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Helicopter Shot Down with Brno Mauser
« on: March 26, 2003, 01:44:33 AM »
Several current events web sites have featured the story, complete with pictures,  of an Iraqi farmer posing with his Czech Brno mauser that he used to shoot down an Apache Helicopter.  When gun control advocates ask  how an armed citizen can possibly defend his country  in this hi-tech era, show them this picture. The answer  appears to be:  quite a bit.

None of the stories say what caliber or ammo was used, but from the  photo's it appears to be a stock, unmodified VZ24.

Does anyone else have any comments on this story?

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Helicopter Shot Down with Brno Mauser
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2003, 02:22:01 AM »
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The more I hear about helicopters in war-time, the more I believe they're an accident waiting to happen.  I swear a good slingshot in David's hands would bring down most of our latest and greatest Apache's and monster twin rotars.  Now that ugly "WartHog" that's one tough aircraft, like the preverbial Timex............Takes a Lickin' an keeps on Tickin'!  No thanks, I'd rather walk!

Jim
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2003, 04:38:19 AM »
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Advocate,
The more I hear about helicopters in war-time, the more I believe they're an accident waiting to happen.  I swear a good slingshot in David's hands would bring down most of our latest and greatest Apache's and monster twin rotars.  Now that ugly "WartHog" that's one tough aircraft, like the preverbial Timex............Takes a Lickin' an keeps on Tickin'!  No thanks, I'd rather walk!

Jim


Jim the warthog is a unique slow low level ground support plane. It has three different flying systems incase one gets shotout she can still make it home. Plus the pilot is in a titanium bath tub well protected. If you seen footage from the first gulf war these planes returned with holes shot in them wing tips and tails damaged and still flew back to the base.
If most remember Vietnam our choppers were shot down with bambo sticks??  Plus the choppers running into more aggressive guys on the ground and areas that are suppose to be safe but I guess no where is safe there yet?? You have to watch your back too there.       BigBill

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2003, 08:14:40 AM »
I find it hard to believe those farmers shot down the Apache.  It takes one large set of doo-dads to engage a gunship.  My theory is a mechanical failure, not due to hostile action.  If it was a shot, it was a LUCKY first shot.  All that bird had to was swing its nose downward and pull the trigger.

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2003, 08:37:55 AM »
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I find it hard to believe those farmers shot down the Apache.  It takes one large set of doo-dads to engage a gunship.  My theory is a mechanical failure, not due to hostile action.  If it was a shot, it was a LUCKY first shot.  All that bird had to was swing its nose downward and pull the trigger.


Castaway,
After seeing or hearing about two Apache's going down and captured, I begin to doubt if it was mechanical......I know the desert storms are killing everything injesting all that dust and sand but these were flying in good weather I thought?????????

Jim
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2003, 09:30:08 AM »
I don't know how true they were, but I remember reading accounts of Afgans shooting down HINd choppers with old muzzleloaders...the soft lead would tend to stick to the tail rotor, or take a chunk out of it, which would throw it out of balance and bring the whole works down in a heap.

I have to wonder, though, how much of this most recent story was fabricated simply to motivate more Iraqi civilians to resist the infidel hords.  While I'm sure it can be done, I have a hard time swallowing the fact that a farmer with a Mauser brought the bird down to begin with considering all of the redundant systems in the Apache, and secondly that the farmer was able to be tracked down for the photo-op.  It seems to me that some AA or AAA gunners would have claimed that one, rightly or otherwise, if it weren't for propaganda gain.
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guys ???
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2003, 06:21:15 PM »
hey guys ??? think about it ??? shoot the bird with a FMJ right in the turbine.... down she goes....
i've blown turbo's in semi's.. all it took was a itty bitty pice of dirt..[boom] !!!
just my 2 cents worth....
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Re: guys ???
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2003, 02:13:02 AM »
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hey guys ??? think about it ??? shoot the bird with a FMJ right in the turbine.... down she goes....
i've blown turbo's in semi's.. all it took was a itty bitty pice of dirt..[boom] !!!
just my 2 cents worth....
buckweet


It was shot down with a Czech 8mm Mauser 29" barrel manufactured by Bruno by Czechoslovakia for the Turkish Army. Buckweet is right probably an 8MM FMJ too. These choppers are made for night fighting not daylite fighting and they become an easy target in flying low in daylite. Their not as safe as the warthogs are. SOG has Czech Brno Mausers $69.95 but not for long as soon as the word gets out and it becomes sought after the price will go higher for sure so if you want one buy now quick.        BigBill