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Offline SHOOTALL

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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2007, 06:59:16 AM »
I had an XP-100 , the factory installed holes for the front sight were off , the front most was canted to the left and the rear ( XP's came with 2 front mounting locations )hole was canted left . I had a gunsmith drill and tap a new hole half way between the two , in the correct place to avoid cant , well some how he drilled thru. into the bore ! He was a man of honor and ordered me a new gun ! I was shooting in competition at the time , so for the 4 or 5 matches that came up before the new gun arrived I shot the one with the hole thru. the bbl. . The screw that held the sight in place was in the hole , he made sure it was not down into the bore to far . So not having seen the hole in your bbl. it might shoot fine if the new sight covers the hole , my gun did to the point i wanted to keep it as it was , but the smith didn't want a mistake on his part to be out ( good man ) so I traded him anyway ya might shoot it and see ! just an idea !
and a good smith might be able to cut one from a blank I would think ?
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2007, 11:37:22 AM »
Current word is that it should be finished in the next 2 weeks. Something was wrong with the replacement barrel so he's going with tapping and soldering on an extension, similar to a removable muzzle brake just made permanent.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2007, 02:06:55 AM »
great idea !
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2007, 03:22:34 AM »
Shootall, where were you when this all started? Process is too far along now to try your theory. Waiting to see how it come out.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2007, 04:26:17 AM »
Sorry ! haven't been on the site long , the ext. sounds like a great idea !
I didn't have time to read all the above , so I just related what happened to me , in case the hole wasn't toooo big .
I have a mod. 94  in 7x30 waters with a 24 in. bbl that I can't keep a sight in the dovetail  they build them from one extrem to the other !
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2007, 09:41:23 AM »
Hello shootall,, glad to have you aboard! Have you tried tightening the dovetail in the barrel, so the front sight is a better fit?
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2007, 09:56:48 AM »
YEP ! Even center punched the seam between the dovetail and the base of the sight , the bbl. is such a small dia. the sight over hangs off both sides , which shows how little bbl. steel is avaliable to cut the dovetail . Then the sight has to be extra tall since the bbl. is small , which when anything rubs aginst the sight it puts pressure on what little  metal there is to hold the sight ! I think i will soder it in place and be done with it !
thanks for the welcome !
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2007, 08:11:55 PM »
Maybe a bit of soft solder would help..  or perhaps a low ramp with a drilled and tapped filler block to hold it down would help stabilize it. The wide base of the ramp would spread the side load and the filler block could be custom fitted and the screw thru the dovetail on the ramp would hold it firmly..
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #38 on: April 13, 2007, 02:16:48 AM »
Good idea !
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2007, 03:30:54 AM »
OK, I would first check with some of our sponsors to see if they may have barrels available and then just rebarrel the darn thing with a barrel style/contour to your liking.  Failing that I would try the Montana Rifleman - they rebarrel M94s and both the quality of their barrels and their workmanship is excellent.  My Montana Rifleman barrel in 444 shoots better than moa, and that's in a lever action.

Something else that may help - one of my Winnies is a former Black Shadow.  The rifle was a pos when I first got it and went back to the factory twice for repairs and parts replacement before I even put one round down the tube.  I had my gunsmith convert it to a traditional rifle with a full length mag tube, which left me with a neat lookin' traditional rifle with a pistol grip stock.  One problem was the cuts in the barrel made by the factory to install the mag tube hanger and the like.  The gunsmith made up some bedding compound to mirror the color of the bluing (blacking, actually) and used that compound to give the barrel the traditional rifle barrel look without having open cuts and the like.  Then I firelapped the barrel.  She also shoots less than moa at 100 yds with the heaviest thumpers I have shot through it, 330 grainers at better than 2k'/sec. 

If you are going to keep the original barrel, some judicous use of bedding compound may help with holes and dovetail cuts and the like.  Also, if you have a loose dovetail that won't hold whatever goes into it, the bedding compound may help with that.  Just a thought.  Mikey.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2007, 04:18:59 AM »
Thanks Mickey. I'll keep those options in mind.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2007, 10:31:01 AM »
Update, ug!
Still don't have it back.
Current solution is to cut off the end, getting rid of the hole.
Then treading and soldering an extension on the end, muzzle brake without the holes.
Supposedly was to be finished back in June, no word yet.
I haven't called either for lack of funds, scared to know what the bill is.
Obviously it's not done or he'd be calling to collect his money.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2009, 11:47:35 AM »
Just had to bump this and give an update.
Just got the gun back, 3 years later.
Completely untouched.
Got the brush off from the guy I'v done business with for years.
Now the new excuses, it becomes an illegal rifle after cutting up till it's fixed so know one he know's wants to touch it.
I should go find a barrel for it and have it replaced, but he's not offering any services to help. Now it fine to do a barrel replacement, no twisting issues.
I just tried finding a barrell, either it's complete custom ($400.00) or a 30/30 or 32 spl.

Is the barrel extension that bad an idea that gunsmiths won't do it? Or is he feeding me a line of bull?

Barrel replacement, if I settle on going with a 30/30 or 32 what other issues come up?
Extractors, mag tube, the fact that it's angel eject?

Input much appreciated again.

Thanks,
Wayne
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2009, 03:46:49 PM »
Has the barrel been cut short now?  If not, just make up a sleeve with a front sight on it, press it on and put some silver solder on it.  It will be fine.  Larry
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2009, 04:42:01 PM »
No cuts. It's in the same condition as I gave it to him 3 years ago.
Make a sleeve? Out of what?
Press it on?
Remember the barrel band that holds the mag tube is right in front of the sight, so I don't see increasing barrel diameter would work.
The short barrel and full length mag tube complicates things.
Thanks for the suggestions just need more details.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2009, 04:49:24 PM »
Can you take off the mag tube band and drive on a band to cover the hole?  How about just relocating the mag tube band or adding another one to cover the hole?  Silver solder a front sight over the top of the hole?  Every gas operated gun out there has a hole into the barrel, I just don't see it as an issue if you plug it up.  Larry
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2009, 05:55:52 PM »
It could be done, a sight band from a swedish mauser just fits over the barrel.
The screw holding tension on the band has to fit through a notch cut in the barrel, so no moving the band.
Doing anything over the hole will require filling in the area first where the sight base was welded on, good size notch now. That raises the issue of keeping the bore smooth, which it as been suggested to fill then counter bore past the filler.
Discussion to this point is that any filler would not be strong enough bond to hold the pressure exerted by the gasses, it's different if you want to bleed off some gas on purpose.
I am reconsidering the idea of filling the notch, slip the mauser front sight band over, use the index screw in the base to lock it in place then modify the sight base to accept a modern dovetail front sight.
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2009, 07:01:00 PM »
If you cover it all with a band of some sort I think anything including soft solder filling the hole and barrel notch will work fine.  I think shotguns runs near the same pressures you are seeing and they have brass screws into the bore for the front sight bead.  I really think you are way over worrying the problem.  Larry
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Re: Ruined 94 Barrel, Replacements???
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2009, 02:27:19 PM »
We all make mistakes, even so called gunsmiths. Its a bit tough to give advice without seeing your problem, but I would not give up on that barrel so quickly. The problem I see is how to put a sight on it without it interfering with the slot/port. That problem aside, I would try to deburr the slot on the inside of the barrel, maybe with a lead lap or steel wool on a rod. Be careful to avoid belling the muzzle. Now you have a ported gun, no big deal. I think your going to find if it is deburred, it will practically no effect on accuracy. I might try to move the new sight away from the slot and soft solder it on. In your case, the shape of the port will be of no consequence, very little velocity will be lost and maybe no accuracy loss.
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