What is the advantage of a semi?

[onecoyote]

I've always used bolt action rifles when predator calling. What's the advantage of a semi, fire power? Does fire power kill more coyotes then one well placed shot?

[Larry Gibson]

I've always used bolt action rifles when predator calling. What's the advantage of a semi, fire power? Does fire power kill more coyotes then one well placed shot?

The advantage in "firepower" comes when calling and multiple dogs come in. Every shot regardless of weapon type should be "one well placed shot". Not having to work an action allows for quicker multiple target aquisition/engagement. There are times on a fast moving coyote when a high capacity magazine comes in handy, kind of fun too!  I have used a lot of different calibers and action types hunting coyotes including shotguns.  I most often use a semi auto rifle with iron sights on a call. If the call site has the potential for a 200+ yard range shot I will also carry a scoped bolt gun along and sit it along side me on the bipod. Then if a coyote will only come in so far I still might have a shot.  I have tried scoped semi's but they weren't much faster on the really close stuff and I was missing multiple shot opportunities.

I have used the M1 carbine, Mini14, AR15s, M1As, M1s, G1s, G3s and FALs on calls. All worked equally well but I have come to favor the M1 Carbine if I'm also going to carry a scoped bolt gun to the call site. A 100 gr Hornady HJ at 1950 fps does an excellent job on coyotes. It is lite and compact and easy to sling over the back while carrying the scoped rifle. The ARs or the M1A are excellent for calls with 0 to 300 yards shooting range. I recently returned from Iraq where I used an EOTec sight mounted forward of the handle and zeroed coaxial with the iron sights. It was extremely accurate from 5 meters to 300 meters and as quick if not quicker than using iron sights. With the 1 MOA dot accuracy was indeed minute of coyote at 300 meters. I will be trying it out this year on the AR and the M1A, perhaps the carbine also.

In the really tall thick sage (I'm talking 5 -6 feet tall here) or scrub forrest with visability limited to less than 15 - 20 yards a semi auto 12 gauge is the most productive weapon of choice. I use a M1100 Remington and 1 5/8ths oz of BB shot (1 5/8ths oz of #2 shot works well to). Some will expouse the use of #4 buck for this but I do not.  #4 Buck is the load government aerial hunters use but they will shoot 3-5 shots per coyote to put them down. You can do that from a helicopter but on the ground you will most often only get one shot at the coyote, better make it count.  At 20+ yards or so I have patterned to many coyotes and had them run away. Never lost a coyote to BBs or #2 shot out to 40+ yards and never shot them more than once.

Don't get me wrong here becuase I have called many times with a varmint weight bolt action rifle with a high powered crew served scope on it. You can be successful at close call range with such a rig but it can be frustrating to. I remember how the coyote looked at less than 10 yards through 10X on my M700V, nothing but blurred fur! I made that shot but missed many more because I couldn't get on the coyote quick enough. The semi auto is much prefered at close range for multiple engagements.

Larry Gibson

[onecoyote]

So that's your answer? Lots of typing there my friend lol. I've always used bolt actions myself, probably a habit from doing it for so many years.
I've called in multiples many times, the best I ever did was called in 9 and all 9 died with a bolt action. Called in 12 once and only two or three died, but I was not doing the shooting lol.  :lol:
To be honest I would not mind getting a semi, like one of those varmint style M-15s or what ever they call em.
When it comes to killing, I don't think the semi is going to outshine the old bolt action, but I'd still like to have one for a fun gun. :wink:

[Larry Gibson]

So that's your answer? Lots of typing there my friend lol. I've always used bolt actions myself, probably a habit from doing it for so many years.
I've called in multiples many times, the best I ever did was called in 9 and all 9 died with a bolt action. Called in 12 once and only two or three died, but I was not doing the shooting lol.  :lol:
To be honest I would not mind getting a semi, like one of those varmint style M-15s or what ever they call em.
When it comes to killing, I don't think the semi is going to outshine the old bolt action, but I'd still like to have one for a fun gun. :wink:

Gotta ask; if you had your own answer why the question? I didn't spend the time giving you an honest answer to get riddiculed. If you called in 9 and killed all nine with a bolt gun then I bow to you all mighty one.

Larry Gibson

[onecoyote]

Oh boy, Larry that was not my intent.   I was trying to get a conversation going. Nothing wrong with getting opinions, that's what I was looking for.

You gave you're opinion and I started off joking with you, you took it the wrong way.  That happens alot on the internet because the screen has no face so you can't see expressions. I hope you understand no harm was ment.

[Glanceblamm]

Onecoyote Wrote:

I've called in multiples many times, the best I ever did was called in 9 and all 9 died with a bolt action.

I am Impressed :grin:
You might elaborate on this some as it would make for a good story. I can imagine yourself taking some in the rear, then some in the front, and picking off the others as they were undecided on what to do and running in that crazy, erratic, stiff legged gait.

Back to the subject though....aint it strange how that bolt action automatically cycles it'self? :wink:  Sure seems to be that way. I think that this is what the african hunters mean when they say that they were fast enough when it counted. I do believe that I will keep my bolt rifle.
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[mag shooter]

onecoyote, maybe this is the answer you were looking for.

It comes in handy pulling that 48 ft trailor!!!!!!!!!!!

[onecoyote]

Mag shooter I think your right. Let me put it this way, you're semi right :lol:

Glanceblamm, that 9 coyote trick happened down in Mexico in 81. If all 9 came in at one time there is no way in hell you'd get them all with a mechine gun. They came in one at a time, anybody could do it. I was just in the right place at the right time.

The 12 coyote stand was in Nevada back in 7Os, again they came in one at a time, the guy doing all the missing was using a bolt action 22-250.

Like I said, I think because of my old age I'm stuck on bolt actions, but I'd love to catch a coyote out in the open with no where to go and have one of them semi autos. :wink:

[Larry Gibson]

Oh boy, Larry that was not my intent.   I was trying to get a conversation going. Nothing wrong with getting opinions, that's what I was looking for.

You gave you're opinion and I started off joking with you, you took it the wrong way.  That happens alot on the internet because the screen has no face so you can't see expressions. I hope you understand no harm was ment.

Ok, let's chalk it up to miscomunication.  I also would like to hear the details of the 9 coyotes called at one time and 9 killed. And then 12 called in at once? You must live where coyotes are not hunted and are the pretty dumb. Most callers would love to call in 9 coyotes in a days worth of calling. Did those coyotes stick around while you were shooting them and when you reloaded? What rifle/scope/cartridge/load were you using?

Larry Gibson

[oso45-70]

Gentelmen

Speaking from experience I think you all have it right. I hate to see any one angry over some thing little as this. I don't belive any one was downing what was said in any of the posts, That being said i will add my tiny bit of experience to the post.( My Self ) I have not used a Auto loading
Rifle to hunt Coyotes with nor a Shot Gun for that matter. Guess I am just too old fashioned and still living in the past. When i first started hunting i can't remember any Auto Loading Rifles that would be considered Varmint rifles so i stuck with My little 22 Hornet and the 218 Bee, 219 Donaldson wasp and was happy to have them, I did finally pick up a 22-250 Varminter and thought ( Man this is the best there is ) Now on to what i have done, Nothing spectacular by todays standerds, I was south of Silver City NM and was making a call when Six Coyotes came at me and i started to shoot and they never turned left or right and i had to reload and shoot all six of them. GO FIGGER, It has not ever happened since and don't expect it will again     ..........Joe..............

[Larry Gibson]

oso45-70

I've accepted his appology and as I said just chalked it up to miscomunication.  I am interested in his methods and techniques, also location. With two successful calls like that I might learn something from him.

Like you I have called in as many as 5 confirmed because they were dead (maybe 7 or 8 but it was hard getting a good count the way they moved through the sage and cover).  I have killed several with a bolt gun on one call but always did better with the semi when the shooting was at short range. By short range I mean your field of fire is maybe 25-50 yards when the dogs appear. You then will have only a short distance and time to engage them untill they are beyond that field of fire and out of sight again. When you have good fields of fire out to 200+ yards and can call them in close then there's really not much difference between the bolt gun and the semi. I lived in NE Oregon for 18 years and did most of my coyote hunting all over eastern Oregon.  Conditions varied from wide open to dense cover.  Most all successful calls resulted in one or two coyotes, only a few resulted in real multiples. I've only seen the one cavelry charge also and only wish to see it again. I do not expect to either.

I would like to know how he does it is all.

Larry Gibson

[kyote]

Hmmmm,there can only be one answer to this question.fast follow up shots.hmmm,maybe two answers.fast auquisition and shots on multiple targets,gaaads,three now.more ammo in the fire arms,maybe a forth,most can not afford a quality semi or full auto firearm and choose to ditzz the autos...
I own a couple bolt rifles(and I think I can operate the bolt pretty fast),But when I really get after those filthy coyotes,I take two semi autos to the set with me.one rifle in .223 and a shotgun in 12 ga.both hold more then 5 rounds.and both can empty there high cap mags faster then most folks can get two shots off from a bolt gun.and this can be done accuratly.
It makes me wonder why an experienced coyote hunter  would ask such a question.But I now know.
and I think it makes a difference were you are located and where you call,what yer preferance might be.around my parts.I have had upwards of 20 filthy coyotes running at me all at once from all points on the compass.
I have had herds of the critters racing at me neck and neck through the desert trying to get there 1st.Then there is the fact that not only coyotes answer the call.but bears,bob cats and mt lions.heck, I have had deer come charging in.so I want to shoot fast some times, and accurately.and have a lot of lead going out to stop a charge if I have to.
I saw one of you use an M-1 carbine..I have two of them..one is a highly gone over one.synthetic stocked, 11 degree crown,wolf springs through out.polished and honed moving parts.trigger crisp at 3 lbs.I have loaded bucoo ammo for it.my favorite is the norma 93gr soft lead nose with a buch of accurate powder under them.the bullets are silver in color.and very accurate at 50 yards.don't have a scope on them so I shoot open sights at 50yards at a 2"orange square.I took the rifle hunting one time.It was a cold winter day.was sleeting and raining.I went out to the city dump.and went a bout 500 yards from the land fill and with the wind in my face I started callin on top of a mesquite dune.I had a 30 round mag in the rifle.well several coyotes started coming in I could see one in front of me and one to my left and one coming from my right.the 1st one there was the one coming from the front.I fired at less then 20 yards and could see fur fly.the coyote turn to retreat.two more rounds fur flew then the one on my left broad side let two ripp at it then three at the one on my right.those bullets acted like icepicks on the coyotes.found blood and tracked for a while.I guess if they were hit in the spine are the brain pan they would have been mine.but they were not.I am sure two of the coyotes recieved fatal hits.but ran off to die else where.I have never taken it hunting again.just to competion matches were we shoot two guns(rifle and pistol) at close quarter ranges.I have read a lot about using # 2 shot for coyotes..interesting.I am sure it will do the job at close range.as that was my favorite in the jungles for shooting turkeys.but it was 2 3/4s loads.and was devestating on them.but I can tell you from a lot of experiance that #4 buck in 3" mag is a coyote killing load.I have shot many coyotes at 85 plus yards on the run with it and they have crumbled.
but then I have done the same with BBs.I don't believe two's have that power at that range.I might be wrong.

[Glanceblamm]

Joe
Larry
Onecoyote
Kyote

Did you ever touch one or have it brush you while it was blowing on by?
Have you seen that look of deadly intent turn into wide eyed suprise when it jumped in the blind with you and realized what you were?
Talk about getting the blood pumping :shock:  
My Answer Is Yes, but I attribute these encounters to my early days when my setups were not so great.

[oso45-70]

Glanceblamm,

When my son was four years old we were calling off of a hill that was covered with Bear grass calling into a slight breeze when all of a sudden some thing caught my eye where Little Joe was sitting and a coyote had ran over him, He looked over at me like what the hay is going on POP.
That coyote had came right by my truck and over the hill to have supper and just went on like he was going that way. He Missed my truck by a couple feet. I did have a Fox come up on my back side and check me out.
I have had some great things happen to me in the years that i have been calling, Some of them are so wild its hard to make any one understand that its not Bovine Splatter. When i was a kid on the ranch i would climb the ladder to the top of the wind mill which had a large platform and call using my lips and have them gather beneath me and start to howling and raising cane. Theres no end to the storys i can tell so i will give some one else a chance. Stay safe ..........Joe.........

[onecoyote]

Larry,  the 9 coyotes were taken in Mexico and they came in one at a time, if all 9 came in at once I'd be lucky to get 1 or 2 or none at all.

The 12 was at night in Nevada and they also came in one at a time.

I actually had some other stands in Mexico that had so many coyotes running around at the same time you couldn't count them all.

Larry, much of my hard hunting days were done before predator hunting became so popular. I believe there was more and dumber coyotes then we have now.

I can't post pictures with this computer at this time, but I'll post some pics soon if you'd like to see some.

Like oso-45, I've been at this game a long time, not as long as oso but 42 years worth. I was into competition hunting for some 25+ years and picked up some tricks along the way.

I am always welling to help others if I can. Everytime I go predator calling I learn something new.

Glanceblamm, I know that look in there eyes, like....OH NO!!! or Holly S--t lol. Coyotes sure do have expressions.

Kyote, you seen the pictures of 27 dead coyotes not to mention the 5 cats and fox taken all in one night using bolt action rifles lol.
Kyote was at my predator hunting museum a couple weeks ago, great guy and a hardcore predator caller.

[kyote]

Okay 3rd times a charm,the power has gone out here 5 times now.And I am on duty.the wind is blowing with 60-70 mph gust.dustier then heck can not even see the mts that are less then two miles away with peaks @10,000' the pass is at 5700' above sea level.the  3rd post I was almost done.dang and the power went out again and bam...lost the whole shootin match.
Yes,I did drive up to see onecoyote his museum and the one and only coyote coffin.very nice place and a senic drive wonderful coyote country.I made 6 sets on the way up.and bagged two dogs.
He has some ole photos (piles of dogs)of the good ole days when coyotes had never really been called by anyone.and I reckon would come running at just about anything you called them with.some really neat old eletric callers I believe an ole Johny steward reel to reel.and a bunch of other inetersting things related to callin in those filthy coyotes.
He is one of 6 folks ever to be inducted in to the predator callers hall of fame.and if memory holds I believe only three are alive today.lotta neat trophys from calling also that he has won.he is well addicted to callin coyotes.
Myself,I have only been calling for ten years.the 1st eight years all most cost me my family.I would go every other day from oct 1 - end of feb.leave at 0 dark 30 and return home very late at night.I had to slack up a bit the last several years.But.I have been such a pain in the a-- staying at home.they want me to get after them again.They are beggin me to go.he he he,...so next year I am going to get after them with all I have.
when you go offten and call a lot.you get to see things others only get to hear about.and you kill coyotes in numbers that others find to be unbelievable.we had a contest on the internet several years back folks from all over the world where there were coyotes enterd.every one agreed to pay the winner ten bucks and the contest would go to 100 coyotes everyone posting as they killed coyotes.plus the winner would get a trophy made and donated by one of the guys.Heck,In a couple weeks I had 52 coyotes with photos.and with all the other enterents that took us over 100 and I won.most those guys were thinking I cheated.most did not send the money.ya know.what can I say.when I play..I play hard.and the last thing I need to do is cheat.not in my blood..let me hit the send button for the power goes out again.

[Glanceblamm]

Great read guys, Me thinks you all went hard core along time ago and there is no turning back.

oso45-70 wrote:
[/quote]When i was a kid on the ranch i would climb the ladder to the top of the wind mill which had a large platform and call using my lips and have them gather beneath me and

Gentlemen
I have heard Joe do this. Sounded good, real good.

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[kyote]

onecoyote,
                My son was drawn for the badged oryx hunt.he is very excited.I am in need of a decent ranch that I might can take him to shoot a deer.and him only..I have a couple in mind but have not asked as yet..any hook ups on your end??thanks

[onecoyote]

I can hunt coyotes on about 1/2 million acres of pvt ranches, but deer? I don't know.
I do know where a nice deer is hanging out next to the lava flow, it was a 3x3 last year and looked to be pushing the high 20"s maybe even close to 30. This year he should be a real nice deer.
Next time you come by I'll show you where I've seen him at, on public land too.
Baged Oryx hunt means he can go on the base with you right?

[Larry Gibson]

onecoyote

There it is, miscomunication for sure! I was talking about multiple coyotes coming in or showing up where you have multiple targets at the same time. You were talking about multiple singles coming in. Two different scenarios. My apologies for the misconception. I have been quite successful with the bolt gun on multiple singles also. It was when two or more showed at the same time I find the semi's to be appropriate.

One poster, maybe a couple mentioned African hunters saying they can operate a bolt "fast" when they have to. I disagree, as I watched quite a few African videos including some of charging buff and lion. I've seen only one hunter operate the bolt while the rifle is still shouldered, never seen a PH do it. The one video where the tracker and PH get nailed by the lion chargining out of the scrub was very poor shooting and weaponscraft. No one worked the bolt from the shouder and no one took a knee to shoot the length of the lion.  Other than old high power shooters and some taught at the better rifle courses, proper manipulation of the bolt action rifle is somewhat of a lost art. You see poor manipulation of leverguns and other action types also.  

kyote

As to the effectiveness of #4 buch I think one should go out and pattern their shotgun at various ranges to determine the potential effectiveness on coyotes. One or two hits with #4 buck is not going to drop a coyote unless the brain or spine are hit. Those are very small targets. I must add that my experience comes from using the 2 3/4 shell with 27 #4 in it if I recall correctly. Perhaps the 3" #4s do better. I will get some and pattern them.  Also I picked up a hlf of box or so of those Norma M1 Carbine loads years ago and used them on jack rabbits. I found they gave no expansion and acted like the FMJ bullets which were poor killers on rabbits and coyotes. As I said I used the Hornady 100 gr HJ and found it quite effective. You might try those.

glanceblamm

I had an owl take my hat off one night when calling foxes out in Mission Bottom along the Willamette River by Salem, Oregon years ago. Scared the be-jesus out of me! Also down south of Jordan Valley out toward Three Forks late one September I was hunting with two other guys. We were in my jeep with no top and crested a rise late in the afternoon. The dirt track we were on stayed just below the crest so we could just see what was on the other side. The rise was a small semi circular sand hill with a sage filled bowl in it about 300 yards across. Beyond that was another hillside about 500-600 yards away with 6 coyotes sunning themselves. Craig, who was in back spotted them and the wind was in our favor. He gave a quick look through the binos and said they hadn't seen us or at least weren't concerned. I imediately shut the engine off and coasted down completely out of sight. Craig took his 25-06 and snuck out to the point to cover the bowl. John took his .243 and went about 100 yards to his right and crawled over the crest into some thick sage, he would make the call using a Circe. I went about 100 yards to the right of John to cover the right flank ridge.  Our technique was to let the caller bring them in as close as possible before anyone shot. At the call the coyotes dropped down out of sight but appeared headed for us. About two minutes into the call I heard bah-da-dah, bah-da-dah (what sounded like a horse galloping) coming from the right. I had snuggled into a sitting position with by back into a sage that was just taller than I when sitting. The gallop came from the right and stopped behind me.  I figured the coyote had stopped running and was walking toward the call as John had stopped calling right after the gallop stopped. Iwaited for the shot but there wasn't any. I looked back over my left shoulder and was looking right into the face of a very surprised coyote not more than a foot away! He had very bad breath!  I'm not sure who was actually more surprised because he got clean away!  John had stopped calling because two had come in from the left across the bowl. My frantic scream (I don't recall screaming but John and Craig won't let me live it down!) put the kabosh to that call. No coyotes killed but a heck of an exciting call.  You don't win them all......

Larry Gibson

[oso45-70]

Larry

I had a buddy who did not belive you could call a wild animal, especially a coyote, So i took him with me one night and made a call,, waited a few minutes and made another while sitting in my pick up and all of a sudden a owl came right in the rig with us and he screamed bloody murder, Needless to say he was convinced. We did get a few coyotes in that night. He is now an ardent coyote caller ...........Joe...........

[kyote]

onecoyote,Thanks, I am sure I will be heading your way again.and the badged hunt does mean I can escort him.But this might be a problem..not sure yet but I may have 8 others to escort..I was lucky and was drawn also.I will bring you a chunk of beast when it is over.
LG,....I have patternd all my hunting shot guns and loads from 40 to 100 yards in 20 yard increments..I put 4x8 sheets of plywood out with the outline of a deer on them.I spent all day playing.had a roll of leftover newspaper reel to cover the boards when they got to hard to read.that has been a while back.it might have been 15 years ago since the last time I patternd a shotgun.I had bought a H&K super 90.and thought it was shooting low.it came with three screw in chokes.well after a range session,I found my assumtions to be correct.I called Briley up and told them my delema,the said they could correct this.so,I sent the gun and the extra barrel I bought for it an 18"iron sighted barrel.briley corrected the problem and I have four chokes for the  barrels now.X-full down to imp.when I recieved the shot gun back from the..I went to the range and shot at a pattern target I set a 40 yards.x-full is not much tighter the full.but,it is tighter.the 3"magnum shell in #4 buckshot with 41 pellets in it..works fine..don't getme wrong now..I shoot them with all kinda 3" magnum shells.00 buck/1buck which I had a lot of.but when I buy for the season I normally buy a case of 4 buck and a case of BB both in 3"magnum.now I don't kill a coyote with every shell.But I love to blast.and not all the coyotes will stand still for me.and my follow through can be bad as my swing some times.and the dang coyotes kicks in the afterburner and I can not catch up to em.and see the shot hittin right behind em.and when it does they kick it up a power notch and I can,t seem to bring the lead/lead (two words two meanins)into em..but stuff does fly behind em he he he..I might give those hornadys a shot.But I also have a carbine in .44mag..it is a coyote dumpin machine..he he he..

[onecoyote]

Kyote, maybe you and I should hunt the World hunt this next year lol. We both know the guy that won it a few years ago with 17 coyotes. I do believe we can out do him in his own back yard if your interested? :wink:  :wink:  :wink:

[kyote]

onecoyote..as I said..my partner has become ill.one lung was removed last year and his knees are under surgery..he is done.sounds good to me.am in need of a serious coyote calling partner.we shall do it..

[Larry Gibson]

kyote

Sounds like you've done your homework with that H&K. My response was in referance to the 2 3/4 shells as I was a LEO at the time and got them for a reasonable price. They were also the shells the government shooters were using at the time. I might just have to try the 3" shells out.

Quite a few years ago a friend loaned me a Ruger .44 carbine to try. I loaded it up with Sierra 180 HCs over a lot of H110. As you say it was "a coyote dumpin machine". Back then the furs were worth quite a bit so I quit using it because of the pelt damage, ripped big ass holes on the way out!

"the dang coyotes kicks in the afterburner" Gotta love it when that happens!  I always found it interesting how a coyote can go from standing still to 5th gear overdrive in about 3 bounds! Was driving through Burnt River Canyon south of Durkee Oregon one time and caught a coyote running along a hillside about 150-200 yards away parallel to me. I pulled over real quick, leaped out and slid under the road side fence coming to a quick kneeling position with my M1A. the coyote was loping along pretty good. First shot went right under his belly, second hit right behind his ass. By this time the coyote's hind feet were reaching out in front of his ears to dig in (5th gear OD or "afterburner"). I got him on the 15th or 16th shot.  Hell of a shoot out!  My hunting buddie was laughing so hard he never did get a shot off!. No real finess there but I doubt I would have got the coyote with a bolt gun.

Larry Gibson

[Glanceblamm]

Larry
Great Storys!
About those Owls...I will usually get a few in every year. I sometimes wonder if they dont try to bluff a yote, or especially a fox out of their dinner via a few low passes.

Great reading all

[onecoyote]

Larry, back in the good old fur days was 79. Coyotes were going for 80 big ones if you was hunting in the right places. You're that old lol. :wink:

[Larry Gibson]

Larry, back in the good old fur days was 79. Coyotes were going for 80 big ones if you was hunting in the right places. You're that old lol. :wink:

Yes, I'm that old. Best price I got was $90 for one and that was in '79 or '80. I have lamented selling it, sure was a beauty! I was actually hunting them for quite a while in the "bad old days" before then!

Larry Gibson

[Larry Gibson]

Larry
Great Storys!
About those Owls...I will usually get a few in every year. I sometimes wonder if they dont try to bluff a yote, or especially a fox out of their dinner via a few low passes.

Great reading all

You could be right. Since that time I've heard others swoosh in the air on night calls. Funny story is one night out SE of Burns we were calling and it was the first time we'd tried using a red filter on the light. After a couple minutes the guy with the light swept the area in front. There were 4 pairs of small eyes that looked like they were a long ways away and from the movement up and down and sideways it looked like 4 coyotes were really bounding in. Called anther minute and swept again with the light but while they were still bounding in it didn't look like they were much closer. Called another minute and swept again, same thing. Did this three or four more times and we couldn't figure out how those 4 coyotes weren't getting any closer! Finally what we thought were 4 coyotes bounding in finally came into view about 25 yards in front of us. They were 4 baby burrow owls walking into the call!!! We were laughing so hard we said hell with it and pitched camp right there, ate some C-rats and drank a beer.  In the morning we found we'd called the baby owls out of their burrow only about a hundred yards away. LOLs!

Larry Gibson

[Glanceblamm]

Finally what we thought were 4 coyotes bounding in finally came into view about 25 yards in front of us. They were 4 baby burrow owls walking into the call!!! We were laughing so hard we said hell with it and pitched camp right there

 :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D

Yes, I'm that old. Best price I got was $90 for one and that was in '79 or '80. I have lamented selling it, sure was a beauty! I was actually hunting them for quite a while in the "bad old days" before then!

I think that Cabelas is selling a yote pelt for $125  :?  :?  :?
You can bet that they didnt pay anymore than market price. I really dont know who their clientel would be or if they have continued these sales.

I can remember when the Black Yotes fetched top dollar....at least they did till hair slippage latter on said cross with domestic dogs.