Author Topic: A .357 lever action? (Read 7894 times)

Poohgyrr · « **Reply #30 on:** April 07, 2006, 07:52:47 PM »

There is a lot I don't know, but I prefer the M92, like EMF's version, to Winchester M94s in pistol calibers. You can buy one already tuned, or tune it yourself.

Or the Miroku/Winchester if you can find one.

Haven't shot a Browning M92, but a lot of guys like the Brownings - the .357 version is supposed to be harder to find.

I had a hard time even considering the .357/Levergun combo for years. Then I remembered that this round, in handguns, has taken almost every animal in North America. And when I saw what it does out of a rifle, and then shot one, I was hooked.

Here is a tuned EMF in .44 Special, I want another in .357.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #31 on:** April 08, 2006, 12:13:33 AM »

Im a church going man pal. I never use Gods name in vane and would never post something using the F word. But what you consider profanity may not be what i do. Last i looked this wasnt a religous forum but a gun fourm. If my posts offend you theres an easy fix. Dont read them. Ive been posting on here longer then most and your the first to complain. I would hope that you dont bring your children to a public range either because ive heard a few people say dam there too and for Gods sake dont ever let them watch TV again. If Bill takes offense to my language im sure hes going to be the first one to jump down my throat. Like me hes a man that tells it like it is and isnt afraid to voice his opinion. Im truely sorry your offended but i see no harm in anything ive posted.

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Lloyd, This is the second post of yours I have read today that you used profanity in (agreed it is mild ) but I don't talk that way to my wife and kids and would appreciate it if you didn't either. Regards, Byron

Dee · « **Reply #32 on:** April 08, 2006, 06:25:07 AM »

According to the Bill of Rights, one has the right to say what one wants, and say it in the manner one wants. The most important question would be. Is it right to say it? And, is it right to say it that way? Let us be civilized. :wink: Emoticons? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #33 on:** April 08, 2006, 09:34:24 AM »

Im here for the guns. Ill take my preaching on sundays by an ordained priest. As long as I live within Bills guidelines here ive done nothing wrong. Im not saying this to by sarcastic or mean. Theres a few people on this forum that know me personaly and will vouch for my character. Im not some crude hillbilly but theres times that i get angered at some peoples opinions just like you and sometimes where a I fail to get accross with diplomacy. Again not to be sarcastic but if you are looking for a combination gun and religion forum try christainsixgunner.com. opening that fourm which by the way i do occaionaly will be safe for your children and anyone that gets offened by someone telling it the way it is. I grew up in a strict catholic home went to church every sunday and still do. But ive heard "DAM" and HELL even in our house. To me those are not profanitys maybe to you they are. But ive never seen in the bible where its considered profanity as a matter of fact youll see them in print in the Bible in many passages and i believe children read that too. At least we did in our house. Like i said too if your children are allowed to watch any TV at all or have access to this box without suppervision your a hipocrit for preaching to me about my language. Best use your energy to protect you child against them then to worry they might possibly log into greybeards and read my post :roll: Im not here to win a popularity contest or to make a bunch of friends I allready have good friends and a couple of them are here. Im here to share my knowlege and to pick up something myself occasionally and thats it. :wink:

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 08, 2006, 10:11:09 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale

Im here for the guns. Ill take my preaching on sundays by an ordained priest. As long as I live within Bills guidelines here ive done nothing wrong. Im not saying this to by sarcastic or mean. Theres a few people on this forum that know me personaly and will vouch for my character. Im not some crude hillbilly but theres times that i get angered at some peoples opinions just like you and sometimes where a I fail to get accross with diplomacy. Again not to be sarcastic but if you are looking for a combination gun and religion forum try christainsixgunner.com. opening that fourm which by the way i do occaionaly will be safe for your children and anyone that gets offened by someone telling it the way it is. I grew up in a strict catholic home went to church every sunday and still do. But ive heard "DAM" and HELL even in our house. To me those are not profanitys maybe to you they are. But ive never seen in the bible where its considered profanity as a matter of fact youll see them in print in the Bible in many passages and i believe children read that too. At least we did in our house. Like i said too if your children are allowed to watch any TV at all or have access to this box without suppervision your a hipocrit for preaching to me about my language. Best use your energy to protect you child against them then to worry they might possibly log into greybeards and read my post :roll: Im not here to win a popularity contest or to make a bunch of friends I allready have good friends and a couple of them are here. Im here to share my knowlege and to pick up something myself occasionally and thats it. :wink:

Lloyd, we think to much alike. I know for sure I won't win a popularity contest here or make a bunch of friends, I think I made a few dislike me. But like you said. I have my friends. :-D

But to stick with the topic, I just sold my last lever action 44 Mag. I have had a bunch of them. Marlin lever actions were always my favorite. Never could got close to them top eject Winchesters.

Camel 23 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 08, 2006, 11:15:21 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale

Theres a few people on this forum that know me personaly and will vouch for my character. :wink:

I, for one, know Lloyd personally and can say you'd be hard pressed to find a man with a higher moral character. I would not hesitate to let my wife or children spend as much time in his pressence as they wanted to. They would only learn from the man. To say he is not following the rules by posting something that is not family oriented is plain crazy. He is one of the most family oriented men that I know.

Sorry to get off topic but this was a little to insane for me to let it slide by.

Greybeard · « **Reply #36 on:** April 08, 2006, 07:28:39 PM »

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According to the Bill of Rights, one has the right to say what one wants, and say it in the manner one wants. The most important question would be. Is it right to say it? And, is it right to say it that way? Let us be civilized.

For the record: the Bill of Rights have no applicability here. What does is the GBO TOS. That is the guide line at this site.

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another fan of the .357 in a rifle. I have no use for one in a handgun i think all you end up with is a loud 38 as far as game taking ability but in a rifle its a different round all together and can dammed near run with a 3030 in power.

Let me weight in on this also since it seems to have raised a bit of controversy here.

My general rule is that this is a family oriented site and that all content should be acceptable to all members of an average Christian family. Now in reality there is no "average Christian Family" I suppose. So what does that mean? I've further clarified it a few times by saying that if you'd NOT say it in front of your wife, daughter, mother and pastor then don't say it here.

Still that does leave room for different folks to use different language and I realize that. For that reason I've put in place words in the censor program that absolutely and positively must NEVER EVER be used here. They cannot be without some manipulation to avoid the censor. Anyone so manipulating would be canned on first attempt never to be allowed to return.

So by default words not in the censor either haven't been thought of by me yet or are OK at least under some limited circumstances. Let's take Lloyd's choice of words "dammed" or short version "damn". I find those in my Bible along with several others which I'd as soon not be used here regularly.

What I have said is allowed is that adults (defined as those old and mature enough to have earned the right-more on that later) may use them SPARINGLY as SPICE in a conversation. ANYONE using them regularly as in can't seem to write without them is likely to get a warning or two and then be canned. I do not allow youths even that limited use as they've not put in the years on this earth to earn the right to "spice a conversation" from time to time. None here have earned the right to do it regularly.

So who migh can and can't? If you've had less than 21 birthdays I'd best not see you using ANY of those words if you wish to hang around. If you've seen 30 of those birthdays you're getting to where a rare one might be allowed. Once you've seen 40 or more you'll get little hassle from me if used sparingly as spice and not as a regular part of your postings.

I can't see why it should be offensive to my average Christian family to read a word here on RARE occasions that is also read in many places in the Bible. But yes I realize to some it might. To those I apologize but I have to make rules that all can and will live by. Quite frankly on rare occasions when someone forces my hand and I have to talk real plain to them you'll see some of those words from me and for sure from Matt when you get his dander up.

Hope that clears the air on that.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #37 on:** April 08, 2006, 11:35:18 PM »

Well said Bill. This is your forum and its your call and no one elses as to what is considered proper. Bill, you know me pretty well and know that its a rare thing when i get that riled up. Im usually about as easy going as they come. But theres been a rash of stupid statement made lately by people that just dont know what there talking about and potentialy can cause more harm with there know it all attitudes then i can with a little colarfull language and it seems that in the big picture it did real a few of them in. More then anything i believe this IS A PUBLIC FORUM and posters have the obligation to post fact not fiction here. Theres some impressionable young people and people new to the sport that dont need to have there heads filled with crap just so a man can see his works in print. Some of it can be entertaining to me :roll: but I know better and some dont. I never meant to harm anyone. Yes i use foul language occasionaly and I doubt if theres a soul here that hasnt at one time of another. Sometimes a block head just needs to be told hes a blockhead and i tell it like it is. You can take it to the bank that if i post something its because ive personaly witnessed it or more times then not have done it myself. Now im going to turn 50 in a couple months Bill i need to know what i can get away with then :-D

Star1pup · « **Reply #38 on:** April 09, 2006, 04:26:20 AM »

Okay, back to the original subject. I bought the Marlin 1894C and so far I really like it. It shot pretty tight groups, but the sights left a lot to be desired for fine tuning. I then added a Williams 336 peep with a firesight on the front. I used the small firesight in order to have more accuracy (I hope). So far have not had a chance to go to the range, but plan to go this week to try the new sight. I did fire a couple rounds in my backyard to try it and it seems to work nicely.

I've been loading 125 gr. Hornady XTP HP bullets over 6 gr. Bullseye. I'll run them over my Chrony when I get to the range and let you know what I think about the combination.
Bill (Not the one with the gray beard)

Graybeard · « **Reply #39 on:** April 09, 2006, 04:49:31 AM »

I have the Willaims peep and firesight front on one of my Marlin .35s and like it quite well. I'd not worry so much about the absolute minimum group size on paper so much as what you can see well under hunting conditions in the woods. Out there accuracy depends on what you can see and a bit larger front bead can at times help. Same with a larger aperture in a peep than would be useful on the range.

steveb3006 · « **Reply #40 on:** May 18, 2006, 08:21:44 PM »

IMO the Rossi 92's chamberd in 357 cant be beat. Someone(I forget who) asked the weight of the Rossi 92's and mine weighs 5.6lbs.

B_Koes · « **Reply #41 on:** May 19, 2006, 03:44:16 AM »

I'd have to say that I really enjoy my Puma 92 in .357. When shooting cowboy .38spl loads it's really hard to distinguish it's report from a .22 and it's a real hoot to shoot. Then there's the versatility that has been talked about because you can load it up with hot .357's and got some real hunting work done.

uncle joe · « **Reply #42 on:** May 23, 2006, 02:46:47 AM »

I also have the Marlin 357, great gun I've killed several pigs with it when I lived in Fla. Star1 you might want some heavy loads when walking around up there, I heard there are bears in Brush Creek. I sent you a PM re: Burgholz.

espalding · « **Reply #43 on:** April 02, 2007, 10:56:02 AM »

I have a Marlin lever carbine 1894 and the CowboyII both in .357. They are surprisingly accurate; I tuned the carbine with a scope on it then removed it, ended up with 14gr of H110 with a 155 gascheck. 6000-7000 rounds thru the carbine and never a problem. Simple to take down for straight thru cleaning. Fed the cowboy the same ammo and people are surprised I can wiggle a 200 yard swinger with it. Now thinking about a Henry BigBoy and hoping they're just as accurate

Star1pup · « **Reply #44 on:** April 02, 2007, 01:40:09 PM »

Just to update this thread, I bought a Marlin 1894C and love it. At 50 yards it shoots a 3/4" group!

Raindog · « **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2007, 06:41:19 AM »

I own a Puma 92 and have to agree that it is one of my favorite rifles. Cheaper than the Rossi by a few dollars and almost identical.

fastbike · « **Reply #46 on:** April 08, 2007, 10:52:11 AM »

Check your Puma. You'll likely find that it is a Rossi.

Quote from: Raindog on April 08, 2007, 06:41:19 AM

I own a Puma 92 and have to agree that it is one of my favorite rifles. Cheaper than the Rossi by a few dollars and almost identical.

Poohgyrr · « **Reply #47 on:** April 08, 2007, 03:54:21 PM »

I think Rossi makes M92s that sell under their brand name, and under some other brands as well. Different sights, wood, etc....

And I am waiting for a 20" EMF short rifle in .357!!! Got it at a good enuf price that the 'smith has it for a tuneup. Next item on my Lever need list is a stainless 16" in .45LC. I may settle for blued, we'll see.

fastbike · « **Reply #48 on:** April 09, 2007, 02:37:40 AM »

True enough I suspect. I know they make incremental changes. I got my M92 Carbine in Dec 2006 and note that the front sight is dovetailed into the barrel instead of hard mounted in the front barrel band

Quote from: Poohgyrr on April 08, 2007, 03:54:21 PM

I think Rossi makes M92s that sell under their brand name, and under some other brands as well. Different sights, wood, etc....

And I am waiting for a 20" EMF short rifle in .357!!! Got it at a good enuf price that the 'smith has it for a tuneup. Next item on my Lever need list is a stainless 16" in .45LC. I may settle for blued, we'll see.

DaveShooter · « **Reply #49 on:** April 10, 2007, 04:23:23 PM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale on April 08, 2006, 11:35:18 PM

Well said Bill. This is your forum and its your call and no one elses as to what is considered proper. Bill, you know me pretty well and know that its a rare thing when i get that riled up. Im usually about as easy going as they come. But theres been a rash of stupid statement made lately by people that just dont know what there talking about and potentialy can cause more harm with there know it all attitudes then i can with a little colarfull language and it seems that in the big picture it did real a few of them in. More then anything i believe this IS A PUBLIC FORUM and posters have the obligation to post fact not fiction here. Theres some impressionable young people and people new to the sport that dont need to have there heads filled with crap just so a man can see his works in print. Some of it can be entertaining to me :roll: but I know better and some dont. I never meant to harm anyone. Yes i use foul language occasionaly and I doubt if theres a soul here that hasnt at one time of another. Sometimes a block head just needs to be told hes a blockhead and i tell it like it is. You can take it to the bank that if i post something its because ive personaly witnessed it or more times then not have done it myself. Now im going to turn 50 in a couple months Bill i need to know what i can get away with then :-D

Hi Loyd, I agree with you. In this crazy day and age we live in everyone has to be political- correct. An wise old friend whom passed away once told me God rest his soul "It isn't dirty if it"s honest" Nothing you have ever said has ruffled my tail feathers.
DaveShooter

navylawdog · « **Reply #50 on:** April 13, 2007, 04:07:47 PM »

Lloyd,

I think what you said was perfectly acceptable for this forum (personal opinion). I don't see what the big deal is really over such a little word. I try to do my part to ensure that all of us are able to speak freely and live our lifestyles the way we do and enjoy the liberties that we take for granted daily. I am leaving again for the great sandbox soon and it will mean that I have spent 12 months out of 17 months overseas doing my thing. So if it is for no better reason that for Lloyd to say the word damn on Graybeard Outdoors then so be it. It just annoys me to see people criticize others for using their hard fought for rights while I bust my butt to keep them. Star1pup I have nothing against you. I don't even know you but was saying something about a small little word such as that even worth saying something about? Sorry but I just had to get my 2 cents in on this.

Navylawdog

DaveShooter · « **Reply #51 on:** April 13, 2007, 05:20:13 PM »

Quote from: navylawdog on April 13, 2007, 04:07:47 PM

Lloyd,

I think what you said was perfectly acceptable for this forum (personal opinion). I don't see what the big deal is really over such a little word. I try to do my part to ensure that all of us are able to speak freely and live our lifestyles the way we do and enjoy the liberties that we take for granted daily. I am leaving again for the great sandbox soon and it will mean that I have spent 12 months out of 17 months overseas doing my thing. So if it is for no better reason that for Lloyd to say the word damn on Graybeard Outdoors then so be it. It just annoys me to see people criticize others for using their hard fought for rights while I bust my butt to keep them. Star1pup I have nothing against you. I don't even know you but was saying something about a small little word such as that even worth saying something about? Sorry but I just had to get my 2 cents in on this.

Navylawdog

My hat is off to you. Watch your 6 and take care of yourself as I am sure the rest on this forum salute you for all your efforts to keep liberty and our freedoms at hand, Gods-speed my friend for what you and so many others are doing.
DaveShooter

navylawdog · « **Reply #52 on:** April 13, 2007, 10:21:55 PM »

DaveShooter,

I want to thank you for your words of support. I am sure their are many on here that feel the same as you. I am still fairly new to this website but I do know that there are some great people on here.

Navylawdog

navylawdog · « **Reply #53 on:** April 13, 2007, 10:28:46 PM »

So anyways back to the subject at hand... GUNS!

Star1pup,

I am glad that you got a new rifle and it is a good shooter. I own one of those myself and it shoots good also. For some reason though mine seems to prefer the larger bullets (140gr and larger). I had to drive halfway across Maine twice to get it which is why the wife would never let me get rid of it even if I wanted to. My dad did want to buy it or trade for it but she (wife) wasn't having that. I guess I will have to buy him one.

Navylawdog

FourBee · « **Reply #54 on:** April 28, 2007, 01:55:47 PM »

Hey Guys:
Enjoyed your comments on the .357 Levers. You pretty much answered my questions. I just walked in this afternoon with a PUMA 92 I picked up at the GUN SHOW. It's sure light weight. Thought maybe I'd made a mistake by not getting one in a .45 cal. But this may be all I need for around the ranch.

navylawdog · « **Reply #55 on:** April 28, 2007, 02:44:18 PM »

FourBee,

Congrats on the new gun. I hope it proves to be a good shooter and serves you well.

Navylawdog

shaner · « **Reply #56 on:** April 29, 2007, 06:02:08 AM »

i love to walk with my 357 works on bout anything iam in ohio also , where abouts you located starpup? iam just south of mansfield

Creedmoor · « **Reply #57 on:** April 30, 2007, 02:01:56 PM »

I've enjoyed following this discussion guys. This may be heresy as I haven't heard either of these two mentioned yet, but I love my little Winchester 94 Trapper with a Lyman peep. I am curious why no one ever references either positively or negatively the Lyman sights. The Williams are good too ( I own one) but I prefer the Lyman as they are all steel construction. Anyone have any load suggestions for a Win 94 using 125 JHPs or 158 LFNs? I am having trouble getting good accuracy with these two bullets.

jhm · « **Reply #58 on:** April 30, 2007, 03:12:32 PM »

I have a 24 in. barreled Win. Legacy in 357 Mag. It is a fun gun to shoot but it is just to nice of a gun for me to go dragging it around in the truck or 4 wheeler that it spends most of its time in the safe, I used to have a older Rosie 92 I carried on the horse when checking the cattle but got rid of it and went to a 223 cal rifle instead. JIM

canon6 · « **Reply #59 on:** May 04, 2007, 10:58:22 AM »

I have a Rossi 92 (16inch) in 357.I put a Marbles front(green optic) and a Williams 5d on it.I got it sighted in for a 180gr fngc and my wife proceeded to steal it from me. I think it is the last rifle that I will ever sell.Handy to pack and more than enough power for deer and a passable defense weapon Doug