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Offline oklahomaman

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« on: March 22, 2003, 01:41:18 AM »
Sorry if this has been discussed but I did a quick search and found nothing.

Has anyone experimented with using toilet bowl wax rings as lube or as a replacement for bee's wax?  And just to kill any rumors now, I'm talking about NEW wax rings! lol

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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2003, 07:39:01 AM »
Yep, I've used the toilet sealant rings for lubricant.
My favorite black powder lubricant --- for felt wads, patches and lead bullets --- is actually a very old factory recipe once used to lubricate .22 rimfire bullets and other outside-lubricated bullets for cartridges such as the .32, .38 and .41 Long Colt.
When I first found the below recipe in a 1943 American Rifleman magazine, I couldn't find real beeswax. So I made a batch with the toilet sealant ring, which is reportedly synthetic beeswax.
It worked fine. Frankly, I can't tell the difference between the synthetic stuff and the real stuff. I don't use the synthetic beeswax anymore because I purchased four pounds of beeswax for $8 nearly two years ago. I'm still using the real stuff.
Perhaps I can't notice a difference because there is comparatively little beeswax in the recipe below. The difference might manifest itself if a greater amount, or straight beeswax, were used. I can't say.
Incidentally, the recipe is:
1 part paraffin (canning paraffin, sold in the cooking aisle)
1 part mutton tallow (sold by Dixie Gun Works)
1/2 part beeswax.
All amounts are by weight. I use a kitchen scale to measure out 200/200/100 grams of ingredients, which nearly fills a quart Mason jar.
I put the ingredients in the jar, then place the jar in four inches of boiling water for a double-boiler effect (the safest way to melt greases and waxes).
Some will argue that paraffin is a petroleum product and should be avoided, since petroleum products typically create black powder fouling that is hard, tarry and difficult to remove.
Paraffin appears to be an exception to this prohibition. A chemist in another website said that canning paraffin lacks the hydrocarbons that other petroleum products have. I don't know about this, but I DO know that the above recipe does NOT produce the hard, tarry fouling associated with other petroleum products.
But back to your original question: Yes, I would use the synthetic beeswax used for toilet rings if it was all you could get. But in the meantime I'd look for a source for real beeswax.
I bought mine at the annual Fort Bridger (Wyoming) Rendezvous during Labor Day weekend. Keep an eye peeled for a rendezvous or a Renaissance Fair in your area. I've often seen beeswax for sale at Ren-Fairs too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2003, 12:18:43 PM »
:wink:   OK guys, let's just make sure that we are only gonna use new Toilet wax rings and that no one is looking to salvage any used ones...talk about a lube that would smell worse than Alox!!! :D

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2003, 04:20:24 PM »
I'd be afraid that my bullets would shoot like crap! (sorry, but I couldn't resist that one!) :)

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2003, 12:25:04 PM »
I have a poor memory, I think.... But I do remember on another list a bunch of chemist types who made it clear that the seal rings are not wax at all and are in fact a petrolium product.  I wish I could say more here but I know most say not to use any petro product with BP unless you want asphalt in your pole.  JB

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2003, 09:52:14 PM »
Been using them for outside lubing my smokeless .310 Cadet loads which are a heeled bullet.  After I have the cartridge completely loaded, I dip each bullet right up to the case mouth in a shallow pan of melted wax bowl ring, shake off the excess and call it done.
I have only shot about 50 rounds using this 'lube' but saw no evidence of any leading and the loads shot great!  The bore cleaned up with two patches and no brushing.  Though I haven't clocked the loads, their supposed to be around 1500fps.

The stuff seems to be a bit on the soft side so it probably won't be worth a hoot once the Oklahoma summer sets in but in the cooler temps, the wax ring is working quite well.

Oh, I have been doing a little research and have pretty much found the same thing, it seems their made of a synthetic bee's wax, petroleum based.

Thanks, oklahomaman.

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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2003, 04:28:45 PM »
OKMan,
  not to pirate this thread, but what does the bore on  your cadet measure?  I have one that's been reamed out to 32-20, did hours of homework, looked for 316 bullets, looked for custom moulds, and then finally got smart.  I went out and loaded up some Lyman 311316 bullets sized them to .313 loaded them over some 2400 and shot the darn thing.  The elevation with the issue sights was off, but the groups run into the 2 inch range with the issues sights!  I still don't know what the bore is, but don't care either.  Have you tried a more traditional bullet in your cadet?

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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2003, 01:01:44 AM »
I am going to look into the 32/20 bullets.  I went out yesterday and it got hot and my bullets 'melted'.  Pretty nasty!  Still shot alright but it just wasn't, as Martha would say, "A good thing".

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2003, 02:34:34 AM »
I have been using them for a bit I use 1/3 Parafin, 1/3 TBR, 1/3 Crisco

Makes a fine lube to pan lube or if you desire to fill a lube sizer.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2003, 04:49:24 AM »
In most lubes the wax is just a carrier for the lubricant. I think you could make a little better lube by adding moly grease or crisco to the wax
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