Author Topic: 7mm Mag (Read 1781 times)

Redhawk1 · « **on:** March 06, 2006, 04:42:08 PM »

I have a serious question my buddy ask me tonight. Why was the 7mm Mag made? What void did it fill? He was in no way knocking the 7mm Mag. This question is not intended to get into any 7mm or 30 cal debate. Thanks for your answers in advance.

Andy2590 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 06, 2006, 04:56:46 PM »

The same reason all of these new magnums are coming out. If they come out, people will buy. They all say they offer new things but in reality, they are doing the same thing as a bunch of other cartridges out there. I don't mean to sound like I'm complaining though...the more the merrier!! :grin:

victorcharlie · « **Reply #2 on:** March 06, 2006, 05:04:55 PM »

To sell more rifles and cartridges would be my guess.....marketing hype.....

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 06, 2006, 05:17:11 PM »

I really could not answer the question myself. I just can't pin point the answer. :?

Handwerk · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2006, 02:43:29 AM »

cause it's more power than a .270, faster and flatter than an 30'06 and less recoil than a 300wm. Face it, if these were not important, we wouldn't have needed anything since the ole 06'.

jro45 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2006, 02:48:04 AM »

Well the 7mm was out long before these powerful magums came out yesterday. And to me it is like a rifle that can go a little farther then the 270. Its little brother. Thats how I see it. But nowadays we have many choices.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2006, 03:49:14 AM »

Quote from: Handwerk

cause it's more power than a .270, faster and flatter than an 30'06 and less recoil than a 300wm. Face it, if these were not important, we wouldn't have needed anything since the ole 06'.

I think you hit the nail right on the head.

I am not a big fan of the 7mm Mag, but I think it serves a purpose. If given the choice of the 270, 30-06, 7MM Mag or the 300 Win mag. I think it would be the 300 Win mag for me. Why, because I reload and can tailor loads for the game intended.

nasem · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2006, 06:18:01 AM »

here is some historical facts about it...

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.7mm-remington-magnum.html

hope this helps

Don Fischer · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2006, 08:18:27 AM »

I've used the 7mm Rem Mag a good deal, years ago. I've also used the 280 Rem a good deal. That deal from gunners den say's nothing about the 7mm Rem Mag that can't also be said about the 280 Rem or the
30-06. Come to think of it, you can add the 270 Win to the list also.

But Remington only had the 280 to compete with the 270 Win and they hamstrung it from the get go. Enter the 7mm Mag durning the magnum-mania day's. Suddenly Remington was able to compete in that class with Winchester. May have also had something to do with Warren Page's great use of the 7mm magnum's back then, in whatever wildcatt he was using at the time. Doesn't hurt to have some writter singing the praises of some certain cartridge.

roper · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2006, 05:54:21 PM »

I figured this wasn't a debate about 7mm vs 30cal but I guess someone changed the rules. The 7mag is just a 338mag (1958)cased necked to 7mm (1962). 300mag came out in 1963. The 7mm Express(1957) wasn't all the popular back then wasn't till the name change to 280. My first custom was a 7mag just after I got out of the service in 1965. The 7mag opened a whole new generation of shooters back then you could buy something other than a 7mmwby. From 1960 to 1970 was alot of good rounds that came out, was something for everybody.
Had Win neck the 338 case down first to 30 cal you wouldn't of had the 300mag case. Huntington beat them to that. Had you listened to the gun writers back then wouldn't of figured the 300mag had a chance.

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2006, 03:01:31 AM »

roper, don't read into it. No one changed the rules, you just want to put your 2 cents in and start a debate. Sorry no ones biting.

Handwerk summed it up and I think he said it best. I talked to my buddy and he thought it was a good explanation.

roper · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2006, 03:27:40 AM »

Quote from: Redhawk1

roper, don't read into it. No one changed the rules, you just want to put your 2 cents in and start a debate. Sorry no ones biting.

Handwerk summed it up and I think he said it best. I talked to my buddy and he thought it was a good explanation.

What your problem!!!! You are the one who talked about not having a debate over the 7mag vs the 30, you may need to read your own post and the answers you got which was pretty far from the truth If you have a problem again talk it to your boss. You asked why the 7mag was made. According to Handwerk the 300mag came out first which it didn't. Don Fisher post was about right. Your stated dislike of the 7mag and chiming in to agree sets the stage. Just because your dislike for me run high don't set a different set of rules to play by. Does.n't Killdeer run this page

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2006, 04:02:30 AM »

roper, no need to go off the deep end. I thought Handwerk's post was accurate, he did not say anything about the 300 Win Mag coming first. Here is a copy of his post.

"7mm cause it's more power than a .270, faster and flatter than an 30'06 and less recoil than a 300wm. Face it, if these were not important, we wouldn't have needed anything since the ole 06'."

Don Fischer's post was good information also.

Roper, my comment was not to start a debate, but my opinion as to why I would not chose a 7mm Mag. My buddy and I could not figure out the advantages to the 7mm Mag with the likes of the 270, 30-06 and 300 Win Mag and a few others in the same class. As for my Boss, that would be me, I work for myself. I am a Moderator at Graybeard and do not get any payment or special treatment. I donate my time here and think this is the best place to come for good conversation. Sure we have our differences but I don't make it a point to seek you out and post comments to you, as a matter of fact I avoid your post at all costs except for this one. But I don't think we are adding anything of value to this post with this foolishness, so I consider it a mute point. So now lets get back to the subject and try to keep it interesting.

jdt48653 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 08, 2006, 08:20:49 AM »

the 264win mag was stealing all the glory,remington even copied their
brass.both brass are the same at the start!

killdeer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 08, 2006, 08:52:18 AM »

I think the 7mm RM really did fill a nich for alot of shooters especially out west.
If a man wants to push a 7mm bullet a little faster and flatter I think it's still a great choice today.
I was recently given a like new set of 7mmRM dies, brass, and 7mm bullets. This must be a sign from providence. :grin:
KD

marylandeer · « **Reply #15 on:** March 08, 2006, 09:11:53 AM »

My take on it. The 7mag was made to get some of the .30-06's buisness. Everybody knows the good old .30-06 is a great cartridge. They also sell more .30-06 ammo. than any other or so I'm told. Remington brought out the 7 mag because they knew it was very close to the proven winner the "GREAT-06". If you take a look at the numbers they are very, very close.
To me it's just like Coke and Pepsi they both taste a lot alike, they both look the same. It's just to companys that want to profit from the same market. Give thanks to customers that like a choice even if it's not much different.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 08, 2006, 10:53:16 AM »

Quote from: marylandeer

To me it's just like Coke and Pepsi they both taste a lot alike, they both look the same. It's just to companys that want to profit from the same market. Give thanks to customers that like a choice even if it's not much different.

The one major flaw to this comparison is that Jack Daniels and coke mix, Jack and Pepsi don't. I've never heard a fellow call for Jack and Pepsi! :wink:

marylandeer · « **Reply #17 on:** March 08, 2006, 11:33:04 AM »

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The one major flaw to this comparison is that Jack Daniels and coke mix, Jack and Pepsi don't. I've never heard a fellow call for Jack and Pepsi! :wink:[/quote

Ok I'll go with that. But to be honest I can't tell the difference. Jack and coke just sounds better than jack and pepsi. Who knows what really comes out of those bar-room push button fountain thingys. Expecially after the first or second drink, who could tell?
I think the biggest difference is that fancy little belt that the 7mag wears that the 06 don't.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #18 on:** March 08, 2006, 11:39:25 AM »

Quote from: marylandeer

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The one major flaw to this comparison is that Jack Daniels and coke mix, Jack and Pepsi don't. I've never heard a fellow call for Jack and Pepsi! :wink:[/quote

Ok I'll go with that. But to be honest I can't tell the difference. Jack and coke just sounds better than jack and pepsi. Who knows what really comes out of those bar-room push button fountain thingys. Expecially after the first or second drink, who could tell?
I think the biggest difference is that fancy little belt that the 7mag wears that the 06 don't.[/quote]

Yep.......much like the 45.70 and the .450 Marlin.....no belt really needed! No doubt the 7 mag is a little faster and a little flatter.....but it only matters at the extreme, and makes little if any difference from the muzzle and through the intermediate ranges......dead is dead......

Gregory · « **Reply #19 on:** March 08, 2006, 12:13:41 PM »

Quote from: nasem

here is some historical facts about it...

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.7mm-remington-magnum.html

hope this helps

For those too lazy to click the link:

The 7mm. Remington magnum offers one of the best compromises of power, recoil and bullet selections of all high power class of rifles. Its no wonder this cartridge in four decades has become so popular.

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #20 on:** March 08, 2006, 06:52:01 PM »

Quote from: Handwerk

cause it's more power than a .270, faster and flatter than an 30'06 and less recoil than a 300wm. Face it, if these were not important, we wouldn't have needed anything since the ole 06'.

You neglected to mention excellent sectional density and ballistic coefficients. This cartridge and 160g bullets go together like bacon and eggs.

Been knocking elk down with mine for over 20 years, have yet to have one get away.

jim21 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 02, 2006, 04:57:07 PM »

The big boys want you to try out there new toys that way in a couple of
years they can do it again and dont you like to add something new to your war room? :lol:

Don Fischer · « **Reply #22 on:** May 02, 2006, 06:41:11 PM »

If we were to make a list of cartridges that filled no nitch, the list would be long. Let's see; all 24 cals, 25-06, 260 Rem, 264 Win Mag, 280 Rem, 7mm-08, 7mm Rem Mag, 308 Win, 338 Win Mag, all the Weatherbys and all other properitory cartridges. Oh, I forgot the 300 Win Mag and left out all the new short mags and super short mags. Come to think of it, scratch the 22 mag, those new 17' RF's, the 204. WOW! Life could be boring but much less confusing!

I believe it's called "capitolism!".

thumbcocker · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2006, 03:52:47 PM »

Did'nt Jack O'conner and a fella named Les Bowman try out the prototype in Wyoming on elk? I read that somewhere and can't find the book it was in. Also, was 'nt it supposed to compete with the 275 h&h?

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2006, 05:57:32 PM »

Quote from: Don Fischer

If we were to make a list of cartridges that filled no nitch, the list would be long. Let's see; all 24 cals, 25-06, 260 Rem, 264 Win Mag, 280 Rem, 7mm-08, 7mm Rem Mag, 308 Win, 338 Win Mag, all the Weatherbys and all other properitory cartridges. Oh, I forgot the 300 Win Mag and left out all the new short mags and super short mags. Come to think of it, scratch the 22 mag, those new 17' RF's, the 204. WOW! Life could be boring but much less confusing!

I believe it's called "capitolism!".

Er, its capitalism, not capitolism. Capital has to do with money, while capitol has to do with geography.

I think all the buyers of popular cartridges like all the 24 cals, the .25-06, 7mm-08, 7mm Rem Mag, .308 win and .338 Win would probably disagree about those cartridges not filling a niche. They must have filled a perceived need given their high popularity.

That said, I agree about the .24s. Cant think of a more worthless caliber.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2006, 06:34:47 PM »

Sorry, this thing doesn't have spell check.

I'm sure your right about those people that like one or the other. In fact there's a few here I really like Mostly the 25-06, 280 and 308. But the 250-3000 and the 257 Roberts pretty much had things covered, in fact I think both are better dual purpose cartridges than the 24's. What the 25-06 does is some of what the 270 does but falls off beyond deer. I think the 280 is really better than the 270 but Remington burried it from the git-go. And what can it really do that the 270 can't, other than sell guns? The 7mm Rem Mag just doesn't do anything that much better than the 270 or the 30-06. The 308 was a military design for autoloading war rifles. One of my favorite cartridges but it didn't bring anything of value to the table where the hunter was concerned. We already had the 300 Savage for lever gun's and the 30-06 for bolt actions. Now the 338 Win Mag may have filled a spot as far as being a 338 cal but realistically if you need that much power, maybe what you really need is a 375 H&H. I don't see much advantage of one over the other. If ya want to shoot a big bullet, the 35 Whelan has been around a long time.

Those of us that champion one cartridge or another do so for reason's other than they're the best thing since sliced bread. It was all just a thought tho as the question was something about the nitch the 7mm Mag filled.

One last thought, the key word in the above post is "perceived".

nasem · « **Reply #26 on:** May 04, 2006, 07:14:02 AM »

for a while, I was in a huge debate with my self If i actually "wanted" a 7mm mag. It really doesn't differ that much from a 30-06. I mean yes when a 150 grain bullet from 7 mag or '06, there is very little difference in trajectory (even at distances like 400-500 yards), difference will be like
-50 inches vs -43 inches (7 inches)...

BUT ME BEING THE OBSSESSIVE COMPULSIVE THAT I AM... I GOT IT THE 7MM ANYWAYS LOL

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #27 on:** May 04, 2006, 08:49:04 AM »

Quote from: Don Fischer

...and the 257 Roberts pretty much had things covered, ....

I was leaving a gun show a couple years back after having sold ma Savage .22-250 in need of a new barrel. Was going to go to Sportsman's Warehouse to buy a Ruger .25-06. (I had already replaced the .22-250.)

Literally backed into another show attendee and turned around to apologize. He had a like-new Ruger .257 Roberts with a Leupold M8-4x hangings on his shoulder. After selling the Savage, it cost me $150 out of pocket. The scope ended up on a Marlin .30-30 and was replaced by a used Leupold Vari-X III 4.5-14. It has since become my favorite bolt gun.

Some days you just get lucky.

P.S. I can't type or spell either. Thank God for spell checkers!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #28 on:** May 04, 2006, 06:55:11 PM »

I have had a Rem 7 mag in the A-Bolt configuration for almost 20 years. Shot about a dozen deer with it. Done the postmortem while butchering. This round is a heavy hitter. The niche it fills is a caliber that shoots flatter and harder than the 06, 270, 280, 308 all 264s and many others with out the recoil of the 300 mags. It is an effective magnum with out fierce recoil.

Don Fischer · « **Reply #29 on:** May 05, 2006, 04:46:54 AM »

Cheesehead,

How much harder do you have to hit than with any of the cartridge's you listed? I'm not a magnum basher, in fact I had a 7mm Mag and liked it but, what do you think will fill the nich between the 280 Rem and the 7mm Mag? Maybe proper advertising?

The beauty of the 7mm mag is it's ability to handle the biggest bullet's well to deliver extrodanary power at normal range. I'm not sure that extrodanary power is really needed in reality.

Shooting beyond the max point blank range of a cartridge effectively is a matter of shooting skill and proper bullet and shot selection. I don't condone shooting a say 500yds but, I'ed bet a dollar to a sugar cookie that a properly placed 165 gr bullet from a 308 would be just as deadly at that range as any bullet from ANY other cartridge, maybe more so.