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Offline Questor

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« on: March 02, 2006, 11:05:29 AM »
Have you had to deal with a situation where, due to age, a geezer friend is getting too forgetful and careless in his loading?  How'd you get hm to quit before blowing himself up?
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2006, 11:11:11 AM »
Tell him he is being careless and you are concerned for his well being.  :D
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2006, 07:58:48 PM »
Maybe you should ask him to let you come over anytime he wants to do some loading, so you can either give him a hand, or "pick up some pointers" from him.  If he balks at the idea, then explain your concern as a friend.  Hopefully, he would get the hint and jump at the opportunity to share his handloading time with a friend, without you having the awkwardness of explaining that he needs help to stay safe.  Good Luck, and thanks for trying to help an aging friend.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2006, 03:47:28 AM »
Man Questor......that's a tough one.......I'm thinking that if your right, he probably already knows it.........I don't envy you on this one!
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2006, 06:57:17 AM »
Most geezers would jump at the opportunity of having someone spend some time with them.  For whatever reason.  Then it would be a matter of gradually taking over the reloading.  Don't take the reloading away from him and just leave a hole in his day.  Most geezers are aware that they aren't hitting on all cylinders at all times and don't mind being GENTLY reminded of things they've forgotten.  
I agree, tough call.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2006, 07:52:40 AM »
yeppers that is hard...and it comes to a point in time where enough is enough.just like telling them they can not drive any more.my dad lives with me and my family now.went and picked him up in fl. 3 years ago.packed a couple card board boxes up and a suit case.drove him 3000 miles to my place.put all new locks on his house and an alarm system.cleaned it best I could.he has mucho firearms.and has been a competitive shooter and hunter all his life. and a reloader.I will not allow him even to come into my shop any more.I have 5 press's set up and three differnt powder measures and several scales.plus projects in various stages on the benches.the many times that he was coming in there to help, talk are watch..I noticed he did very stupid things that only a small child would do.but a stupid small child.and ya can't talk to them like a child though.at there age..you can not tell them anything.alzhiemers and dementeia suck...he has both.and I don't want to stick him in a home.YET..the time will come.it is very trying.and if it was not for my wife and three kids..he would already be there.the kids keep him going and he keeps them going.my kids and pop just laugh when they play cards are games.and are always laughing.and my wife has a gift.pop is like her bestest friend.he even carrys her purse for her.he he he..and just laughs when she says pop carry this for me please.but..unfortunatly..that is all he is capable of.and she has to keep an eye on the purse till they get to the car.and she takes over her purse.are he will loose it.
and if the ole gent is loadin ammo.and is gettin fergetful.you should get him to a nuroligist asap.and on meds that will stop the progression of the diease.won't cure em..but can stop it from getting worse.sounds like it is time to pull the ole boys plugs.talking works some time.and they are doing thimngs that could injury themselves are others.then do what ever it takes to stop them.you will need a lawyer and a court order.above all do not lie to them.tell the exactlly what you have seen and let them know right up front.yes it is hard.and very hard on them.BUT,they get over it..
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2006, 09:47:19 AM »
Bummer, but that seems to be they way we are moving. been there, done that. hope things work out for all concerned.

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2006, 11:26:39 AM »
Questor - Redhawk1 is absolutely correct.  Unfortunatly there is no easy way to deal with an elderly individual who is suffering from Alzheimer's, period.  

As Redhawk1 said - tell him he is getting forgetful and careless and that it has become dangerous.  Do not let him into your reloading room - for him that will be like being a kid in a candy store with a pocketful of change.  He simply will not be able to understand that he is making mistakes and creating dangerous situations.  I'm sorry my friend but I have gone through this twice and am dealing with it for a 3rd time now - fortunately my mom neither lives with me or reloads (lolol).  As for the medications - there are some very nice combinations geriontologists use for Alzheimer's that allow these folks to enjoy things a bit more - it keeps them smiling so to speak and doesn't drug them up.  They may still be off in left field but it sure doesn't bother them anymore, and that's the truth.  

Kyote has been there and he is right - telling these folks what they have done is necessary - they can't be scolded like a child but rather, leveled with.  Many still have enough rational capabilites to know when they really need to stop doing something but 2ndtimer also had a nice thought if it would work for that older fella but you have to be the judge of that.  Mikey.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2006, 04:05:45 PM »
I hate to say it but telling him the truth is probably best .
I am 64 so I may qualify as a Geezer . I don't want anyone around me when I am reloading as I don't want the Distraction ! I would be more inclined to make an error with someone talking . It wouldn't matter as far as the case preparation was concerned though .
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 12:24:15 AM »
Telling and reinforcing it are simple things to do for those that are not impared by disease.
I have no answers for those who are impaired, "the Lord is my sheperd", is the total answer.
If one is not impaired but just too old and forgetful/absent minded/physically impaired. honest conversation and active reinforcement should provide all that is needed.
At some times the son/daughter becomes the parent--remember that, it is ment for you also.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 07:40:18 AM »
Questor,
   I'm glad to see you have an intrest in your friends wellfare, not enough of that going on these days.
   I think that second timer had a good idea, if it doesen't work you'll have to come out bluntly and tell him the way it is. It is better to hurt his feelings that to watch him hurt himself or a bystander.  It's a hard thing to do, best of luck.....Jim

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 07:51:12 AM »
Like fast eddie, I'm also a geezer but with more experience - handloading since 1949. Some geezers develop alzheimers or other forms of dementia to the point of total forgetfulness. I think all older people experience slow reaction times, eyes that can't quickly handle headlights at night and return to total darkness, etc. Eddie mentioned distractions and that rings a bell for me. I am more easily distracted now and I will only handload in an atmosphere free of distractions. If there is a distraction, I leave the reloading bench until things settle down. I allow only the powder, bullets, brass and primers for the cartridge I am loading to be on the bench top. I use dummy rounds to set the seating die. I recheck powder weights. You know what convinced me I needed to be more organized? Couple of years ago, I was distracted while in the process of changing from one cartridge to another. I tried to clear the decks for the new cartridge before attending to the distraction. Forgot to change the powder in the trickler from H4350 to H4831. Max hunting loads and I dump a light powder load onto the scale and trickle to finish off.  Fortunately, I discovered the problem after charging only three cases. Geezers can and should adjust to their deficits. The problem comes when they can no longer recognize the need to make changes. That's when family has to step in.

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2006, 07:53:17 AM »
Like fast eddie, I'm also a geezer but with more experience - handloading since 1949. Some geezers develop alzheimers or other forms of dementia to the point of total forgetfulness. I think all older people experience slow reaction times, eyes that can't quickly handle headlights at night and return to total darkness, etc. Eddie mentioned distractions and that rings a bell for me. I am more easily distracted now and I will only handload in an atmosphere free of distractions. If there is a distraction, I leave the reloading bench until things settle down. I allow only the powder, bullets, brass and primers for the cartridge I am loading to be on the bench top. I use dummy rounds to set the seating die. I recheck powder weights. You know what convinced me I needed to be more organized? Couple of years ago, I was distracted while in the process of changing from one cartridge to another. I tried to clear the decks for the new cartridge before attending to the distraction. Forgot to change the powder in the trickler from H4350 to H4831. Max hunting loads and I dump a light powder load onto the scale and trickle to finish off.  Fortunately, I discovered the problem after charging only three cases. Geezers can and should adjust to their deficits. The problem comes when they can no longer recognize the need to make changes. That's when family has to step in.