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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2006, 02:32:01 AM »
I have been reloading since the mid-60s and have gotten to the point where the only ammo I load up is what I cannot purchase from surplus.  With mil-spec ball in 45, 9mm, 223, 7.62x39 and 7.62x25, 06, 6.5x55 and 8mm it is difficult to realize savings from reloading.  However, everything else is a reload and those reloads cannot be found commercially and that is where the real savings come in.  Mikey.

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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2006, 12:25:04 PM »
Actually, I have seen at Gun Shows in the past year, where in addition to the calibers you name, there is some bulk 7.62 Nato (which is close to 308 Win but not exactly the same), 30-06 and 7.62x54R that is hard to beat as to price on reloading.

I use to reload everything as a point of pride.  I have now stopped reloading 9mm, 7.62x39, and only reload about half of the 7.62x54R that I shoot.

Just too many demands on my time and I would rather spend some of that limited time at the range than at the reloading bench.

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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2006, 02:46:04 PM »
all kinda thoughts here.why not mine.some of these folks have more guns to load for then they have time to do.including myself.and as many different calibers they and I have.I don't see savings coming about any time soon.but when I started out many mango season ago.there was big savings to be had.My dad gave me an ole herters press and some dies even an ole lead melting pot and a couple molds even a sizer lubercater .all I needed was brass,lead, powder and primers.and time.I went to the police range and they hooked me up with plenty .38spl brass.then hit the tire shops and scored wheel weights.heck if I saw one laying in the street I stopped and picked it up.then I went to the gun club and bought some bulleye powder and primers.I made lots of bullets in the melting pot and sized and lubed a bunch.then would spend all evening loading.I shoot a bunch.as I was trying out for a pistol team that I made.then practicing for matches and shooting the matchs.I think even if I had to buy the stuff my dad gave me..my saving would have been great.But like I said, for some today.its just a hole in your shop that you throw money in.and the rewards at least for me are great.and very self satisfing.but when ya start and figure I need this much space for reloading.just go ahead and times it by 7....you will be glad ya did..
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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2006, 09:35:52 PM »
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You are doomed. Next you're gonna say "I can save even more, all I need is the coleman stove/hot plate I already have, a $2 stainless steel pan from a yard sale, I can make a ladle from one of the big serving spoons from Wally World for $.50, wheel weights are free so the only thing I have to buy is a Lee mold for $20. I can pan lube with toilet rings and crisco so I can now have 10,000 bullets for less than $25."
Sounds good, doesen't it!!?? Every word of it true


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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2006, 07:11:41 AM »
You may not save a lot of money on reloading, but you can save a lot of sanity by being out of the house and sitting quietly in front of a reloading bench concentrating on your reloading.  I do it more for that, than the money saved.
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2006, 04:11:32 PM »
I'm slipping deeper into madness.

I just picked up a lead pot and dipper, still have not made up my mind which bullet mold to get.

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2006, 04:35:58 PM »
Dirty,

A 158gr Semi Wad Cutter is really hard to beat for a "1-bullet-do-all" for the 357 and Lee molds work well if you take the time to learn to use them.
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2006, 08:39:53 PM »
Butler, Do you see any problem with shooting semi-wadcutters in a levergun?

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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2006, 01:19:20 AM »
Yup, they hang up on everything.  
I guess I should have heard the question before giving the answer, huh?
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2006, 03:51:14 AM »

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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2006, 12:51:01 PM »
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=188719

Would be my preference. It allows for better crimping which in turn allows the sharp edge of the case to be rolled in a little which eliminates the squared edges from hitting anything, elevator, breach wall, all the little things that cause frustrations.  When using lead bullets, my preference is the wide meplat, long story but I really believe that mine is the better bullet.  It is my final choice for 357's in a mid weight bullet and it goes through lever guns like poop through a goose.
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2006, 02:22:03 PM »
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I have never been around anybody reloading rifle cartridges and was wondering if there is a big $$savings or is it to get better performance out of the cartridges. I shoot a 7mm-08 encore pistol 15 inch barrell.


Reloading can save you money depending on a few factors..

1) How many rounds of ammo you will produce..

2)  The total cost of your equipment

3) Your preference in components..

4) How many reloads your getting...

5) How fast are you going to shoot up your supples..


If you start out with a grand investment of $500-$600 for all of your equipment and reloading supplies..It will take you a awhile to amortize your cost of the equipment.. Even the most expensive equipment can be figured this way....and you will still wind up owning the eqipment..and then you can start realizing the potintial savings..Some equipment will cost a-lot more than others types..buying the cheapest isn't always the best idea..so..take that into account as well.

What you'll eventually start doing once you become good at it.. is to build custom crafted ammo specifically taylord for your rifle's and if you shoot a-lot..you'll notice it is much cheaper for you to do this than to have to pay for this type ammo to shoot....The better the ammo..or in this case custom crafted ammo..will typically run between $30-$60  for a box of 20 rounds..some cost more,and some cost a little less..If you only plan on shooting 1 box or less during the year..I would opt to buy it over handloading..bit if you plan to do a-lot of shooting...something everyone neeeds to do to become proficient.. then the savings will be realized much sooner...Bear in mind..you'll most likely want to upgrade your equipment and add new toys(err..reloading equipment)..to what you already have..and you'll try new equipment you don't like..so yes..you will be spending money over the long hall..but you'll still be making custom ammo for your rifle with it...and good custom ammo isn't cheap...and you still wind up with the equipment..



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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2006, 02:54:22 PM »
Quote from: ButlerFord45
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=188719

Would be my preference. It allows for better crimping which in turn allows the sharp edge of the case to be rolled in a little which eliminates the squared edges from hitting anything, elevator, breach wall, all the little things that cause frustrations.  When using lead bullets, my preference is the wide meplat, long story but I really believe that mine is the better bullet.  It is my final choice for 357's in a mid weight bullet and it goes through lever guns like poop through a goose.


Thanx for the guidance. I will get that one.

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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2006, 12:24:51 AM »
It would be if I still shot the same amount of ammo. But now that I can save half what it used to cost, I shoot 4 times as much. ha ha ha

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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2006, 10:39:34 PM »
Really depends on what you are loading for.

Don't matter how much you shoot, if you are reloading for obscure calibers/loads you will save lots of money.

I started reloading rifle after I purchased my first 2 boxes of ammo for my 460WBY.

After reloading my first 200 rounds for this rifle I paid for all my reloading equipment.

ThatÂ’s just one example of how you can really save money.

But if you are reloading for 9mm well you won't save much money at all if any.

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« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2006, 02:39:25 AM »
Once you have the basics: a press, scale, powder measure, tumbler, trimmer, caliper etc. - each additional caliber is pretty much purchasing a set of dies. You can get dies (on average) for about the price of a box of cartridges. If you are happy with loads that are as accurate as factory rounds there usually not to much load development needed. If you are trying to get every last bit of accuracy from your loads and buy every powder, primer and bullet to achieve the goal it can get very expensive.

It depends on what you want to get out of the reloading process. As for me, I save a bunch. As an example I have a Carcano - check out the price of a box of Hornady cartridges for a Carcano. I can easily make them up for 1/4 of the price and mine shoot better also.

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« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2006, 01:18:16 PM »
After reading this thread, I did a cost comparison of my reloading 1000 round of 9MM pistol vs. buying 1000 rounds of Winchester White Box.

I bought my primers locally for $16.00/1000.  I bought my powder locally for a bit less than $93.00/8 LBS of Titegroup.  I ordered in 1000 147 grain FP bullets from:

http://northeastbullet.com/

This breaks down to:

1.6 cent per primer
3.6 cents per bullet
.017 centss per grain of powder

Since I need 3.8 grains of powder to charge the load I use, this works out to .06 cents per charge.  So my cost per round is:

1.6 cents +s 3.6 cents + .063 cents = 5.83 cents/round

Multiply this times 1000 rounds in a box  = $58.30 per 1000, if I did my math right.

If I ordered a case of a thousand from the ammunitiosnstore.com, it would cost me right at $130.00 plus about $8.00 for shipping for a total of $138.00.  

This is on the cheapest selling pistol ammo you can buy.  I save about $80.00 per thousand rounds.  At that rate, if I shoot, I can save enough money to pay for my reloading hobby pretty darn quickly.  And since I love to shoot and would be shooting anyways......

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« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2006, 04:24:08 PM »
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If I ordered a case of a thousand from the ammunitiosnstore.com, it would cost me right at $130.00 plus about $8.00 for shipping for a total of $138.00.  

This is on the cheapest selling pistol ammo you can buy.  I save about $80.00 per thousand rounds.  ...


Around here I can by 1,000 rounds of 9mm ammo for under $100 at the gun shows.  I've pretty much quit reloading 9mm for that reason.  Still load defensive ammo on my single stage, don't have a progresive.  Considering the time required to build 1,000 rounds on the RockChucker, I'd be better off working minimum wage somewhere and buying the ammo.
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« Reply #48 on: March 21, 2006, 04:36:27 AM »
DaveinOakwoodGA, Thanks for the figuring, I've always been too lazy to do so but just off the top of my head, with the price of ammo nowdays I bet your right on the money.   Plus, like you, I can load 45LC and 44Mag lite loads with Titegroup that can't be bought retail.

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« Reply #49 on: March 21, 2006, 04:58:42 AM »
Quote from: DaveinOakwoodGA
 I ordered in 1000 147 grain FP bullets from:

http://northeastbullet.com/

So my cost per round is:

1.6 cents +s 3.6 cents + .063 cents = 5.83 cents/round

Multiply this times 1000 rounds in a box  = $58.30 per 1000, if I did my math right.

If I ordered a case of a thousand from the ammunitiosnstore.com, it would cost me right at $130.00 plus about $8.00 for shipping for a total of $138.00.  

This is on the cheapest selling pistol ammo you can buy.  Dave



Let's take a look at the comparison.  

The northeastbullet company makes hardcast lead bullets.   The Winchester whitebox has jacketed bullets.

I handload and for some rounds like using cast bullets.  They make as nice or nicer holes in paper and in some calibers make dandy hunting ammo.  There is nothing wrong with shooting cast lead bullets either home make or commerically manufactured.

They are ususually a lot less expensive than jacketed bullets.  I would also point out that there are lots of places that sell Wolf and other eastern block brands of 9mm bullets for under $100.  The lower cost of "lowest costs jacketed ammo" and the higher cost of "jacketed bullets" will bring the two cost numbers much closer together.

Another difference is "new brass" in the Winchester white box versus used brass.  You will note in the above pricing that there is zero cost assumed for brass.  There are a number of ammo remanufactures out there like Black Hills Ammo and others.  At gun shows I see some of their products.  For some rounds, mostly revolver rounds, I can buy cast lead "remanufactured" ammo in old army ammo cans for about half the price of commericial ammo.  This is perhaps a more "equal" comparison to the handloaded cast bullets being priced out above, and remember that you can sell your used brass, so it has some value.

Having said that, I still reload, even for 32ACP or 32 Auto, which is a very strange thing to do.  However, to me reloading is a hobby.  At times in my life, when I get real busy, I scale back on my hobby of reloading so I can keep some range time.  When that happens, I cut back on things like 9mm, 357 Mag, 38 special, and 32 Auto.  Things that I can purchase relatively cheaply and that shoot well.

Life is about choices, but comparisions should be fair ones.

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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2006, 07:16:20 AM »
I have calculated the cost of handloading. If you reload only a few rounds for sight in and hunting, you are going to spend much more than it would cost to go out a buy a box of premium cartridges now and then. It will take you a very long time to amortize the cost of your press, dies, scale, powder measure, etc. etc. Your costs are also influenced by the cost of components. I don't know about other handloaders, but I buy bullets that are high quality because I don't want to waste my time loading inferior cartridges. The bullets I use are better than the low priced factory ammo uses, and on a par with their premium stuff. I like accurate ammunition. I've learned that I can nearly always load ammunition which will shoot more accurately in my rifles than the best of the premium stuff. What is accuracy worth? Lastly, if handloading is entertainment, which it is for me, the value of that entertainment should be used to defray the costs. Other forms of entertainment can be expensive. On the other hand, if handloading is a dreaded chore for the shooter, the time spent doing it should be added to the cost.

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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2006, 10:57:39 AM »
Robert357,

I'm posting this to answer some of the items you mentioned in your post for intellectual purposes only.  I'm concerned I might in some way offend you and if I do so, I sincerely apologize in advance.  This posting is a "think about it" response related to the concerns you brought up and I thought were very worthy of debate.  Hence I answered.

"The northeastbullet company makes hardcast lead bullets.   The Winchester whitebox has jacketed bullets.

I handload and for some rounds like using cast bullets.  They make as nice or nicer holes in paper and in some calibers make dandy hunting ammo.  There is nothing wrong with shooting cast lead bullets either home make or commerically manufactured."

This is just my opinion, but to me, it makes no never mind what the bullet material is when you're shooting to punch holes in paper and want economy, often the reason for reloading is economy.  One of the reasons one uses lead.  I fully understand all issues related to lead and have taken steps to process it.

"They are ususually a lot less expensive than jacketed bullets.  I would also point out that there are lots of places that sell Wolf and other eastern block brands of 9mm bullets for under $100.  The lower cost of "lowest costs jacketed ammo" and the higher cost of "jacketed bullets" will bring the two cost numbers much closer together."

I dunno about you, but I'm not using that eastern block steel cased stuff in anything but my semi auto AK-47.  I'm a gunsmith and I see the results of shooting a lot of steel cased ammo - busted and prematurely worn parts on guns with low round counts.  The brass cased eastern bloc ammo is significantly more expensive than the steel case from what I'm seeing, closer in price to the Winchester White box, but the brass usually isn't as good, though sometimes it is.  I couldn't and didn't try to find the cheapest price for 9MM, but merely a representative one.  There are cheaper, there are more expensive, but I am reasonably sure most are more expensive to purchase by some amount.

"Another difference is "new brass" in the Winchester white box versus used brass.  You will note in the above pricing that there is zero cost assumed for brass.  There are a number of ammo remanufactures out there like Black Hills Ammo and others.  At gun shows I see some of their products.  For some rounds, mostly revolver rounds, I can buy cast lead "remanufactured" ammo in old army ammo cans for about half the price of commericial ammo.  This is perhaps a more "equal" comparison to the handloaded cast bullets being priced out above, and remember that you can sell your used brass, so it has some value."

I don't assume any cost for brass because for most rounds I shoot, particularly pistol rounds, such as the 9MM I shoot, I don't have any costs, because I use brass I paid for in factory ammo loads or I got free at the range as pickup brass.   So no, it isn't new brass, but it is "reloadable" which is part of the reason to reload ammo.  "SAVE money by re-using (reloading) brass that's already paid for.

I've shot some of the better commercial reloads.  It's good stuff, but it isn't as accurate as my own handloads in my firearms and it while the cost is closer, it's still more expensive and with a progressive press, the time spent reloading isn't that much.  Though I must admit, it's time I really enjoy, away from the boob tube and fills time once filled by children since my kids are grown and gone off to college.

"Having said that, I still reload, even for 32ACP or 32 Auto, which is a very strange thing to do.  However, to me reloading is a hobby.  At times in my life, when I get real busy, I scale back on my hobby of reloading so I can keep some range time.  When that happens, I cut back on things like 9mm, 357 Mag, 38 special, and 32 Auto.  Things that I can purchase relatively cheaply and that shoot well."

I tend to reload during the winter months, building up a stock of ammo to carry me through the summer months, where I stockpile my own brass and pick up once-fired range brass as I go.  The nasty thing is the competitive shooting, where one can pretty quickly eat up several thousand rounds in a month's time.  Hence the need for a progressive.

"Life is about choices, but comparisions should be fair ones."

Life is about choices, but life isn't fair, never has been.  The example was to illustrate how one can save money on shooting, even on some of the cheapest to buy cartridges.  It wasn't about a "fair" competition, it was about saving money.   I wasn't trying to be fair and I'm reasonably sure if the manufacturer's could put reloading equipment companies out of business by offering inexpensive ammo, I'm sure they wouldn't be fair about it either.

The more money I can keep in my pocket and not in the pockets of manufacturer's, the better.  I can then use that money in other ways to better my own life.  If one wants fair, one need only to go coach little league, where everything really  should be fair, but usually isn't.  (I know, I coached llittle league baseball and football for years.)

I betcha all of us could use a little more of our money back in our own pockets.

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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2006, 07:16:49 PM »
Dave;

Very well said.  The point I was really trying to make is that for someone reading the thread and new to reloading, the cost comparision between factory ammo with jacketed bullets to cast lead bullets, powder and primer, might be misleading.

Yes, reloading can make things a less expensive, especially if you don't have to pay for some of the components (brass) or if you are into things like casting your own bullets from wheel weights.  I also buy cast lead bullets when I reload for my Ruger 45 (Long) Colt.  They are a lot less expensive than jacketed bullets.  I have thought about casting lead bullets, but that is more hobby than I want to undertake.

On the other hand, even though I have ocasionally reloaded for an SKS and an MN, I don't think I can reload for less cost than I can buy 7.62x39mm or 7.62x54R in bulk from eastern block countries.

You obviously shoot a lot more than I do and it really sounds like your stockpile your ammo during the winter.  If you have free winter time and you do reloading as a hobby, great!

While I wouldn't waste money, I do at times decide to pay for someone to change the oil in my car.  When I was younger I always changed the oil myself.  Now I almost always pay someone to do it for me.  There are other things I am willing to pay for even if I could save money by doing it myself.  Somethings are hobbies.  I do like reloading most of the time, but sometimes I get real busy and to buy myself a little more range time, I will purchase remanufactured ammo at a gunshow.

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« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2006, 01:33:36 AM »
Robert,
"The point I was really trying to make is that for someone reading the thread and new to reloading, the cost comparision between factory ammo with jacketed bullets to cast lead bullets, powder and primer, might be misleading."

Ah, that makes sense.

"Yes, reloading can make things a less expensive, especially if you don't have to pay for some of the components (brass) or if you are into things like casting your own bullets from wheel weights.  I also buy cast lead bullets when I reload for my Ruger 45 (Long) Colt.  They are a lot less expensive than jacketed bullets.  I have thought about casting lead bullets, but that is more hobby than I want to undertake."

After seeing how lead was driven up in price by Clinton and demand for raw materials overseas buying up our surplus, I see why someone might want to roll their own bullets.

"On the other hand, even though I have ocasionally reloaded for an SKS and an MN, I don't think I can reload for less cost than I can buy 7.62x39mm or 7.62x54R in bulk from eastern block countries."

Pretty darn tough to reload for those calibers less expensively.  Though I must say I've greatly increased the accuracy of my Mosins and Finns by reloading.  Amazing what slugging a bore and using the right bullet for the gun will do.

"You obviously shoot a lot more than I do and it really sounds like your stockpile your ammo during the winter.  If you have free winter time and you do reloading as a hobby, great!"

When hunting season is over and it's too nasty weather wise to go shooting, it's something to do.  I should say I don't spend a lot of time reloading, as I have a Hornady Lock N Load AP that makes quick work of any round I'm loading in quantity.  I do piddle around setting up the load initially so I get the best round I can, then I sit down and simply crank them out.  With a round per hour production of 400-500 even without a case feeder, one can set the press up for a caliber, load powder and set out a couple bins of brass and bullets, then when one has time, one can toss in a box of primers and 10-15 minutes later, 100 rounds appear.  I generally do this while I'm waiting during the time guns are sitting in the blueing tanks, etc as "fill in" times.

"While I wouldn't waste money, I do at times decide to pay for someone to change the oil in my car.  When I was younger I always changed the oil myself.  Now I almost always pay someone to do it for me.  There are other things I am willing to pay for even if I could save money by doing it myself.  Somethings are hobbies.  I do like reloading most of the time, but sometimes I get real busy and to buy myself a little more range time, I will purchase remanufactured ammo at a gunshow."

I do pay someone else to change the oil in my car these days, but it has as much to do with me being stiff and uncomfortable crawling under a car as economics.  Add to that the problem of oil disposal these days and it's simply easier to pay someone.  I reload during the winter so I will have a stock that'll last the summer.  It did take me a while to build up enough brass to do that with the calibers I compete with.  During the spring and summer I try to be too busy either fishing or shooting to have time to reload.  Though lately business has been good and I'm having to work late and weekends to keep a reasonable turn around time.

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Dave
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« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2006, 03:36:48 AM »
Here's one for you - a box of 50 56-50 runs $160.00.  Dies and
rest of the components are on the way! :grin:
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« Reply #55 on: March 24, 2006, 09:02:49 PM »
So there's no saving in reloading? :shock:
Gee, I shoulda bought the box of 50 25-20 factory loads for $80 and not worried. :(
YEAH RIGHT!!
Well, maybe where you live!! :roll:
Let's consider how things are in Australia where everything gunwise is freakin' expensive. :(
This is all or Aussie dollars.......or should we call them pesos?! :x
A box of 20 standard centrefire rifle rounds(i.e. not .22 Hornet, .222 or .223) costs at least $22 to $25.
If you buy in bulk you could probably get you first 100 rounds for about $80(if it isn't a magnum or something less common) so it's often not a bad thing to sight in that way and work up a brass supply in much the same manner.
Keep in mind though that if 8x57, 7x57 or a similar capable but anaemically factory loaded cartridge is your choice then those first 100 factory rounds are a waste.
You may as well buy components and start loading straight off.
But lets say $80 for the first 100.
The next 100 however come cheaper.
500grams of powder is about $35 but it'll load about 200 rounds depending on the cartridge so knock that down to $17 per hundred.
Bullets can be between less than $20(cast) and up(more than $100 for real premium pills) so lets say $35 per 100 on average & then there's primers for about $5.
So instead of $80 per hundred you pay.........kerrrching!!! $57!!!  :grin:
Ok, so that's only $23 saving but what about if you like shooting magnums or European cartridges??
Mmmm, those savings begin to mount.
Plus after 1000 rounds with factory ammo you've paid $800.
After 100 factory loads and 900 reloads you've paid $593.
That's $200 toward your next gun if you ask me.
Might even buy you a milsurp. :grin:
And if you buy 1000 primers at a time you save and if you buy bulk bullets you save and the same goes with powder.
The same doesn't really apply with factory hunting ammo even though it may with military stuff.
And how about much more accuracy out of your rifle?
And how about loading for it so its set up for the game you hunt?
Yeah, I've fallen victim to the "let's play" fever too but I reckon I'm still ahead.
But once you've invested the capital all you need is a new set of dies the next time you buy a rifle of a different calibre.
If you're reasonably level headed about it there's still room to play and save if you ask me.
It also tends to placate the wife.
"See honey I saved another $30 on ammo".......... :wink: :mrgreen:

P.S. .25-20 costs $30 for 100 brass, $5 for 100 primers, $30 100 for bullets and 35 for powder.....enough to charge 400 rounds!!!
So at $205 for 400 rounds instead of $640 for 400 factory loads, and that's when I can get the ammo, I'll be sticking to reloading.
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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2006, 04:58:55 AM »
Quote from: kombi1976
So there's no saving in reloading? :shock:
Gee, I shoulda bought the box of 50 25-20 factory loads for $80 and not worried. :(
YEAH RIGHT!!
[snip]
But lets say $80 for the first 100.
The next 100 however come cheaper.
500grams of powder is about $35 but it'll load about 200 rounds depending on the cartridge so knock that down to $17 per hundred.
Bullets can be between less than $20(cast) and up(more than $100 for real premium pills) so lets say $35 per 100 on average & then there's primers for about $5.
So instead of $80 per hundred you pay.........kerrrching!!! $57!!!  :grin:
Ok, so that's only $23 saving .....[snip]
And how about much more accuracy out of your rifle?
And how about loading for it so its set up for the game you hunt?
[snip]

It also tends to placate the wife.
"See honey I saved another $30 on ammo".......... :wink: :mrgreen:

P.S. .25-20 costs $30 for 100 brass, $5 for 100 primers, $30 100 for bullets and 35 for powder.....enough to charge 400 rounds!!!
So at $205 for 400 rounds instead of $640 for 400 factory loads, and that's when I can get the ammo, I'll be sticking to reloading.


I believe that credit has been given to some obsolete obscure calibres as being less expensive to reload.
Your figures leave out quite a bit of expense.
Let's say you've been reloading for 40 years and have already depreciated out your reloading equipment to the point that it is no longer a factor.(Ya gotta admit that's a pretty good gimmie!) and your only hardware expense is a set of dies. Since I'm feeling generous, lets say a set of Lee's for $20.  Around here, dealers won't split containers of powder so we have to go with the full $35.  Even you agree that primers in bulk are less expensive, so just an arbitrary savings of $1 per hundred, call it $40/thousand and we'll use you'r figures for bullets at $35 per hundred.  When we go to the store and lay out our money for the supplies for 100 rounds it comes to a total of $110, but that's ok, we'll have some leftover supplies, right?  It has been my experience that it takes about 40-50 rounds to get you into the ballpark as to what combination is going to work best in your particular gun(and this allows for NO tinkering with seating depth, trim length or any other secret tinker trick to optimize a load).  Optimally you'll have 60 rounds of the best of that particular combination remaining for the mear sum of $110.  I know, I can hear ya already "But, Butler, I've still got components for more!" Sure, you do but realistically how many times have you ever gotten the very best performance out of a gun on the first try?  Lets just cut this short and say that this one wasn't even close enough to be worth trying to fool with(almost but not quite is generally the most expensive area of load building so I'm conceding a big investment here).  What are you going to do with the remaining 60 rounds? Shoot them up so you can have the brass back?  That'll leave you with Zero rounds for your $110 investment.  Pull them and save the components for another project?  You are going to have to buy a puller, there's another $30.  Ok we now have our brass back, what are we going to change first?  Let's look at our goals, we were smart enough to pick a bullet for the calibre/task we want to accomplish, so we're not going to change that yet, we still have 900 primers so we aren't going to change them yet, we sure aren't going to change brass cause these still have 5-20 loadings left in them.  I guess that leaves powder.  Back to the store, another $35 for powder and another $35 for bullets.  Now we're sitting in front of our bench with our $210 investment all ready to start over again so that we can have that perfect 60 bullets for our gun.  Are we starting to make that $80/50 look better??
If you think that you are going to buy a pound of powder, 100 primers, 100 bullets and a Lee Classic and be satisfied with the results??  Prepare for a MAJOR dissappointment!!!!  It ain't going to happen.  If you're looking for the very best your gun can do, half a dozen powders for each of a half dozen different bullets ignited by at least three different primers (literally thousands of combinations) would be the minimum!  If you're satisfied with mediocre performance you could probably reduce this by 2/3's but even at that the costs are substantial.  When you finally determine "this is the load" after a few hundred to a few thousands of rounds (depending on the calibre) you can start producing loaded ammunition for less than you can buy it off of the shelf.  That is if you only have the one gun you're reloading for!  If you have more, frequently you can share components for even greater savings!! For example: 308, 30-06, 300 Win Mag. They share a lot of components  I can now by primers in 10,000 lots and save more and lots of the powders overlap so I can buy that in 8# tubs, there is a pretty good savings there too!  They can use some of the same bullets so I can buy bullets by the 1000's and now I'm saving myself straight to the poor house!!
Don't forget about us poor souls that have gotten so hooked on this drug that we go out and buy some obscure piece of junk that nobody makes ANY thing for just so we can make our own brass, have a mould made so we can start casting(more expense) so we can find out for ourselves that this thing is obsolete/obscure for a reason=there is nothing you can do to make it shoot well.
I could talk about all of the money I save by reloading for days, all while pulling the handle on my press, but typing this is cutting into my money saving scheme so I'll end with this:
I stand by my original reply: "There is no savings to be had by reloading, you just get to shoot a WHOLE lot more for the same cost"

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« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2006, 06:14:52 PM »
Butler, let's not muck around.
Those of us that save the most and benefit the most from reloading are those who SHOOT the most.
Would I shoot as much if I had to pay for factory ammo?
Of course not.
Would I buy obscure cals if I couldn't reload for them?
No.
Would I often feel frustrated and cheated because those financial constraints cut back the amount of shooting I could enjoy.
Without a doubt.
I've been shooting only a few years and have reloaded from the beginning and despite this I've seen the benefits of reloading financially and in terms of skill development.
I wouldn't be HALF as good as I am today if I'd had to fork out wads of cash for ammo to practise.
I don't count myself as anything to write home about but if I hadn't had the benefit I'd be like those guys who shoot once a year before they hunt.
Y'know: they shoot 20 shots in a local quarry and manage to put 3 of them in widely divergent spots on 44 gallon drum.
Reloading encourages you to shoot more but then you can save lots of money by not shooting at all.
Why not sell your guns too........you'll probably come out ahead!
If you want to find ways to spend less OVERALL then reloading probably doesn't save that much, if any, but shot for shot it is cheaper.
Remember too that reloading can be as cheap as a Lee Loader, powder scales and a loading block.
Other little periphals like a case trimmer can cost a little more a little later on but plenty of guys have started small & stayed small to keep their setup and costs down.
As far as I'm concerned "There is no savings to be had by reloading, you just get to shoot a WHOLE lot more for the same cost" is an oxymoron.
How can you shoot lots more for the same price if it wasn't any cheaper? :roll:
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« Reply #58 on: March 26, 2006, 07:05:35 AM »
Quote from: kombi1976
Butler, let's not muck around.
Those of us that save the most and benefit the most from reloading are those who SHOOT the most.
Would I shoot as much if I had to pay for factory ammo?
Of course not.
Would I buy obscure cals if I couldn't reload for them?
No.
Would I often feel frustrated and cheated because those financial constraints cut back the amount of shooting I could enjoy.
Without a doubt.
[large snip]
If you want to find ways to spend less OVERALL then reloading probably doesn't save that much, if any, but shot for shot it is cheaper.
[smaller snip]
As far as I'm concerned "There is no savings to be had by reloading, you just get to shoot a WHOLE lot more for the same cost" is an oxymoron.
How can you shoot lots more for the same price if it wasn't any cheaper? :roll:


DISCLAMER:  This thread has been entertaining and I'm being arguementative just for fun.

The question wasn't "Is it cheaper to reload" ie can you shoot a semi trailer full of reloaded rounds for the same price as a pickup truck of factory.  Answer: Probably, at least close.

The question was "Is there any savings(money you do not spend)....."  Answer: Not a snowball's chance in He!!.

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« Reply #59 on: March 26, 2006, 09:46:33 AM »
Its been said different ways by different people but the answer is the same.  I reload because I like to shoot ALOT.  And we can play with the numbers any way we like . . . and we do :lol: .  I figured it this way.  My 2 boys and I were going on a hunt out west for antelope.  In our area of Michigan, hunting in the woods, you are probably not going to get a shot over 50-60 yds (and that is if you cut a shooting lane).  We needed to do lots of practice to get consistent out to 200-300 yards.  I like decent ammo (and without mentioning names) if figured "decent" ammo for 7mm, 30-06 and 7m-08 was going to run me on average 22.00 a box.  If I could reload for 14.00 a box I save 8.00 a box.  If we shot enough boxes of reloads we would save enough money to pay for my reloading set up.  Never mind the extras as they are not part of my equation anymore than optics, clothing, treestands etc... are part of the equation that makes venison cost about 18.00 a pound instead of basic beef at 2-3.00 dollars a pound.

I don't know . . . make sense to me :wink:

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