to the Mauser Model 98 action.  In 1961 I killed a large brown phase Black Bear in Alberta’s Peace River Country.  It was in 8mm and the 175 grain bullet did the job with one shot.  I was seventeen years old.  An injured Canadian loaned the rifle to me.  The rifle was his pride, and I took very good care of it.  I inherited a Husqvarna 30-06 after my father-in-law passed away.  It is an accurate rifle, which now belongs to my son-in-law.  Husqvarna built their rifles around a Model 98 Mauser action.  Many manufactures have built rifles on the M98 action or copied the design.  The United States Government paid a royalty on every Springfield Model 1903 it built.  The Winchester Model 70 is a spin-off of the 1903 Springfield.  The U.S. Enfield caliber .30 M1917 is a modified Mauser action.  Remington was the major manufacture of the M1917 service rifle.  The Remington bolt-action rifles were a spin-off of this production.  Other manufactures around the world took advantage of the Mauser development.

The new Remington is built by the Zastava factory.  These rifles were formerly imported under the Charles Daley flag.  If you want to save some dollars you can go to the Charles Daley web page and find who carries their rifles.  You can save a hundred or more dollars from the Remington base price.  Charles Daley says these rifles are updated versions of the old Interarms Mark X, Mini Mark x, and Whitworth rifles.  A friend had a rarely used Whitworth in .375 H&H.    Hopefully the new Remington stock better handles the recoil then the Whitworth did.

  http://www.charlesdaly.com/index.asp

Remington 798 updated the version of the old M98 action that I have used.  The primary difference appears to be a sliding safety on the side of the action instead of the safety on the back of the bolt and a different  stock.  The 799 do not have the traditional M98 extractor.  It has what I believe is a Sako type extractor.  

So Remington’s’ R&D people have continued the tradition of importing this arm.  It is a loss for Charles Daly and a gain for Remington.  Yes, I would like to see it manufactured in the US, but that is not the case.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2006, 08:45:31 AM »
If I didnt already have a CDL-SF ordered, I'd be getting one of those 799's.  I guess it will have to wait until later in the year for a 799.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2006, 09:11:33 AM »
I noticed on the webstie that is not printed in the book they have them calibered in 375 h&h and 458 win mag!!!! :D
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2006, 04:28:46 PM »
Safetysheriff:  When the action was built for Charles Daly it had an adjustable trigger.  I have the Remington Manual downloaded to my other computer.  I will check it later tonight.  Check this link:

http://www.charlesdaly.com/html/products/firearms/rifles/barreledActions/mauserBarreled.asp

The manual says the trigger is preset at the factory and warns against adjustment.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2006, 07:01:26 PM »
All I  can think is that a 7 pound 375 or 458 would cause major brain damage.

MODEL 798™
Caliber Barrel Length Stock Overall Length Avg. Wt.(lbs.) Order No. MSRP*
 .243Win. 22" Brown Laminated 42 1/4" 7 89831 $599
 .308 Win. 22" Brown Laminated 42 1/4" 7 89832 $599
 .30-06 Sprg. 22" Brown Laminated 42 1/4" 7 89830 $599
 .270 Win. 22" Brown Laminated 42 1/4" 7 89833 $599
 7mm Rem. Mag. 24" Brown Laminated 44 1/4" 7 89834 $635
 .300 Win. Mag. 24" Brown Laminated 44 1/4" 7 89835 $635
 .375 H&H Mag. 26" Brown Laminated 46 1/4" 7 89836 $839
 .458 Win. Mag. 26" Brown Laminated 46 1/4" 7 89837 $839

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Siskiyou, the 458 doesn't weigh 7 pounds there is a misprint on the website . I talked to remington and they were aware of it but the person i spoke with said they didn't know the weights . If you go to the website you will see they posted all rifles from 243 to 458 as the same weight (7 pounds)They should be fixing the site soon. Later Tanoose
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2006, 08:56:35 PM »
So the new Remingtons are basically Mausers except for the Extractor, Bolt Face and Safety?  

Using that way of thinking - all Bolt Actions are basically Mausers except for one thing or another.   If anyone really knows Mauser 98s, they would be hard pressed to call the 798 or 799 a true Mauser Action.  To many oldtime Gunsmiths, the 98 Mauser is 'perfection'.

This basic configuration comes out under a different name every 6 or 7 years.  So it seems like it's Remingtons turn this time.

I can see owning a 799.  If I do buy one, it won't be because Remington says it is a Mauser.
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2006, 03:07:55 AM »
Gentlemen, What we have here is what is known as a commercial mauser action. Yes they are the rifles Charles Daly is importing and yes they are the gun that went under the name of Interarms Mark X. I once owned a Mark X in .308. Last week I found a used Charles Daly in 25-06. It was the same (except long action) than my Mark X, and yes it did have control round feed. I read where the Daly is cheaper, there's a reason. If you were to look at one you'll see where the metal is finished only where one can see it. Also although they wear a butler creek plastic stock. They do make a Left coast/Weatherby type roll over cheekpiece/ high gloss finish wood stock version at slightly increased price. While I havn't seen one, and thats the problem availability. They've  been out now for a few years but had trouble getting them into the country. I guess they did the footwork for Remington. I dont care for the laminate stock, but thats not going to stop me from replacing that Mark X I let go all those years ago.  CRASH87

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2006, 03:15:32 AM »
Does anyone know why Remington decided to go with a laminated stock instead of the nice Turkish Walnut stock that was on the Charles Daly mauser rifles?  The Turkish Walnut stocks  look much nicer than a laminated gunstock. Also, does anyone know if they will have a left hand Mauser rifle?
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2006, 03:39:24 AM »
Not sure why they went to the laminate only,  but ever they do PLEASE NO MORE, CHEAP UGLY,   PLASTIC, TUPPERWARE,  PROPERY KNOWN AS COMPOSITE..  i HATE THESE STOCKS.. ONLY GUN IT WHEN GOOD WITH WAS THE AR-15 AND PROTOTYES AND HANDGUNS..Thank you! :D
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2006, 05:36:46 AM »
Siski'

i finally got a look at the Daly site later in the day.  but i am thanking you for posting that link.   i am going back to it.   i like a hammer-forged barrel, and an adjustable trigger.   they are positives in my book, even if so many competitors in long-range shooting used button-rifled barrels.   the button rifling is not as smooth -- generally -- as is hammer forging.  and it doesn't achieve the 'compact grain structure' of the forging process.   the lapping of the button-rifled barrels is what smooths them out in many cases, but you don't get that with a Savage, for example.  

thank you, again,

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2006, 08:30:23 AM »
jvs:  The 798 has the Mauser 98 extractor, the 799 has the Sako extractor.  

The one thing I did not like about the old M98 Husqvarna was the tight clearance between the scope and the safety.  For the guy with a scope the sliding safety is in a better position.

jvs:  You are correct most modern bolt action rifles are modified mauser actions.  

"The United States Government paid a royalty on every Springfield Model 1903 it built. The Winchester Model 70 is a spin-off of the 1903 Springfield. The U.S. Enfield caliber .30 M1917 is a modified Mauser action. Remington was the major manufacture of the M1917 service rifle. The Remington bolt-action rifles were a spin-off of this production. Other manufactures around the world took advantage of the Mauser development."

The Savage 110 Series is another Mauser spin-off.  

Holland & Holland used large Mauser actions for their large caliber African rifles, and other English gun makes also used Mauser actions.  Mauser got it right with the M98.  Gunsmiths have been kept busy for a lot of years modifying the M98 into sporting rifles.  The orginal rifles where not designed for scopes.  

In todays market the orginal M98 action is expensive to manufacture.  Going back to the orginal down fall of Winchester in the 60's highlights manufacturing cost.  The spin-off Model 70 action was basically hand made, and Winchester switched over to cheaper manufacturing methods.  

Ruger over came some of the cost factors by casting their actions.  But Rugers action also takes from the orginal Mauser design.  

If you want an orginal M98 one of the sporting goods stores is advertising a 8mm Bolt action Yugoslavian Rifle.  The add says it includes bayonet, scabbard, sling & ammo pouch. *Mauser action.  Regular price is $219.99, sale price $129.99.  Now that I look at the price maybe $599.99 is not to much for a new rifle, scope ready, laminated sporting stock with recoil pad.  To turn one of these old M98s into a true sporting rifle would cost some bucks. A few things on the short list:

Turn down bolt handle for scope use.  $50
Tap reciever for scope mounts.         $50
Sporting stock.                                  $100+
Headspace check                               $50
Recoil pad                                         $32.95
Recoil pad Install                                $30.00

Cost of work differs with each shop.  Some shop will not even touch a job now if the shops base rate is not charged.  

The 8mm round is good.  I killed a bear with one.  In the hands of the owner that rifle killed a lot of moose, bear, and a few elk.  But suddenly you are ordering a new barrel in another caliber for the rifle.  The cost just keeps adding up.

Back when I was a kid the area I lived in had a lot of deer, but very little money.  An unmodified military rifle in the field was not uncommon.
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2006, 09:09:02 AM »
The following information is gleemed from "Rifle Sporting Firearms Journal," November 2001 No 198.*

*K.B.I. announces the intial shipment of new Charles Daly Mauser action rifles.  Formely imported into the United States by Interarms as the Mark X Viscount, Mini-Mark X, and Whitworth rifles.

The article goes on to say that Field Grade rifles will be offered with synthetic stocks.  Superior Grade rifles will be offered with a select Walnut stock.  The Superior Grade rifle will be offered with a highly polished action and barrel.

_____________________________________________________________

So it appears that if you buy the basic plastic stock model the finsh is going to be rougher.  Pay more and you will get a nice finished firearm.

So we know Remingtons' version will have a laminated stock, but what "grade" will the action and barrel be.  It might fall between the two K.B.I./DALY versions.  Or will be one of the existing metal finishes?

http://www.eastcountyguns.com/cfcdalyrifles.htm
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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2006, 07:30:19 PM »
Interesting link to the manufacture.  Different arms and history.

http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2006, 08:42:19 PM »
I actually have been toying with the idea of buying an original 8mm M98 and changing out the stock.  The 8mm was a good load and should be sufficient for anything I go out for.  

I have known a few old time gunsmiths.  People that came up through the Depression and WWII.  All had great admiration for the M98 and 8mm.  They considered the 98 8mm Mauser as the Grand Daddy of everything modern.
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2006, 08:05:07 AM »
A week or two back Big 5 Sporting Goods was advertising Yogo M98 with the full military get up at a very good price.  I almost ran down and bought one for a demo.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2006, 02:42:44 PM »
Siskiyou, the 458 doesn't weigh 7 pounds there is a misprint on the website . I talked to remington and they were aware of it but the person i spoke with said they didn't know the weights . If you go to the website you will see they posted all rifles from 243 to 458 as the same weight (7 pounds)They should be fixing the site soon. Later Tanoose

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2006, 08:16:37 PM »
tanoose thanks for the information.  I included your information on my post regarding rifle wieght quoting you.
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2006, 02:20:18 AM »
Anyone heard when these rifles will actually hit the stores?  I too noticed the descrepancy with the 375 H&H listing in the 2006 catalog vs. web site.  Wonder if they are holding off for awhile to bring that out???

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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2006, 06:59:29 AM »
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Anyone heard when these rifles will actually hit the stores?  


I heard that it would be sometime mid-summer. Hopefully that is a realistic estimate and we'll have them available before autumn.

Also, FWIW, I own a Charles Daly mauser in 30-06. I picked it up just as they started importing them. The finish isn't the best, but the workmanship on the metal looked good.

The action is solid as a rock (as one would expect from a mauser) and feeds reliably. The only thing I've noticed is that it jams occasionally when I'm trying to cycle through rounds rather quickly. I know that the problem is due to me pulling the bolt off center in haste, and is a bit of a bad habit. When I make a mental note to pull the bolt back and close it cleanly while cycling quickly, the action feeds perfectly.

As for accuracy, I can't really say as I've never really shot it for groups. However, with my 2.5X scope I did manage 3 shot groups with 150 grn Hornady SST's that were under 1.5" @ 100 yds. But this was not under ideal shooting conditions. With a proper bench and more time to allow the barrel to cool between groups I could have done better.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2006, 04:02:51 PM »
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Turn down bolt handle for scope use.  $50
Tap reciever for scope mounts.         $50
Sporting stock.                                  $100+
Headspace check                               $50
Recoil pad                                         $32.95
Recoil pad Install                                $30.00

 
These can be found cheaper if you shop around.  My last project:
Original Rifle (Spanish La Coruna Mauser)                              $75
Reforge bolt                                                                        $30
Walnut Sporter stock w/ buttplate (I'm not putting a pad on)   $70
Low-scope safety                                                                $7
Drill/tap for scope mounts                                                    $32

Headspace check - already had the gauges.  Heck a gauge set from Midway (Go,NoGo,Field) only runs about $45 and it's very easy to check yourself.

$214 (okay, add about $25 for parts shipping ;)) isn't too bad a price for a true-Mauser 8mm sporter.

Of course I haven't shot it yet (scope for it hasn't come in), but the bore looks good :).

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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2006, 06:32:50 AM »
I'm looking forward to seeing one of these.  I'd like to see Zativa continue making SS like they did in the past, but I did not see anything on Remington's site about SS.