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« on: March 24, 2006, 11:43:38 AM »
I'm seeing more coyotes than deer where I hunt. About time I cut down the population. Question 1: How about getting one of the compact, inexpensive digital callers with remote and using it along with a mouth call? The little digitals probably lack range but I could start with a mouth call and then switch. Question 2: Are the motion decoys effective?  I've messed around a little with a mouth call but they spot me and veer off before I can get a decent shot. It would be nice to have something away from me holding their attention.

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2006, 01:27:41 PM »
lilabner, no need to over do it. Lots of new people spend to much money on things they don't really need. New hunters also tend to out think themselves.
Predator calling is simple, all you need is a call ( hand or e-caller ) and a rifle you can hit something with.
The sport nowadays is all about advertising and big money, just go out there and start calling.
Your set up ( stand ) is probably the most important thing you can do in predator calling.

A simple list of things to do.

#1-If you don't have camo, you don't need camo, just ware something that blinds in. Remember movement is your worst enemy.
#2-If you are using an e-caller put it in the open so the animal has to show it self. With a mouth call also try to call the animal out into the open but remember the animal is coming right at you, watch the movement.
#3-Look for signs, scat, paw prints. Hard to kill a coyote if it ain't there.
#4- Try to set up high so you have the sight advantage on your stand.
#5-Coyotes usually head downwind, so keep your attention in that direction, but remember they can come from any direction.
#6-It's always a good idea to spend alot of time at the range with the rifle you are going to be using. :D
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2006, 02:31:00 PM »
Hand callers are fine, and I know hunters that have some success with e-call. Here in Iowa from Jan on where we have snow on the ground a range finder works best.
When its cold and the wind blows as it does here, when the sun comes out, the song dogs will lay out on the down wind side of a slope in the sun to warm up, near the top. I have personally killed many bales of hay, but also a few coyotes. We have found that for the most part the coyote will stay out beyond 100 yds. When it really gets cold -0, they can be found in the day and called in. They take the path of least resistance, a long the fence line, a frozen creek bed, down the highway. I have tracked a coyote with a small blood trail, through snow up to 2 ft in dept. I found tracks of the dog observing me from a close distance to my side when I tracked to that point. Lost the varmint to the den site and so I gave up.
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2006, 07:03:22 PM »
No disrespect intended, but one thing I don't do is shoot coyotes when they are denning. Why would you want to whip out a den of 6 or 8 pups?  :( Those are targets for the fall and winter.  :grin:
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2006, 09:47:33 PM »
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When the coyotes are denning is when i do my loading and polishing my guns and getting my outfit ready for the season coming up. The only time i will go after them is if there is livestock predation. And even then i will make sure i work in the area  that the predation is taking place. This will be my 58th year of chasing the wiley coyote, that is if i don't croke and if i do croke all i can say it has been a lot of fun and would not have done anything different, You all have a good day  :D  ...........Joe..........
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2006, 12:12:20 PM »
Oso45-70, I got 42 years under my belt, would have been more but I had to do my duty in the US Army. Your advice and my advice add up to be 100 years of predator hunting experience speaking. :cry:  :(  
I'm kinda of a history buff when it comes to the sport and it does have alot of history. Heck, I even have a predator hunting museum lol. Lilabner, I'm not telling you not to hunt coyotes if you want, I'm just giving you something to think about :wink: .....Good hunting
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2006, 02:56:45 PM »
Do all the loading and honey do's you want, and be a good scout. In my area the song dogs are moving in town, and cats and dogs in the back yard are easy prey. What will be next? I don't go after the fox, but coyotes are 24/7 and 12 months. There is a saying that when it all go's hell the only creatures left will be the coyote and the cockroach. So put the cockroach on your protective list too.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2006, 03:23:59 PM »
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Do all the loading and honey do's you want, and be a good scout. In my area the song dogs are moving in town, and cats and dogs in the back yard are easy prey. What will be next? I don't go after the fox, but coyotes are 24/7 and 12 months. There is a saying that when it all go's hell the only creatures left will be the coyote and the cockroach. So put the cockroach on your protective list too.
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Jim n Iowa  No one is telling you not to shoot them in Iowa or any where else as far as i can see. I'am telling who ever wants to read my post that most of us in the South west  give them a break so we have a good crop of Coyotes to shoot when they mature. AS for the Snippy remark about the cockroach i think was uncalled for. If you will notice the guys that hang out here are pretty easy to get along with and welcome every ones opinion. Hope you have a great day and bag lots of yotes. Good hunting :D  :D  :D .............Joe............
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2006, 04:58:01 AM »
Jim, like oso45-70 stated, nobody is telling you not to shoot coyotes. You have to look at it like we do, we've been hunting coyotes for a long time and have a great deal of respect for the animal.
I personally don't like the idea of shooting a bitch coyote with 6 or 8 pups, that's a wast as far as a serious predator caller is concerned. That's why most of us don't hunt them during denning season.
I live in the middle of cattle country, now and then a rancher well have a problem. No matter what time of the year it is you need to get rid of the problem.....Good hunting
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2006, 01:13:23 PM »
Gee guys I apologize if I may have been a little rough. My first statement was most of us hunt Jan thru end of snow. Now I don't know about your south western yotes, but here the heat is anywhere from late Jan thru Feb. So I don't believe they are denning up with live pups while we hunt in the winter. As for my "snippy remark" made me think of the phone call with Gore and Bush" at the end of the election. I believe it was called a "snippy remark or similar". Sorry to hear you all are low on coyotes, you're most welcome to come to Iowa and recruit all you can. I have heard that the well organized  coyote population  have petitioned to be in our state fair parade a "million strong". As a after thought I grew up in Wyoming and Utah and I am no stranger to the desert as I saw it from a much colder view. Thanks again for your input.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2006, 05:17:25 AM »
Jim, everything is cool. The internet can be a strange place when it comes to understanding what people are saying or trying to say.
I believe one of the  biggest reason is the screen has no face, you don't know if someone is joking or? No expressions on a face.
Another problem is people expressing themselves with typed words, I just don't think typed words are as good as the ones coming right from the person themself. Just my opinion, good hunting to ya. :grin:
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2006, 12:28:27 PM »
I can see where varmint hunters would not want to cut back their sport by shooting mama coyotes. The other side of the coin is what coyotes are doing to the deer and antelope fawn crop. A few years back, 90 percent of the antelope fawns at an eastern Oregon antelope refuge were taken by coyotes before they were a month old. An aerial hunt brought the coyote population down by half and the next year, most fawns survived. Enough coyotes is enough. They can reach critical mass if they aren't controlled. Out on the BLM, they were controlled by poison baits but that was stopped.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2006, 04:36:04 PM »
Poison is still used in this state and any state the ADC works in. I can understand controlling coyotes populations to a point.
Seems to me coyotes, deer, antelope etc were doing just fine tell man came on the seen.
The big problem with me is I love hunting coyotes, I don't need a government agency wiping every thing out, and they do.
Predator hunters well do it for free and won't kill everything in site, the ADC well.............Good Hunting :wink:
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2006, 08:05:59 PM »
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A little known fact is that Eagles take more antelope in this part of the world than cototes. From about where Onecoyote is on south the Mexican Black Eagle comes up from Mexico and preys on the Antelope. I have witnessed them soaring above the little fawns and go into a dive and never stop, Just grab the little fellers and take them to a high hill and eat them.( Bet uncle Sam wouldent poison them ) While trapping i have had the Occasion to observe this from a high point with Bino's and its not very pretty. I told the New Mexico Dept.of Fish and Game man in the Silver City area about this and his responce was ( We don't Discuss this ) I do know that the coyotes do take their share of fawns but by the same token they do get a lot of bad press.
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2006, 03:25:20 AM »
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         Ya know,I did not think about that(big birds)taking the new borns.we have the great horned owls all over around here.I have seen them with cats and dogs in thier talons flying off to eat some place quite.and the golden eagles they are huge.most folks would not believe how big, untill they saw one.and the ranches I have hunted,the owners have said shoot any bird you see bigger then a dove.he he he..and the bald eagles in NM are in record numbers now.they are supposed to be taking them off the endangered list.and if those birds feed well this year.which they will because of the drought..our game animal population will be a little lower again next year.
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