Author Topic: Russian Remingtons ? (Read 1482 times)

theoldman · « **on:** March 18, 2006, 04:36:38 PM »

When are these new products going to get here. I have a Model 5 rimfire on order for a couple of weeks and my dealer keeps checking with his suppliers and they keep telling him that they have not got a shipment from remington yet. What is the problem here, a slow boat ? Just wanta try out that new remmi !! :grin:

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2006, 05:50:43 PM »

Patience, wise one, patience; you must know patience is a virtue :lol: :-D

msorenso · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2006, 03:21:09 AM »

the oldman,
Just speaking from experience with remington, Sometimes they have them right away, another time when ordering a gun in march didn't receive until october because they didn't actually got into production until august!

theoldman · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2006, 03:04:38 PM »

Thanks JP for the great advice, I am a patience person, just the older I get the less patience I seem to have. I am inclined to believe along the same lines as msorenso. I have worked in industries for many years and some time manufactors just wait until the orders are large enough to retool. Remington is no different I guess. Good health and good shooting to you guys.

theoldman

ps still want to shoot that remmi :grin:

safetysheriff · « **Reply #4 on:** April 04, 2006, 11:50:37 AM »

Quote from: theoldman

:grin:

no disrespect intended, but why buy anything you don't have to -- from a communist? the Russian leadership is again looking like they want to embrace communism and a cold-war stance toward the United States. that's enough for me to tell them to peddle their 'stuff' elsewhere!

just my opinion,

ss'

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #5 on:** April 04, 2006, 01:25:20 PM »

Quote from: safetysheriff

Quote from: theoldman
:grin:

no disrespect intended, but why buy anything you don't have to -- from a communist? the Russian leadership is again looking like they want to embrace communism and a cold-war stance toward the United States. that's enough for me to tell them to peddle their 'stuff' elsewhere!

just my opinion,

ss'

You mean socialism?

Siskiyou · « **Reply #6 on:** April 04, 2006, 06:46:14 PM »

I have to agree with safetysheriff I am not interested in a Russian-Remington. I mean they are pushing Irans buttons. History tells us do not trust the Russians.

MGMorden · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2006, 07:21:02 PM »

Quote from: Siskiyou

History tells us do not trust the Russians.

Distrust and hostile attitudes certainly won't improve the situation. For the current time, they are no longer communist. I say we embrace them openly to keep them from going back. Just MHO. Heck it's amazing what we were able to do with Japan. A little more than 60 years ago we were at war. Today we're about as best-buddies as you can get.

old06 · « **Reply #8 on:** April 12, 2006, 01:39:19 AM »

Quote from: MGMorden

Quote from: Siskiyou
History tells us do not trust the Russians.

Distrust and hostile attitudes certainly won't improve the situation. For the current time, they are no longer communist. I say we embrace them openly to keep them from going back. Just MHO. Heck it's amazing what we were able to do with Japan. A little more than 60 years ago we were at war. Today we're about as best-buddies as you can get.

Ronald Reagan said it best trust but verifie with the Russians and as far as Japan goes 60 years ago we turned 2 of there cities in smoking self lit parking lots and kicked there tail around the Pacific they had there modern industry built by the good old USA there our best buddies like Germany there not what we see standing behind us when the chips are down IE England, Australia and maybe one or two more they just want our bucks.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #9 on:** April 12, 2006, 12:23:45 PM »

I would trust a Russian before a Japanese any day....but that's me.

NONYA · « **Reply #10 on:** April 12, 2006, 01:05:08 PM »

"amazing what we were able to do with Japan" WTH?Whats amazing is what we allowed the Japanese to do to us,they are one of the richest nations on the planet and its all thanx to the US and our reconstruction programs after the war.The russians are trying to get into the market that japan and china have built here in the US,why would we EVER trust them? :roll:

MGMorden · « **Reply #11 on:** April 12, 2006, 03:52:20 PM »

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"amazing what we were able to do with Japan" WTH?Whats amazing is what we allowed the Japanese to do to us,they are one of the richest nations on the planet and its all thanx to the US and our reconstruction programs after the war.The russians are trying to get into the market that japan and china have built here in the US,why would we EVER trust them? :roll:

We were able to turn them from a hostile nation that outright hated us into a modern commericalized society that is one of our best trade partners. They are Americanizing at a staggering rate (and are still able to hang onto the key aspects of their own culture, which is as it should be). Half of the packaging text in Japan (even on products not meant for export) is in English. Their music has shifted much more to match ours. Yes England and some others might be willing to side with us more quickly in military matters, but you'll have more people looking down on you for being an American in Britain than you will in Japan.

Don't be so quick to lump China and Japan together. China is a communist nation capitalizing on it's very poor populace and repressing it's citizens' human rights (with most of those citizens living at poverty levels most Americans can barely imagine). Japan is a democratic country with a very high standard of living that makes products that in most areas rival or surpass our own in quality. Say what you will, but if we can do half as good in Iraq as we did with Japan then the world will be much, much better off.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #12 on:** April 12, 2006, 04:10:49 PM »

Not to turn this into a political discussion, but MG is right. We have been at conflict with China many times over the past several years with several recent events. The one that sticks out in my mind the most was that F-8 pilot (Wong Wai...or sumtin like that, sounds like "Wrong Way" in English...how ironic) who got broadsided by our C-130 and then when the plane landed, the US crew was held hostage for at least a week. I talked to a training F-15 pilot in the last year or two and he said that he was trying to train on air-to-air rather than air-to-ground because he thinks it won't be long before we're in a battle against China.

I've also heard that Japanese obesity is starting to rise too. Japan is definitely taking on the American trend with that statement alone :lol: :-D

old06 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 12, 2006, 06:30:49 PM »

We will never be able to do what we done in Japan in Iraq. Japan prime motivation was empire building through there military war machine. Iraq is a religious based conflict and IMHO it can never be won, history has few clear victory in such matters. The best we can do is to establish a government that can take care of there radicals the whole region is a breeding ground for these Christian hating types. Best we could do is to have some good double agents in country after we leave. We may have to take these matters back in hand in the future. As you know we set up the current government structure in Japan so there success in world matters shouldnt surprise anyone along with the work ethic is a winning combination. What we done in Japan was possible only after a true beating of there war making effort. To do this in Iraq would be world out cry most liberals dont have the moxie for such matters and would screw it up. China on the other hand is something we should fear the pre Clinton military would be able to pull it off I feel but since we cut our world war on 2 front military. I feel less secure in these matters what China is doing now is flexing there industrial machine and it wouldnt take too much to turn it into a true mirror image of our WW II industrial machine. Just my 2cents

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 12, 2006, 06:38:33 PM »

Ok so aside from all the governmental BS...has anybody ever shot one of these?

old06 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 12, 2006, 06:48:23 PM »

That would be no! I don't even know anyone who has one seen the single shot at Wally World looked at opened it a few times and went on about my way. We did get off track huh!

theoldman · « **Reply #16 on:** April 19, 2006, 04:08:44 PM »

Gentlemen; I did'nt mean to start a political war here. Just wanted to know if any one knew anything about these rifles. SS no disrespect taken. I use to believe that I would never buy anything that was not American made, and still try to when ever I think the product is best. I now own a toyota and 3 cz rifles. The toyota is the most trouble free car I have ever owned and the cz's will out shoot most of the other rifles that I own, and were less expensive than their American counter parts, not as good looking though, Ruger got that, but that is all they were. I got tired of buying more expensive and less quality while watching the ceo's of American companies give themselves fat pay increases at the expense of the workers and the buying public. Heck, I think every one buys foriegn made products whether they know it or not, but mabe not from Russia. Thanks for all the inputs. If I ever get to own one of these rifles I will let you know what I think of it, good or bad.
theoldman

corbanzo · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:13:34 AM »

And when was the last time a hostile bullet from a russian or a japanese been fired at an american? Been a while, huh? You know, if it's a quality product, I don't mind buying a gun from a foreign producer... Most of what I have is american... but still, I won't knock a firearm from a foreign producer, it's all about quality. If they can produce a quality firearm at a respectable price, more power to them. The people who work in an arms factory in russian have kids to feed, just like we do.

msorenso · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:20:06 AM »

Thank you,
As much as I didn't like seeing a-5 from japan or any of the rest of what browning made but man the quality is excellent

NONYA · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:24:25 AM »

Corbazo,what about the factory workers here in the US?And these Rems that I have seen were far from a quality firearm,people buy them cuz they are cheap,it has nothing to do with quality.

theoldman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:25:23 PM »

Nonya: Thanks for your post, Ihave not seen any of these Russian Remingtons yet, If the quality is less than an American rifle then I wont but the russian. I can cancel my order at any time. As for quality I have two cz's that will really shoot great without a single malfunction. The 452 rimfire will group less than 1/2" with federal champion. Last trip to the range the average for 100 rounds was .430. I have not got any american that will do that. The 527 223 will also average under a 1/2 inch. I have shot my friends remington xr 100 and it does well but as of now will not groop as well an the 527 cz, and it cost more. I do really like the feel and looks of the remington better than the cz though.I have never shot a rifle from the bench that sits in the rest as good as the remington xr 100. I think that american arms companies are capable of making the best arms in the world, but for some reason they dont always do this. I blame the lawers and bean counters for this. I have seen this in the industries that i have worked in. Good luck and good shooting
theoldman

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2006, 05:47:01 PM »

Ok guys I ended the political discussion a couple of posts ago...last warning or this thread will be gone.

NONYA · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:12:06 PM »

who said anything about politics? :roll: