Author Topic: bigfoot pictures---the truth. (Read 9327 times)

NONYA · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:40:25 PM »

I was able to clean up the pic that was posted with my reality removal tool and i think Im starting to see somthing...

kyote · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2006, 03:23:45 AM »

Hmmm.can not be real..if you closly examine the photo (and only some one with a keen sence would notice this)you will see that the tree in the back round is bare.wineter time.and big foots hibernate then.But I am learning from my contacts in southern mexico that they have been spotted on remote beachs in southern mexico drinking coronas that they have pinched from tourist beachs during the night.and rumor has it they are training crabs to click their pinchers loud to send messages.I need to study this photo a little more for further updates.

Savage .250 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:33:29 AM »

I know the "Righteous Brothers" when i see-um.

D.G. · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2006, 09:46:48 AM »

What if find really interesting abou this whole mess is the number of people that regardless, if they are skeptics, squatch hunters or fence riders, is the undercurrent of how desperately they want to believe this animal exists.
Why else would this train wreck generate this much "heat".
Some know this animal exists.
Some are skeptics.
But it seems there is a core inside even the skeptics that indicate they want to believe.
Fascinating the way the people are galvinized on this one.

Graybeard · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2006, 10:23:34 AM »

I admit to being highly skeptically of the existence of such a creature. Much of that skepticism is based on the complete lack of plausible evidence folks who are seriously trying to proof it exists have been able to come up with. Part of it is based on the clearly out and out hoax's that folks have perpetrated and the poor excuse for photos touted as super clear.

I'd like to believe the stories told by folks like Telahnay's g'son and Bullet Maker among others here who say they've seen them but I guess it's hard to know who to trust and not trust with so many clearly false reports abounding.

I've set and listened to Doug's stories both by phone and in person and I definitely get the feeling he believes what he says to be truthful regarding his many encounters. Yet thru all of them he's come up totally empty handed as far as credible evidence to show rather than tell. Still for a man to so obviously believe his stories as he does you have to wonder how much reality there might be behind them. Just dunno.

John aka Telahnay's g'son also tells a very credible story of the events of the LA hunt. One could easily believe what he says to be true from his obvious emotion he puts into it. That he believes what he is telling us to be true I don't question.

But until I see one personally or until a dead body properly tested and DNA confirmed to be a previously unknow creature by scientist who then classify it as whatever it might be I guess I can but remain skeptical. Yeah I'd kinda "like" to believe it's true if for no other reason than to then know folks who have told all the tales of their sightings were truthful and not liars or just sadly mistaken. And heck I'd like to think at least one big critter is out there that mankind has so far been unable to prove exists after so much effort.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2006, 10:43:28 AM »

As for us nonbelievers, it comes down to facts vs fiction. I personaly dont believe BF exists becuase there are no concrete facts. BF has been around [aledgedly] for centuries. But there is zero factual evidence.

Heresay, rumors, stories, shaky video, shaded photos, folklore, unknown sounds, bacon baiting, morse coded "woodpecking" yada yada..That is all we have.

You guys who want to belive in BF, thats fine and more power to ya, but you cant sit there and tell us we are somehow wrong for not buying into something that has never been proven to exist. The end

Now where is the icon for the little smilie guy beating a dead horse, haha

Fishbone35 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2006, 02:33:19 PM »

For those interested, there is an excellent article regarding purported bigfoot photographic evidence, which can be viewed at the following link:

Evaluating Purported Sasquatch Photographic Evidence, by Alton Higgins

After reading over this thread (as well as other threads concerning this photograph on other forums), one paragraph in particular stands out as being relevant to the present conversation:

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A second category of images includes photographs that were not necessarily faked, but in which purported bigfoot details are unclear or undetectable. Admittedly, this sometimes involves subjectivity on the part of those assessing the photographs. Indeed, opinions may vary regarding even the most compelling images, such as those in the Patterson/Gimlin film (which some critics continue to describe as grainy or blurry). Nevertheless, I believe that most unbiased observers, including those within the bigfoot research community, would have little difficulty agreeing that any photo requiring equal parts interpretation and imagination (photos sometimes characterized as blobsquatches) should be discounted.

As a serious researcher of this subject, I agree with Professor Higgins assessment and in this particular case, no matter how much "better" the original photograph may, or may not be, I don't believe there is enough to it to warrant any serious consideration.

No offense to bullet maker, I'm sure he believes he's seeing what he thinks he's seeing, but unless he can provide something of substantially better quality, and clarity, then it's simply yet another blobsquatch in a very long line of blobsquatches.

(Personally, I've never put too much stock in photographs anyway. I'm still waiting for someone to collect the $100,000 that the Willow Creek Museum is offering to anyone that can replicate the trackway left by "Patty" at Bluff Creek, California back in '67.) :wink:

[edited to correct the year. Doh!]

WmRoy · « **Reply #37 on:** March 22, 2006, 06:21:52 PM »

Excellent post Fishbone35!!

Great points and thank you for the links!!

It's great to have someone over here that knows what he's talking about... :-D

Fishbone35 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 22, 2006, 06:38:48 PM »

Thanks, WmRoy! Much appreciated. To tell you the truth though, I'm still learning as I go. :wink:

It's a fascinating subject to me, has been since I was a kid. And one of my biggest hopes is to finally see this creature documented and accepted by "mainstream" science, and anything I, or any other enthusiast for that matter, can do to help further that effort is a push in the right direction, IMHO.

Fish

NONYA · « **Reply #39 on:** March 22, 2006, 07:26:05 PM »

I pretty sure there has to be one before it can be accepted by the mainstream scientists,and there isnt one yet and until there is(very possibly never) you shouldnt treat non believers as ignorant,at this point you guys are the ones believing in a myth. :-D

Fishbone35 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 23, 2006, 02:00:49 AM »

It must be nice to be able to amuse yourself on such a consistent basis. :roll:

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at this point you guys are the ones believing in a myth.

I'd like to make one thing clear. I believe in God Almighty, but I most certainly do not believe in bigfoot. Belief is based on faith and I'd no more believe in bigfoot than I would believe in gorillas.

What I do believe is that there has been enough evidence found to support the existence of these creatures. For me, that evidence is primarily the footprints that have been turning up for centuries across broad expanses of North America as well as other countries around the world. Couple that with the thousands of ordinary people who have witnessed something extraordinary and the subject becomes even more compelling.

I think Rene Dahinden said it best many years ago when he said, "Something's making them g*dd*mned tracks! I want to find out what it is."

NONYA · « **Reply #41 on:** March 23, 2006, 01:28:37 PM »

So you are willing to believe somthing can exist from non evidence like an impresion in the ground that resembles a large human foot?WOW!I know where there are some real dinasour tracks in solid stone,and over in africa there are human foot prints in solid stone,you might be looking on the wrong continent!

Ray Ford · « **Reply #42 on:** March 23, 2006, 04:35:02 PM »

As a friend--I hope that I still am--of both Bullet Maker and Telahasy's g'spm, I regret the obvious divergence of these two guys. I have seen, in BM's home under more amicable circumstances, a clear 8X10 of the picture at issue. Although I have an array of possibilities in my mind, I will not advance an opinion of what it shows. That isn't my purpose. What I would like to suggest is this: anytime a picture such as this is obtained on a game camera, the area should be treated like a crime scene with supporting evidence--maybe foot prints, hair, or such--carefully recorded and preserved. It matters not whether the creature pictured is squirrel, a deer, a bear, a cougar, or a big foot.

Speaking of cougars and tracks, in the l960's in Oklahoma, I made casts of what I believe to be cougar tracks. Eagle Chief Creek in western Oklahoma traverses my wife's family farm--which we now own. My nephew found a succession of what appeared to us to be very large canine tracks in the sand bars in the creek. We made 2 or 3 plaster casts.
The cast print measured 5.75 inches from side to side. We puzzled over what kind of dog or wolf could have made the track. A survivor of the supposedly extinct Buffalo wolf? I was not an experienced tracker.

Some years later, an acquaintance asked me if the tracks had claw marks on the toes. He told me that canine tracks had claw marks while filine tracks did not. The tracks had no claw marks, so I concluded that they were cougar tracks--which explains the size.

The problem is that, according to all wildlife experts, cougars, during the 1960's, did not exist in either.

Ray Ford · « **Reply #43 on:** March 23, 2006, 04:40:11 PM »

I just viewed my post, and I noticed a couple of typos: I hit a "p" instead of an "o" in "Telahasy's g'son" and I omitted the word "Oklahome" in the last sentence. It should read "...didn't exist in Oklahoma either." Sorry. As an ex-journalist, I hate it when that happens.

John · « **Reply #44 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:21:20 PM »

Rayford, I've been to BM's place a time or three myself, and all over the Govt. land to the west of there, and haven't come across any of his hairy friends yet. I have seen a couger in Oklahoma, right about there old hwy 66 crosses the barge ditch now, and it was back in about 1960, or maybe 61.

wills · « **Reply #45 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:43:52 PM »

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wills · « **Reply #46 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:56:23 PM »

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bullet maker · « **Reply #47 on:** March 23, 2006, 07:36:45 PM »

Quote from: Rayford Wllace

As a friend--I hope that I still am--of both Bullet Maker and Telahasy's g'spm, I regret the obvious divergence of these two guys. I have seen, in BM's home under more amicable circumstances, a clear 8X10 of the picture at issue. Although I have an array of possibilities in my mind, I will not advance an opinion of what it shows. That isn't my purpose. What I would like to suggest is this: anytime a picture such as this is obtained on a game camera, the area should be treated like a crime scene with supporting evidence--maybe foot prints, hair, or such--carefully recorded and preserved. It matters not whether the creature pictured is squirrel, a deer, a bear, a cougar, or a big foot.

Speaking of cougars and tracks, in the l960's in Oklahoma, I made casts of what I believe to be cougar tracks. Eagle Chief Creek in western Oklahoma traverses my wife's family farm--which we now own. My nephew found a succession of what appeared to us to be very large canine tracks in the sand bars in the creek. We made 2 or 3 plaster casts.
The cast print measured 5.75 inches from side to side. We puzzled over what kind of dog or wolf could have made the track. A survivor of the supposedly extinct Buffalo wolf? I was not an experienced tracker.

Some years later, an acquaintance asked me if the tracks had claw marks on the toes. He told me that canine tracks had claw marks while filine tracks did not. The tracks had no claw marks, so I concluded that they were cougar tracks--which explains the size.

The problem is that, according to all wildlife experts, cougars, during the 1960's, did not exist in either.

Ray
Thanks for the kind words and the encouragement.

Bullet Maker

bullet maker · « **Reply #48 on:** March 23, 2006, 07:38:50 PM »

Quote from: wills

You do not need a lawyer to register a copyright. You register a copyright by filling out a simple form and sending it to the copyright office. Easier than a drivers license. You do not even have to register to have the copyright.

http://www.copyright.gov/

Thank you for the information Wills

Bullet Maker

NONYA · « **Reply #49 on:** March 25, 2006, 11:07:33 PM »

Beckjord is that all you are here for is to post links to that site? :roll:

bullet maker · « **Reply #50 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:46:54 AM »

Hey guys

I know alot of you are well meaning, but I`ve made up my mind, I dont mind spending the extra money to get it done right, and make sure all the I`s are dotted and the t`s are crossed , if you know what I mean.

thanks

bullet maker

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #51 on:** March 26, 2006, 05:20:20 AM »

Beckjord; you've also cut down two very qualified people in this thread so far. You make them sound like kindergarteners compared to you. I wouldn't really call that professional :?

Skeeterbaymac · « **Reply #52 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:16:33 AM »

Ok You guys had me a little interested in BF. But I got to draw the line at mind control and flying. That one just lost me! Nonya you maybe right! I am going back to the gun end of the fourm. See ya!

Telahnay's g'son · « **Reply #53 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:24:07 AM »

Quote from: JPSaxMan

Beckjord; you've also cut down two very qualified people in this thread so far. You make them sound like kindergarteners compared to you. I wouldn't really call that professional :?

If you go to his (J.E. Beckjord) site you'll quickly get the idea that NO ONE else is "qualified" in this (or likely any other) realm to conduct "research" but the one and only Jon Erik Beckjord.

Was it Eastwood that said something about a fella being a "legend in his own mind" ?

MBA is usually defined as a major on business administration but infortunately some apparently choose to believe it gives them licence to posture as a Major Bad Attitude or to illustrate their version of My Big Arse.

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #54 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:32:28 AM »

I visited JE Beckjord's website and did not get that immediate feeling, but maybe I need to go back and take a closer look :eek:

Fishbone35 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 26, 2006, 11:00:10 AM »

I'm sure all of ya'll are glad to hear that. :roll:

WmRoy · « **Reply #56 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:05:36 PM »

Let's obey the forum rules shall we!

NONYA · « **Reply #57 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:22:17 PM »

This is exactly the same level of "expertism" that was displayed on the BF sites I visited,there has to be a term for people that argue about who is the most pathetic specemin...cryptozoo-oligist? :wink:

Graybeard · « **Reply #58 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:31:15 PM »

The show is over folks, Elvis and beckjord have left the building together. The last I heard Scotty had beamed them and a bigfoot up and they were all going to another dimension to see if folks there believed his stories better than those here do.

He continued to violate my rules in spite of repeated warnings but he crossed a line of no return when he used the f word. That don't fly here and is an automatic end to membership on first offense as clearly stated in my rules. He likely will try to come back under new names but if he does he will not last long.

1911crazy · « **Reply #59 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:18:51 PM »

Well there was a story on the travel channel tonight about creatures. I missed some of it but they did cover Bigfoot and something that fly's like the Jersey Devil and something in Flordia that fly's too. No it didn't say bigfoot flew but that would be a site to see? An 11' ape flying i'd change my brand of beer for sure, ziggy zaggy, ziggy zaggy oy oy oy.