:grin: I read years ago in a gun mag of an informal penetration test using the most popular rifles and a few older ones. I believe, but I'm not sure, that it was some sort of wood baffle. They used 30-06, 300 mag, and others plus the older ones. Only two rifles put bullets all the way through. One was the old 30-40 Krag and, you guessed it, the 45-70. Hunman55