Author Topic: Wal-Mart to stop selling guns. (Read 5618 times)

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:13:59 AM »

cookieman

Last months gun show had just over 600 tables and it is not one of those flea market things , everyone MUST be selling guns or shooting related items . :wink:

MSP Ret · « **Reply #31 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:17:41 AM »

Stimplu32, what is an "MC Sports"? I have never heard of them. What part of the country are they located?....<><.... :?

Never mind buddy, I just looked them up on the internet. Thet seem to be located in the nice conservative, safe, central part of the USA, not on the liberal and lunatic fringes (coasts)!!!....<><....

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 19, 2006, 04:47:25 AM »

Yep Andy

We in the mid-west get all the good stuff ,

MC sells just about anything that the sportsman needs . and at or below Walmart prices .

Cookiemann · « **Reply #33 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:09:10 AM »

Nearest one to me is in CheeseHead Country and over 2hrs away. Oh, well,something to look forward to when I head south to KC the next time.

Brett · « **Reply #34 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:23:05 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret

Stimplu32, what is an "MC Sports"? I have never heard of them. What part of the country are they located?....<><.... :?

Never mind buddy, I just looked them up on the internet. Thet seem to be located in the nice conservative, safe, central part of the USA, not on the liberal and lunatic fringes (coasts)!!!....<><....

Hmm... is it something in the salt air that turns people into bleeding heart, liberal lunatics? :shock: Andy, maybe we should think about moving further inland.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:34:18 AM »

Brett

The salt air is good for some things , it helps to turn out some nice batches of Jar-heads down that way . :wink:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2006, 05:38:35 AM »

While it may be a convineance for folks to stop & shop for guns at Walley-World....there will be other places most folks can go.It is nice to have a place to look thru when my wife has some shopping to do..but it really won't make too much a difference in aquiring my hunting & shooting supplies or in buying any rifles...I know they have charged less than a-lot of local dealers for some rifles..but their buying and selling tatics have run many a small gun shop out of buisness....Now with the advent of some of the fine on-line gun dealers and reloading supply houses becoming more prevalent..getting what you need for a cheaper price is becoming easier and easier and is just a mouse click away..I know it isn't the same as browsing thru isle after isle of new things..but that isn't something I enjoyed doing at Walmart in the first place..All of this sounds to me like the current management of them are becoming anti-gun..if this is the case..I'll take all of my buisness elsewhere..I can do this because of where I live..and it's unfortunate that others may not because of the lack of stores in their area..and my suggestion would be seek out folks you can do buisness with..small time FFL holders can still have guns shipped to them..and maybe you can make arraingments with them to purchase thru..

Mac

Cookiemann · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2006, 08:12:34 AM »

Mac, I fear that you are correct in your assessment of the corp climate at Walmart. A manager at my local store has sited the legal liabilities and all that crap as the reason for the policy changes. That is not the standard corporate response of course, but that is not surprising. They are business men and women and they don't want to P/O all us gun owners. That would most definitly affect sales. The extra record keeping and liabilities of selling firearms was also sited by this manager. All of the stories we have heard about on this forum are a testimony to the poor way they handle these procedures, so it would not surprise me to hear the ATF may have had a few things to say to the Walmart corp. folks on an occassion or two.

I guess it all depends on which side of the fence you want to stand. I doubt that I will ever hear a corp. person say it or that I will ever see anything in writing from corp. Walmart either, so, I will take it at face value...this is a corp decision on the part of Walmart to better serve their customers and NOT an attempt to dis-arm us.

Will they be missed? Yes, by some more than others. Will it affect me? Not so much! However, I do plan on doing some research of my local area and seeking out a Mom&Pop shop to take care of business for me. I hope others will do the same. Let's not let any more of these fall by the wayside. Maybe an FFL application is in my future. Who knows, it really wouldn't take many purchases to make it pay for itself.

Cookie

Mac11700 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2006, 08:48:32 AM »

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so, I will take it at face value...this is a corp decision on the part of Walmart to better serve their customers and NOT an attempt to dis-arm us.

I don't live under any assumptions like this..the fact remains that Walmart's only concern is profit..sure..they may put a little back into the communities they invade..but the economic disruption to a otherwise stable shopping district has been proven long ago..they don't care about their employess either..I have close relatives who work for the company..and know too well all the BS they put them thru..Now..if they were wanting to better serve the customer..they would a have qualified salesforce in their different departments..do they..I think not..not on a whole for the most part..this is what lead to the problem in California..

I find it ironic that they can have exposes' on different personalities who attach their names to certain products when the investigators turn up human rights abuses in the countries in which they are made..all the while nothing is said about how these very same products can be imported on such a grand scale as what walmart does to be bought and sold the public..all in the name of economic growth...

Walmart has bought more land than most people realize..all around many communities thru different holding companies..they have a grand plan of building masive amounts of stores thru out the country...and have been doing this agressivly for several years...don't be surprised when a Walmart opens near you..only to sell things that they can have produced at slave labor rates and conditions..Walmart doesn't do buisness with companies who won't sell for what Walmart demands to buy..and the gun companies know this..the gun companies have been underfire from their own distributors for Walmarts price fixings..because it is cutting the throats of it's smaller sales outlets..which means walmart can dictate even more to them..

I have no love loss for the place..and will utilize other stores for my needs..I know many folks who buy their entire food stocks..cloths..shoes..and just about everything from them..this is what they want....and if they continue..this is what a lot of folks will be faced with...since they will have long since drove out any compition thru unfare ways of doing buisness...

Mac

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:14:59 AM »

And the worst part is that 85% to 90% of what Walmart sells could be made right here in the good old USA . Its no wonder that we loose more and more jobs to over seas companys when Walmart says you will supply this product at this price or else .

Walmart does not care about anything but the all mighty dollar and as far as their reasent problems in the N.E. being just union hype , just remember that THOSE UNION MEMBERS ARE AMERICANS TOO and are trying to inprove the standard of living for not only themselves but all americans .

scrounger · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:24:56 AM »

Quote from: Mac11700

While it may be a convineance for folks to stop & shop for guns at Walley-World....there will be other places most folks can go.It is nice to have a place to look thru when my wife has some shopping to do..but it really won't make too much a difference in aquiring my hunting & shooting supplies or in buying any rifles...I know they have charged less than a-lot of local dealers for some rifles..but their buying and selling tatics have run many a small gun shop out of buisness....Now with the advent of some of the fine on-line gun dealers and reloading supply houses becoming more prevalent..getting what you need for a cheaper price is becoming easier and easier and is just a mouse click away..I know it isn't the same as browsing thru isle after isle of new things..but that isn't something I enjoyed doing at Walmart in the first place..All of this sounds to me like the current management of them are becoming anti-gun..if this is the case..I'll take all of my buisness elsewhere..I can do this because of where I live..and it's unfortunate that others may not because of the lack of stores in their area..and my suggestion would be seek out folks you can do buisness with..small time FFL holders can still have guns shipped to them..and maybe you can make arraingments with them to purchase thru..

If you don't mind paying their price...

Mac

slayer · « **Reply #41 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:49:34 AM »

I have heard that Wal-Mart years ago use to sell Handguns in their stores? I have never seen that here in PA when they moved in about 10-15 years ago. If that is true, they just keep changing more and more. Jack.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 19, 2006, 06:42:33 PM »

Scrounger:

There are small FFL holders who aren't in it to bilk hundreds of people out of their hard earned cash....some are doing it just to get good deals..that's why I said.."Seek out these folks.."....Granted..some do charge significant fee's..but there are others that don't charge as much as well...

Mac

bluebayou · « **Reply #43 on:** March 19, 2006, 07:35:42 PM »

Okay, I can't let this go without my 2 cents.

I work at WalMart and have no illusions about it. On the other hand....why do most people have some rosy, nostalgic view of the past where the businessman cared about the public and was a Norman Rockwell saint giving all of his profits away. You know what? Companies exist to make money. Companies have always existed to make money. WalMart exemplifies how the WORLD changed not just America and not just retail goods. Do you HONESTLY think that goods can be produced here in the USA like they can in China? Give me a break. No EPA, no treehuggers, no OSHA, etc?

We import plywood from China. Plywood! Plywood is heavy for starters and has to cost a bunch to ship. But....Americans can buy cheaper plywood shipped halfway around the world than from here in Oklahoma. Why? Uh, safety, for one. Americans cost more, too. I am sorry, do you think that Weyerhaueser cares about the little man? They shut down the mill here and 268 people were out of jobs. ALL CORPOATIONS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE ALMIGHT DOLLAR. Unions or no unions why do you think that Mexicans, Chinese, etc. are so hot to move here? Most of you don't even know what poverty looks like, let alone experienced it.

Can a man support a family on a WalMart wage? No. Do they pay their "fair" share of insurance premiums to their underpaid workers? No. Do they crush their competition. Yes. Do they dictate rules to their vendors. Yes. Do they save the average blue collar American money? Yes.

WalMart is usually staffed by people who CAN'T work anywhere else or by the "havenots" who don't know what else to do. Wake up. There are no bluecollar jobs for people my age. They are gone overseas. If we didn't get technical skills or the correct degrees then we got screwed.

So....if I work at WalMart then I am not a Christian concerned for my fellow man, American or not? What the does union membership have to do with anything?

Whether WalMart sells it or not, people are going to be buying Chinese for the next 100 years. And Guatemalan, and Philipino, and Serbian, and whatever. WalMart didn't sell out the working man and Unions didn't price the working man out of competition either. The WORLD CHANGED. We spread democracy and we spread technology. We did the Christian thing and we changed the world as whole. These people didn't even have electricity when we were putting a man on the moon. And now, for better or worse, we have changed the world. Teach your kids how to outproduce little Ling Pao and his Red brothers. Use our superior technology to produce, not muscle and not craftsmanship. The world has moved on.

Okay, pulling back on the reins there........but I still don't trust the Russians.

lik2hunt · « **Reply #44 on:** March 19, 2006, 09:33:52 PM »

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I work at WalMart and have no illusions about it. On the other hand....why do most people have some rosy, nostalgic view of the past where the businessman cared about the public and was a Norman Rockwell saint giving all of his profits away. You know what? Companies exist to make money. Companies have always existed to make money. WalMart exemplifies how the WORLD changed not just America and not just retail goods. Do you HONESTLY think that goods can be produced here in the USA like they can in China? Give me a break. No EPA, no treehuggers, no OSHA, etc?

We import plywood from China. Plywood! Plywood is heavy for starters and has to cost a bunch to ship. But....Americans can buy cheaper plywood shipped halfway around the world than from here in Oklahoma. Why? Uh, safety, for one. Americans cost more, too. I am sorry, do you think that Weyerhaueser cares about the little man? They shut down the mill here and 268 people were out of jobs. ALL CORPOATIONS ONLY CARE ABOUT THE ALMIGHT DOLLAR. Unions or no unions why do you think that Mexicans, Chinese, etc. are so hot to move here? Most of you don't even know what poverty looks like, let alone experienced it.

Can a man support a family on a WalMart wage? No. Do they pay their "fair" share of insurance premiums to their underpaid workers? No. Do they crush their competition. Yes. Do they dictate rules to their vendors. Yes. Do they save the average blue collar American money? Yes.

WalMart is usually staffed by people who CAN'T work anywhere else or by the "havenots" who don't know what else to do. Wake up. There are no bluecollar jobs for people my age. They are gone overseas. If we didn't get technical skills or the correct degrees then we got screwed.

So....if I work at WalMart then I am not a Christian concerned for my fellow man, American or not? What the does union membership have to do with anything?

Whether WalMart sells it or not, people are going to be buying Chinese for the next 100 years. And Guatemalan, and Philipino, and Serbian, and whatever. WalMart didn't sell out the working man and Unions didn't price the working man out of competition either. The WORLD CHANGED. We spread democracy and we spread technology. We did the Christian thing and we changed the world as whole. These people didn't even have electricity when we were putting a man on the moon. And now, for better or worse, we have changed the world. Teach your kids how to outproduce little Ling Pao and his Red brothers. Use our superior technology to produce, not muscle and not craftsmanship. The world has moved on.

Rogmatt · « **Reply #45 on:** March 20, 2006, 12:39:26 AM »

If Walmart went union, prices would skyrocket immediately. If Walmart purchased union produced products, the price would be 3 times as much as it is now. Unions are good for the union worker and for Democrat Party contributions, but cause Americans to pay way too much for the products they produce. Unions cause companies to look overseas for their production.

Steelbanger · « **Reply #46 on:** March 20, 2006, 02:16:06 AM »

One of the malls in tha area I live has a regional chain dept. store that always carried long guns. Several years ago they stopped selling guns. Now the wall racks are filled with golf clubs! Sickening. However they still have hunting clothes, cleaning supplies, etc. but no guns.

jack19512 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:20:21 AM »

bluebayou

I would have to pretty much agree with your post. I don't know why some want to continue to demonize Walmart for what is going on . Have a problem with what is going on in this country today? No sweat, just blame Walmart.

Many years ago I purchased a Plymouth Horizon. It had a VW engine. This was way before Walmart became the player it is today. Our auto industry is one of the biggest consumer of foreign parts I know of.

It reminds me of the Harley Davidson motorcycle. There are a lot of mis-informed people out there today. A lot of the owners of Harley Davidson motorcycles look down on people that ride so-called rice burners.

I myself ride a Honda motorcycle that if I am not mistaken is made in Ohio, not assembled but made there by American workers with a lot of American made parts. I would be willing to bet that my Honda is just as much or maybe even more American made than Harley's are.

So, be careful where you put your loyalty. You never know where all or part of that item you just purchased came from. And be especially careful about looking down your nose at someone Else's purchases. None of us want to be a hypocrite.

Hammerspur · « **Reply #48 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:47:36 AM »

"I would be willing to bet that my Honda is just as much or maybe even more American made than Harley's are."

My Kawasaki VN-1500 breathes through the same Keihin carb that Harleys do... :roll:

Cookiemann · « **Reply #49 on:** March 20, 2006, 10:57:51 AM »

In '93 I bought a Spankin' new F250 Ford. Drove it to my second job that weekend. I had a Buddy who had just purchased a Spankin' new Nissan pick-up that same week. WOW, did I have a load of fun just heapin' it on him for buyin' a Nissan over and AMERICAN MADE truck. He let me have my fun all evening and over the 2 way that night as we worked. Little did I know he would have the last laugh. The next morning he pointed to the little tag on the window of his Nissan and also to the little tag on the window of the Mighty F250. Was I put in my place.

F250...Made in Toronto
Nissan...Made in New Jersey

I learned my lesson!!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #50 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:08:53 AM »

Things aren't always what you expect! Just bought my wife an '06 VW New Beetle 2.5, the vehicle sticker lists "Parts Content"...US/Canadian 10%, Mexico 45%, Germany 40%(dunno where the other 5% came from!!!) Final Assembly point- Mexico, Country of Origin- Engine: Mexico, Transmission: Argentina :?

Tim

jack19512 · « **Reply #51 on:** March 20, 2006, 04:17:01 PM »

I'm sure most of you are old enough to remember the Ford Pinto. If you aren't than that just goes to strengthen my point that long before Walmart came into the big picture things were already well on the way to crap.

The manual transmissions they used in the Pinto were either made in England or Germany. I wanted to replace a part in mine once and I had to determine which country produced mine.

For the most part I have given up on the idea of "American made" products. And for those of you who don't know for someone to label their products "American made" they still do not have to be 100% made in America.

I forget the percentage but it is not 100%. Seems like it was 85% or something like that. So, when some snob tells me to buy the only American made bike(Harley) instead of a Japanese rice burner, what are you gonna do?

jack19512 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 20, 2006, 04:25:11 PM »

And let's not forget, we have a Toyota plant right here in Ky. :grin:

Bubba w/a 45/70 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 20, 2006, 05:25:11 PM »

The most "American" made/parted factory motorcycle on the market right now is (what I've been told) the Polaris Victory.

More American parts than the H-D. And I drive one of those, mine was probably actually made in Japan: 1981 FLT. Or at least the parts were back then... This isn't the first time, and I don't think this will be the last time thw US started buying foreign products.

And as for Walmart, I've quit buying anything there myself. The mens department manager pretty much ignored repeated requests to get in longer pants. If I was short and fat I could buy anything I needed in there. I'm 6'2" and can't buy any pants that even have a semblance to fitting my legs... There went my dollars out of their store. Runnings does most of my clothing fitments now. (Runnings is a farm/ag store in the midwest) At least they haven't forgotten that some people are taller than the ones selling the product.

jack19512 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:55:57 AM »

Bubba w/a 45/70

I kind of have the same problem you have when trying to buy pants. But mine is a little different. I am not sure if there is such a thing but I am what a lot of people might consider an average sized man.

Every time I go to Walmarts to buy pants I can find any size but mine. If my legs were just a little longer, or shorter, or if I was a little slimmer, or a little fatter. Anyway you get the picture. I just can't win either.

Brett · « **Reply #55 on:** March 21, 2006, 11:37:09 AM »

Jack,
You wouldn't be around 5'7" tall and weigh approx. 150lbs would you? I run into the same problem. Seems the discount stores are always out of my size. If if there is a sale on shoes you can bet there are no size 8.5 or nines left.

Cookiemann · « **Reply #56 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:51:21 PM »

I know about all that clothing stuff...5'6" and the weight, well its PRE-SUMMER so that's running around 180#....Yeah, Yeah, I know...Really, it IS muscle!!!

Anyway, try buying American made clothing. Just where do you figure the cotton for those Levi, Wrangle, Faded Glory or Lee jeans comes from, anyway. Chances are better than not...IT AIN'T AMERICAN cotton. India is the largest producer of cotton in the world and the majority of ALL cotton grown in the world comes from India and a few west African countrys.

It appears as though its grow your own and sew your own if you want American made cotton. Yeah, I know this is a little extreme. I guess all I am saying is that if American workers are earning money to build it, assembly it sew it or grow it then I can be satisfied with that. I try to get the most for my $$$ and try to be conscious those I can keep working in the process. What else can a guy do??

jack19512 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:43:20 PM »

Brett

Actually I am around 5 foot 10 inches and around 170 lbs. My pants are either too tight or too loose. Of course if I can find them and they fit great when new after a couple washings I have trouble buttoning them and if I buy them a little large to allow for shrinkage I have to go around pulling them up all the time. I don't wear a belt so that isn't a option.

bluebayou · « **Reply #58 on:** March 21, 2006, 05:24:24 PM »

Coincedentally, I just took over the clothing departments at my store. I brought up my two personal issues to the District person: no stores ever have my size 32x34 pants or large shirts or large pants and that the "Levi's" are a shoddy excuse for Levi's jeans. Without getting into the jargon, apparently there is a company wide change this year to restock individual sizes in clothing where before if you sold out of (3) Mediums, for example, then you got 3 of whatever the warehouse had regardless of size. That has to be the dumbest thing that I have heard in a long time. I have been trying to get some Large size coveralls in Sporting Goods for 3 years and never can. Apparently it is for just that reason.

My other complaint about the low quality, fake Levi's that we sell didn't get a response. To concede a point to the anti-Walmart crowd, these crappy, "WalMart only" products to reach a price point are cutting our own throat imagewise. My Winchester Black Shadow M70 was a WalMart only rifle that is CHEAP, CHEAP. These thin, easily torn Levi's without red tabs or stitching on the pockets are CHEAP, CHEAP.

TrapperZach · « **Reply #59 on:** March 22, 2006, 12:44:07 AM »

they havint herd any thing about it at my wallmart but i duno im gona order that .22 mag before they change there mind lol.