Author Topic: STOCK UP! Stock Pile! Hoard, whatever you want to call it! (Read 2509 times)

S.S. · « **on:** March 20, 2006, 04:57:39 AM »

I am hearing some ugly things again about surplus ammunition about to start getting scarce again. So I am reminding everyone to STOCK PILE
some for the future again. As I understand what I am hearing, Copper is
starting to increase in price as is brass. I heard a rumor that some ammunition is starting to be disassembled to reclaim it's component metals. I have noticed the price of reloading components has jumped again in the last few months also so I think there is something to the rumors. I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist sometimes but It always pays to be dilligent.

Davemuzz · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:16:37 AM »

Maybe you should cut back on that medication you are taking?

1911crazy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2006, 01:17:32 PM »

S.Sumner we just talked about this not too long ago and i don't really think its going to happen this soon but your right its happening already. The 6,5 swede surplus and 7mm mauser is gone and the 8mm mauser surplus is iffy and getting spotty too now. Even the 7,62x39 has dried up too. So whats next?? Sorry i left out the surplus 303 britt too its all gone too.

I'm glad i put some pennies into all new Lee Dies in military calibers too. I did it a little at a time so it didn't hurt my cash flow. Its hard for the newer guys to understand we the old timers been thru ammo shortages before. I remember when the surplus 8mm mauser ammo was hard to find and if you did it was very expensive too. I heard a rumor too when the 7,62x39 comes back it will be $200 a case of 1,000rds too. I think its a good idea to get reloading dies and brass right now. I may make a tool to decap berdan cases too so i can use surplus brass too. Buy plenty of 22lr ammo too in a pinch a 22 rifle is fun to shoot too we can go back if we have too.

I was thinking of getting a LEE pro 1000 press in 7,62x39 and in .223rem too. In the near future it just maybe worth it. I already have a LEE pro 1000 in 45acp.

jh45gun · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2006, 10:04:31 AM »

Yep thats why I have dies for my milsurps though I have dropped down to 3 calibers 7x57. 6.5x55 and 7.5x55. I got rid of my 8mm and Mosins, but when I had them I had the dies for them too.

qajaq59 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2006, 01:03:37 AM »

Those shortages are the reason that if I even "think" about buying a rifle, I start by looking for dies and brass before I buy it. If I can't get both then I wont buy the rifle. But I'm more of a reloader and shooter then I am a collector.

1911crazy · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2006, 04:18:40 AM »

This is one reason i never wanted a swiss k31 rifle because there was no new ammo to be found nor was there any surplus ammo available too. Even now the surplus swiss ammo is expensive too. But now the shortages are happening on the other end of the ammo supply the ammo we had plenty of at one time. Were kind of lucky today because we have the european ammo manufacturers stepping up to the plate and their making new affordable ammo for us in most military calibers while there not making all of the military calibers yet were seeing some added. Were still missing the 8x50, 8x56, 7,62x45 and 7mm mauser(7x57) in the new affordable imported ammo.

If your looking at a new caliber in a military handgun or rifle your right to checkout the avalibilty of dies and brass first if you plan on shooting it.

We can offset by reloading too I purchased military FMJ pulled and new bullets too in 30cal in both 147gr & 150gr bullets weights. For plinkin its the way to go. I'm not going to send expensive hunting rounds down the pipe when i'm plinkin or just target shooting unless i'm zeroing it for hunting but for playing around the FMJ bullets will do fine.

Funny right after 9/11 happened i seen a guy buying up many 500rd bricks of 22lr when the store had a sale on it. Its also a cheaper way to shoot too. They do make a lot of neat add on's for the ruger 10/22 too you can trick one out and have a lot of fun with that too.

qajaq59 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:15:04 AM »

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We can offset by reloading too I purchased military FMJ pulled and new bullets too in 30cal in both 147gr & 150gr bullets weights.

That is what I do as well. Most of my target shooting is with pulls or cast, and when I want a hunting round I buy a box of a 100 good bullets, work up an accurate load, and then put 20 loaded rounds away for hunting.

All I need the others for is to practice breathing and other techniques to improve my shooting. In fact I don't even zero the rifle for each different combination of components. So long as they group tight I'm satisfied.

S.S. · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:25:58 AM »

Save this thread and post it again next year at this time
and we will see if I am right. I have very close ties to 2 prominent ammunition manufacturers and they have both discussed with me the
shortages of metals used in their manufacturing processes.
Have you not noticed the increases in ammunition prices in the last six months? in some places it has been substantial. I have seen some rifle cartridges jump $8.00 a box more in the last year alone.
And as a side note, It is better for everyone if I keep my medication dosage where it is.

Andrew Quigley · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2006, 10:13:43 AM »

Well I sell nonreloadable brass to a scrap yard in town. Saw the price they give go from .25 cents a lb. to .65 cents a lb. in the last two years. The last I sold was back in December and I've heard the price is up a little more.
copper is through the roof again and lead is even going up a little. My old boss from the scrap yard tells me that scrap steel is the highest it's been in years. His buyer said that China is buying up most of it. Japan did the same thing back in the 30's. Ya know, right before Pearl Harbor!!

Blammer · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:25:08 PM »

You guys are a bit late to start this topic, prices are going up as we speak....

jack19512 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2006, 11:55:56 PM »

I have never thrown away any Berdan primed brass. I have always reloaded the Berdan primed brass for my K31. Cost me about twenty five cents to make a decapping tool for the 7.5X55 Swiss.

I will at some point have a lot of 8mm Berdan primed brass and I will reload it too.

qajaq59 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2006, 01:47:24 AM »

I notice in my area that powder isn't all that cheap either...

Blammer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2006, 06:00:51 PM »

order some milsurp pulldown powder, it is about $10 a pound and that is delivered witht the hazmat fee...

of course you have to buy in bulk...

1911crazy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2006, 05:51:21 PM »

I just ordered some new brass too and i think once a month i'll order some brass till i'm over flowing with it.

jeager106 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 01, 2006, 03:21:42 PM »

Well if we keep buying and hoarding it is sure to go up!
That said I try to stock up too.
For a short time 7.62X39 was none existant.
Scalpers were gettin 50 cents a round on e auctions.
I just got 500 rounds from Cheaper Than Dirt and have another 100 comming from Cabelas.
All 122 grain Wolf h.p.
That's plenty enough ammo for quite some time for my SKS.
I have dies but see no sense reloading for the thing when Wolf is out there and available.

1911crazy · « **Reply #15 on:** April 02, 2006, 05:44:50 AM »

Quote from: Blammer

You guys are a bit late to start this topic, prices are going up as we speak....

I believe we posted this well over a year ago already. With the surplus 6,5mm swede ammo, surplus 7mm mauser ammo running out and the supply of surplus 8mm mauser ammo running low we said it was time to hord ammo. Plus you never know when the importation of cheap new ammo can stop too.

I believe the post was about what will dryup first in the surplus market guns or ammo. I think we were trying to read the market and predict the future. I guess our crystal balls were pretty much correct except the surplus guns and surplus ammo seems to be drying up at an almost equal rate but the surplus ammo may have a little leading edge. Oh by the way its happening sooner than we predicted, soon after the ammo started showing signs of being spotty and having shortages in the supply.

The swede mausers are just about gone, the 7mm '93 & '95 barreled receivers are gone, the finnish m91/30's are gone in the past 1 1/2 years
and now the better condition swiss k31's are just starting to dry up too lately. We have but a few russian mosins, yugo mausers, german mausers, britt enfields and a few turk mausers left right now. As the yugo sks's are just starting to hit a low the unissued ones are getting scarce. This makes the near future of collecting kind of grim but we will still have gun shows and some older collectors recycling there stuff which may keep some still interested but the prices are going up too on all this stuff as the demand increases too.

BTW; Checkout this site for reloading supplies too like powder, primers and bullets too besides surplus ammo they have decent prices too. They have new surplus bullets and pulled surplus bullets too.

go to; www.wideners.com

qajaq59 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2006, 01:40:04 AM »

With the K31s and many of the normal collectables drying up it makes me wonder which rifle will be next to become the HOT item to buy at low, low prices?
Any guesses?

S.S. · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2006, 05:13:44 AM »

I am not counting on seeing a whole lot more to be honest about it.
As most militarys went with select fire weapons in the 50's and 60's
I do not see a whole lot more being made available. I have recently heard that a couple of South American countries are Buying up Ship-loads
of 7.62x39 ammo from European suppliers also. So you may see a sudden drop of availability of this ammunition in the near future.
I also just read that The Psycho that runs Venezuela (Chavez) just made a huge purchase from Russia of 100.000 Ak-47's and numerous helicopters, and God only knows how much ammunition. Another headline was that the opposition party in Mexico during this election has strong ties to Chavez. Our country better wake up and really start paying attention
to what is going on below our southern border. I was involved in an informal conversation recently with some U.S. servicemen and their main concern about Central and South America was how many Chinese "Advisors" were currently there. The number mentioned was 50.000.

Turk · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2006, 05:46:09 AM »

S.Sumner,

Your Post: I was involved in an informal conversation recently with some U.S. servicemen and their main concern about Central and South America was how many Chinese "Advisors" were currently there. The number mentioned was 50.000.

If we've got 5 divisions of chinese troops south of our border that could be a problem. Red Dawn? Sounds to me like what I call a buddy story or the GI's were maybe drinking too much Bud.

Turk

Remember to pray for our troops.

1911crazy · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2006, 05:49:45 AM »

Quote from: qajaq59

With the K31s and many of the normal collectables drying up it makes me wonder which rifle will be next to become the HOT item to buy at low, low prices?
Any guesses?

I have no clue to what the next hottest surplup buy will be. Right now the excellent condition swiss k31's are running out. We still have a few German 8mm mausers left. The yugo 8mm mausers are thinning out too. There still is a flood of russian mosins with the laminated and hex stocks still being offered to us. There are still barely a few russian m59 mosins left yet and some russian m38 mosins are around again too which both of these were rare and scarce for quite a few years. I think when the rest of the M59's and M38's dryup this time thats it we'll never see them again. The future of collecting looks grim right now. I'm not too sure what century is going to offer in reworks too. The'll have to take surplus full-auto's and make them semi-auto's like they have been doing but what is really left out there right now. The only thing i see that could maybe imported is the SKS's from Korea and East Germany but i wonder what the prices will be too. I'm not going to spend $1,200 for an sks to have the bragging rights. After seeing the first Chinese sks going for $1,000 and the yugo sks going for $1,200 when they first arrived thats just silly. It makes me wonder what the Korean and E.German sks prices will be when they first arrive too? I have no clue what we will see thats priced very low again besides what we have right now i just don't see it happening in the future.

The price locally on surplups now are $200 to $350+ on everything lately and some of the stuff is junk. Even the lowest priced surplus gun is going for $200 now. And surplus military handguns for get it locally they are tripple in price already.

Some surplus military rifles are even marked unknown calibers too and i'm afraid of these for they maybe rechambers that went bad. I don't see the market getting any cheaper either. Now that some of this stuff is hitting 100 years old now were well into the antique area and i wonder if we will see some of these prices get close to antique stuff too. We probably won't see the prices go that high until more of the supply of this stuff runs out then its going to get scary on the prices.

The only hot buy right now besides the swiss k31 is the Russian Izhmash Saiga, this is the hottest thing to hit our shores since the first chinese norinco sks din in the late 80's. Its a brand new AK47 in a sporter wrapper and its offered at an affordable price too. I think its unmatched in our market today too its dependable, reliable and very accurate too and its got the Russian Izhmash quality thats been proven in battle for many years. Were not getting someone's rework were getting the top of the line brand new russian made ak47 sporter for the price tag between $300 to $350 depending on what caliber you want too. Besides seeing the saiga offered in 7,62x39, 5,45x39, .223rem and 308win i would like to see them in 7,62x54r and 8mm mauser and more calibers too. With its quality chrome lined chambers and bore the saiga's can handle any kind of surplus ammo too corrosive or non corrosive too. I think the saiga's in the near future will be as popular as the sks's are too.

Otherwise the future of surplus military gun collecting looks grim? Once the supply bottoms out with nothing left we will be searching the gun shows for finds along with some dealers looking to recycle them to us too at much higher prices too. The only other source is older collectors selling off there collections too. Otherwise we will have to search and look for good finds else where like gun shops and pawn shops to but price wise we will be at there mercy too.

My point is if you want surplus military guns now is the time to get what you want before there all gone while there still affordable too.

BTW; Have you ever been to an antique gun show "blackpowder"? I walked into a antique gun show once and i felt like i just rode my japanese bike into a harley gathering these guys have there own zip code there are unique. After settling down i walked around looking at this awesome older stuff. Nothing was under $1,000 it was all priced between $1,000 to $4,000 average and as high as $10,000 too. Is this the way our surplups will be someday in the next few decades or sooner. What will that $75 dollar russian 91/30 mosin be worth then. I'm sure most of us are looking at these guns right now for the fun of collecting and to shoot them and not for an investment but down the road what will they be really worth as they age more.

I figure once one thing dries up we can go to something else to collect too. Those older Ross's, Martini's and Snider's are starting to look good now too. I guess some of the older rim fires we can't shoot because were do we get rimfire ammo. This is another direction we can go too. We'll always have modern guns too.

1911crazy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2006, 06:20:47 AM »

Quote from: Turk

S.Sumner,

Your Post: I was involved in an informal conversation recently with some U.S. servicemen and their main concern about Central and South America was how many Chinese "Advisors" were currently there. The number mentioned was 50.000.

If we've got 5 divisions of chinese troops south of our border that could be a problem. Red Dawn? Sounds to me like what I call a buddy story or the GI's were maybe drinking too much Bud.

Turk

Remember to pray for our troops.

Lets look at the whole picture south america Venezuela is buying up so much 7,62x39 ammo from russia it has caused a shortage here in the US of it. Someone's getting ready for something? Now talk about red dawn there are estimated that 25k arabs are here already from before, with the 6k of college exchange students they couldn't locate, plus the 25k they estimated crossed our mexican borders into the US with who knows what weapons too. So where does that leave us, near a red dawn situation thats for sure its comming soon i think we can count on it. All these bad guys ain't here to pray or go to the mustang ranch thats for sure. The ones who sit back and say it can't happen are fooling themselves. The movie Red Dawn showed them how to do it right? All of a sudden we need a fence to keep then out who is going to build this fence Cheny's company haliburton?

Now with all these mexicans entering our country with all the spanish here already its only a matter of time they will have the voting in there favor. I watched our politicians talking about making the illegal aliens american citizens but they don't have a clue that in the near future there jobs are in jeporty too. I think this border situation isn't looked at like its a serious problem but its worse than they think. We need to stop these illegal imigrants from entering our country we just don't need the increase in population. Right now there are mexicans and arabs all over the place and where did they all come from in the past few years. Isn't anyone watching the store or the gates? This is no joke anymore. :roll:

ButlerFord45 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 07, 2006, 02:34:07 AM »

Quote from: Davemuzz

Maybe you should cut back on that medication you are taking?

The price of 7.62x39 has gone from $74 in 2005 to $120 in 2006. Three of the major online distributors are currently out of stock. Guess who I believe needs their meds changed.

1911crazy · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2006, 05:22:25 AM »

Quote from: ButlerFord45

Quote from: Davemuzz
Maybe you should cut back on that medication you are taking?

The price of 7.62x39 has gone from $74 in 2005 to $120 in 2006. Three of the major online distributors are currently out of stock. Guess who I believe needs their meds changed.

1. I hear the price of it right now is between $125 to $140+ per 1,000rds if you can find it. I did here that its starting to show up again at sportsmans guide too. Checkout Cabela's too they had the best prices before the shortage.

2. The surplus 303 britt ammo is showing up at sportsmans guide right now too. Thats good news for you enfield shooters.

Back in the late 80's when this new caliber here from china started drying up most were happy to pay $125 a case too towards the end if you could find any. I believe the last shortage of 7,62x39 was in the late 90's and when it came back we were flooded with it at $59/1,000rds. It was russian made barnaul and wolf 7,62x39 ammo. Lets hope history repeats itself soon and we see $59/1,000rds again.

S.S. · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2006, 07:18:19 AM »

I thought the Number was a bit high too on the number of Chinese
in Central and South America. This was until I saw a photo of a formation of them with the Panama Canal as a distant background in the picture.
I do not know the exact numbers that may or may not be there,
but just the ones I saw was way too many for me to feel comfortable about it. The Venezuelan Government (Dictator) already despises us
and you better believe if the Chinese were to offer him "AID" or troops,
he will allow a flood of it. When some of our non-government agencies start being told that their employees cannot discuss (due to national security issues) what is showing up on their survey satellite photos of other countries, something may well be very wrong. The Chinese are there, I have no doubt.

1911crazy · « **Reply #24 on:** April 07, 2006, 10:09:23 AM »

Quote from: S.Sumner

I thought the Number was a bit high too on the number of Chinese
in Central and South America. This was until I saw a photo of a formation of them with the Panama Canal as a distant background in the picture.
I do not know the exact numbers that may or may not be there,
but just the ones I saw was way too many for me to feel comfortable about it. The Venezuelan Government (Dictator) already despises us
and you better believe if the Chinese were to offer him "AID" or troops,
he will allow a flood of it. When some of our non-government agencies start being told that their employees cannot discuss (due to national security issues) what is showing up on their survey satellite photos of other countries, something may well be very wrong. The Chinese are there, I have no doubt.

Scary? And we never hear any of this on the news lately at all. Thats for sure that China has no love for the US either. Maybe thats why they want to put the Iraq vets who returned home who are battle hardened on our Mexican borders? It was said by one of our politicians lately but nothing else was said about a threat comming from the south. Do you think a Red Dawn situation is comming soon or in the near future? :roll:

Well its almost time to chew bubble gum and kick @ss and i'm all out of bubble gum.

jbweld · « **Reply #25 on:** April 07, 2006, 10:36:41 AM »

There is a post on another site that South Korea is selling off some of thier surplus. 700,000 M1 carbines, yes that number is correct. They also supposedly are selling some 70,000 Garands. If this happens, I guess here is your new wave in surplus firearms. With the quantities involved, prices would seem to be quite reasonable, no? :grin:

ETA: They were also talking about some 10,000 Enfields with m/m bolts, but the consensus was that they would not make it to the states. :cry:

jeager106 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 08, 2006, 01:38:09 AM »

what in the world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red Dawn???
Someone does need thier meds changed.
And if that happened you and your Sweed 96 are going to do what? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

1911crazy · « **Reply #27 on:** April 08, 2006, 03:16:26 AM »

Quote from: jeager106

what!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red Dawn???
Someone does need thier meds changed.
And if that happened you and your Sweed 96 are going to do what? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I don't have a Sweed 96.

Have you noticed lately who is selling you milk and gas at the marts lately? My question is where did all these people get the cash to go into business?

Time will tell so what are you going to do if it ever happens? :-D :-D :-D

S.S. · « **Reply #28 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:05:47 AM »

I have now read that some of the companies are dropping
many calibers from their product lines, and only producing
their top sellers because of the increase of metals prices.

S.S. · « **Reply #29 on:** April 11, 2006, 08:45:40 AM »

The U.S. has been being "INFILTRATED" for years.
But I do not think the threat is coming as much from Mexico
as I do from things such as Student Visas. AS I am
of Irish, English, Dutch, Cherokee and Apache heritage,
I do have mixed emotions on imigration. I also know that borders are
places that need to be secure. As far as a RED DAWN scenerio,
the mere fact that so many Americans are armed would prevent
something like that from happening. If America falls, it (in my Opinion)
will be an internal situation that causes it, not an outside force.
I do not know where most of you folks live, but here in Georgia
there are a LARGE number of Militia Groups. And I do not mean
the ones like you see on the T.V. Documentaries. These are extremely
professional groups that consist of Doctors, Lawyers, Police, Engineers and Military personell. Many of the Officers in these groups are currently
in the armed forces of the United States, And I mean Ranking Officers.
Majors, Colonels and the like. They are Very well trained, Very Well funded (one I hear issues it's members standardized weapons) and Patriotic in the extreme. I would not envy an invading force
that tried any "Red Dawn" crap in Ga. I can assure you that if large
numbers of parachutes started floating down on Heard County Ga.
they would be real sorry for landing there.. If you remember what Baghdad looked like with all the Tracer fire being sent up, that should give you some Idea of what I mean. There is a term people
from the north used to use about Southern Soldiers during the Civil
war, They called us them "WILD EYED SOUTHERN BOYS" ...
There was good reason for that....
And yes, my dosage is still the same on my Meds...