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Offline Paul5388

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« on: March 22, 2006, 03:47:10 PM »
Since I bought some Magtech brass hulls for .410, I decided it was time to get another gun for the shells.  The 1934 Central Arms was passed on to #1 son, which left me without.  So today, as I checked out the local pawn shops, I found an "AY" H&R 088 that was in decent shape at a reasonable price that followed me home!

The brass hulls take a large pistol primer that can be removed with a Universal Decapping die and by using a .303 British shell holder.  The shell holder set that is available for the Lee Auto Prime has the proper shell holder in it, so repriming isn't a problem either.  Add a AA shot cup after throwing a powder charge, a 1/2 ounce of shot and an overshot card glued in with Elmer's or hot glue and it's ready to shoot!  :grin:  

Oh, they don't need to be resized, so that's the complete process.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 03:51:43 PM »
:agree: :agree: :agree: :wink:
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 04:46:22 PM »
I guess I should have said something about the overpowder card/wad.  I took a piece of .30-06 brass and cut the shoulder and neck off with a tubing cutter.  Then I chamfered the inside and outside of the remaining case, which sharpened it.  A few whacks with a hammer and single layer cardboard can be cut.  Punch it out with a straightened paper clip through the primer flash hole.

The hulls cost about $12/25 from Midway, but after a couple of reloading it's some pretty cheap shooting!
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2006, 06:51:47 PM »
Just an update on cutting wads.  Harbor Freight has a "Hollow Punch Set" item # 02580 that will cut wads for 6 different sizes up to 1/2" for $3.99.  That means an over powder wad can be cut for several different calibers including .500 S&W, .45-70, .38-55 and the .410 shotgun.  Leftoverdj gave me the idea and I'm just passing on the rest of the information.  :-)
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2006, 01:41:22 AM »
I needed some cardboard wads for my .56 caliber smoothbore TC Renegade, and since I cannot find the TC made wads in stores anymore, and I like to be able to shoot shot out of it, ususally #7 1/2, I looked around for something to cut my own custom wads with. I decided on using an old broken off steel golf club shaft (I make and repair golf clubs on the side), there is a smoothly tapered (unstepped) brand called a "Rifle shaft", I simply cut the shaft at the location that had the proper inside diameter and deburred the inner and outer edges, sharpening it in the process, it cuts cardboard wads with ease using a hammer and a block of wood beneath the cardboard and using the smoothly tapered shaft allowed me to cut it in various locations to make wads of the exact diameter I needed....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2006, 03:49:22 AM »
MSP,

I don't think I've ever owned a golf club, but that certainly looks like a solution to wad cutting.  :-)   Obviously the set from Harbor Freight falls short on cutting larger wads, like the sizes you're talking about or even 3/4" 12 gauge wads.

Since brass hulls are much larger ID than a plastic hull, there's a need for custom sizes to use as over powder wads and overshot wads.  I may have to go to the golf course and see if there's any bent up clubs laying around!  :lol:
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2006, 03:58:04 AM »
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MSP,

I don't think I've ever owned a golf club,


paul, your a true man  :D


andy i'm disappointed :cry:


A golf course , a waist of a good rifle range
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2006, 06:59:05 AM »
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A golf course , a waist of a good rifle range


Carefull there now mitch...some of us do enjoy the sport.. :wink:

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2006, 07:51:02 AM »
hitting little white balls with a stick isn't a sport, its not a sport until you can bleed playing it
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2006, 09:08:42 AM »
Mitchell,
            I gave the guy driving the ball picker upper thing a the driving range a really bad bruise one time. Does that count?

Paul,
        How much do think cost per shot is? Have you experimented with many shot sizes? Do any actual hunting with them yet? I'd love to see you post over on the H&R/nef shotgun board about them.
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2006, 02:30:50 PM »
Markus,

This has been an experiment for me and it's just beginning.  Cost per shot will be easy enough to figure, which I haven't done yet, but it is really going to count the most for shells that are priced way beyond their worth.  By that I mean cost per the amount of shot/shell when compared to a much cheaper 12 gauge shell with more shot.  The .410 is a prime example of paying too much for lesser amounts of shot and etc and the 16 gauge would probably be an example too.

I always hang around the NEF centerfire section or the Dan Wesson Hnadgun section, so I never thought about the shotgun section.  I don't have a problem with moving the thread to the shotgun section if you want to do it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2006, 07:24:14 AM »
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Since there isn't a crimp used to keep the shot in place, an overshot wad is cut with a 7/16" Hollow Punch (the tool in the front) and hot glued in place, like these have been done.

I have been using, on the experimental loadings, 1/2 ounce of shot with 17 gr of H4227. These hulls are set up for Large Pistol Primers.

The hull on the far left has been crimped in a .45-70 seating/crimping die, but I don't know yet how it will function.




You can see inside the hull a little better here and you can see I got a little carried away with the crimp. :?

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2006, 07:56:25 AM »
Ok mitchell...here ya go...



Just one of the little types of water hazzards you can encounter playing this sport...I think if you can't keep it in the fairway..he would make you bleed trying to play thru... :)  :)  :)  :)

Nice set up Paul for your shotshells... :agree:

Mac
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2006, 12:45:07 PM »
Mitchell

I happen to enjoy golf , just take a marker and put the names of people you don't like on the ball and swing away . Great stress re-leaf .  :eek:  :D
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2006, 02:30:38 PM »
Mac,

I haven't ever seen anything like that in St. Louis!   :lol:   I'd say that was more like Florida where they have lot's of palm trees and croc-a-gators.
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2006, 03:25:08 AM »
oh well thats it , you see every time i tried to play i never saw any of those green wrestling buddies now that might make it worth while (where's my clubs)
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2006, 04:15:00 AM »
I shot a few of the brass hulls yesterday. One was fired at a box measuring about 18" X 24" at 30 yards and I found about 12 pellets in the box. It hit pretty high, so that may not be a good indication of the potential at 30 yards.

I had one hull I had fired in another gun that wouldn't chamber in the H&R 088. The only way I could figure to resize it was to run it through a .45-70 resizing die. It did fine on the resizing, but a .45-70 is also shorter than a 2.5" .410 hull. A fairly good roll crimp was the result, but it would chamber in the H&R. When I fired that shell, it straightened the crimp back out, but it also split in several places! The hull isn't ruined, but I can say from experience, a roll crimp probably shouldn't be used if you want to use the hulls very long.  :roll:
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