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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2006, 08:04:35 PM »
I am posting my varmint rifle on gun broker to get it so it could be some time.  I'll let you know ASAP.  

After looking into them it really looks like a fine rifle and after reading about the finish it sounds like the rifle could double as a canoe oar, ya never know when you might be up the creek without one right.  You cant beat the price either.

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« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2006, 02:52:29 AM »
If it were me I would wait for remington to come out with their new 798 rifle. A mauser 98 action imported for remington from yugo land

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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2006, 04:49:24 AM »
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If it were me I would wait for remington to come out with their new 798 rifle. A mauser 98 action imported for remington from yugo land

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Good advice.  I'm going to be having a .375 H&H built up on an Enfield P17 action I've got lying around, but if I didn't have it just sitting there begging to be built into something again, the Remington 798's would be the first I look at.

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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2006, 04:36:03 PM »
Any thoughts on the Ruger No.1 Tropical.  I was not really considering one but I now see they have them in SS.  Any one out there have one?  If so....how do you like????

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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2006, 01:34:53 PM »
I bought a Ruger No 1 SS and a laminated stock, in a .375 H&H this year.  It seems to be a good well built rifle.  It handles well and is very accurate for a large caliber.  There should be no problem to take a partrige at 50--60 yds. with it.

You might need more than 1 bullet if you are going to shoot a big nasty bear I would use my farm utility rifle.  It is a Marlin CB 45/70 with a williams peep sight. (400 gr. Barnes Originals at about 2000 fps.)  :money: :wink:

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« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2006, 02:24:21 PM »
If you can live with blued, go with the CZ.  I have one in 416 Rigby that will do 1" at 100 yds with 400 grainers.  My 6.5x55 Cz is better.  The set triggers are great for tightening groups and the price is right.

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« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2006, 09:38:23 AM »
The 375HH was designed from the get go as a Dangerous Game Cartridge.  I has great ballistics and power.  Just as important it feeds well because it has the sloped shoulder, it is not as abrupt as most american type cartridges (such as 375 RUM).  

The controlled round feed is an essential part of a DG rifle it is like an insurance policy there when you need it, a DG rifle is not a benchrest rifle so the possible loss in accuracy from CRF is no worry.

The other problem many have with a DG rifle is short stroking and jamming the rifle. Most shooters have not shot a rifle with an action that long before and at speed will pull back only as far as their standard rifle action length push two cartridges into the action.  With a push feed you have to pry them out with a tool.  With a CRF you can pull back and clear the one connected to the bolt and push the other out of the way or remove it.

Stainless steel is nice to have, beleive me I live in the rain forest of washington state but none of my rifles are SS.  You just have to make cleanup a part of your hunting ritual.  I for example shoot as my main rifle a 114 year old mauser it is in pristine like new shape been used every season hunting since after WW2 when my grandfather got it.  Its all about taking care of what you have and getting rid of the water.

It seems like there are only 3 relatively easily abtainable CRF rifles for you.
- CZ
- Winchester
- Ruger

The CZ or BRNO (brunos to those African PH's) are quite popular african rifles. Plus the hog back stock fits great for the iron sights(only way i hunt). Ask in the african hunting forum for more info as to what they use, the moderator there is quite knowledgeable.

Hope to be persuasive,
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2006, 05:11:32 PM »
TC, Thanks for your thoughts. I'm leaning toward a CZ and getting it coated if/when its time to head north.  However, I'm waiting until I see the Remington Mauser before I pull the trigger.
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« Reply #38 on: May 12, 2006, 11:34:18 AM »
I have a SAKO 375 H&H it is a very accurate rifle. I've had it for a long time bout 15 years. :D

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« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2006, 10:16:53 PM »
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Please let me know how your shoots.  I'm still looking for a XCR in 375 so that I can pick one up and handle it myslf.  I would like to handle as amny as I can before decide......but I often suffer from gunpulse buying..Good luck!

Well I finally got my hands on a XCR, it shot great and was a pleasure to handle. I wasn't impressed with the cheap pot metal they used for the hinged floor plate and trigger guard but I would imagine that Remington would replace it if it should break. This was a friends rifle that came up for a bear hunt.  He had puchased this rifle a few weeks before coming and had scoped it with a Burris Euro Diamond. The guy at Sportsmans Warehouse put the scope on it for him, but didn't tighten the windage screws on the rear base properly and didn't have the front ring tighten enough so the scope was moving with each shot. I don't know if that was the reason for the black specks that could be seen on 3X or if the scope just couldn't handle the recoil. Ounce we got the scope properly mounted and I adjusted the trigger to 3lbs it shot MOA groups with factory federal. He will be returning the scope for one without the specs.
I looked at the 375 H&H in a A-Bolt but was told buy a local gun shop owner that he has had 2 in his shop and has herd of alot more up in the interior with barrels that fail when shooting them in cold weather. He also said that the bed job from the factory is prone to delaminating. So I've ordered the XCR and should have it in a few weeks.
For what I will be using it for it will be perfect.

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« Reply #40 on: June 02, 2006, 01:59:01 AM »
If you are buying the .375 H&H as a DGR then I think you should be buying either the Winchester M70 or the CZ-550, or older ZKK-602 if you can find one. I would agree with totallycustom, pay attention to the writers on African Hunter. The CZ is the most widely used bolt action in Africa, by PH's. Both the CZ-550 and the Win M70 are really the only American rifles that pass the test for CRF Dangerous Game rifles, in Africa.


The reason I advocate the Brno or Winchester is due to the extractor. It will function positively in any conditions. I have not been to Africa. I have read a lot about it. The biggest factor in recommending the Winchester or Brno is because of the extreme heat and dust there. The rifle action can get jammed up and fail to extract on the Remington and such.


The African Professional Hunters Association does testing annually for prospective PH's and while they are testing the prospective PH's they are always evaluating all of the various rifles on the market. The Remington extractor frequently fails during demanding rapid fire tests, as does the Ruger even though the Ruger is a CRF and has a claw extractor. Go figure. Weatherby's fail utterly in these tests. I have never read of any Brownings even being evaluated, whatever that means... again, only the Winchester and Brno pass the test. Between Winchester and Brno, the Brno is rated #1.


I have a ZKK-602 in .416RM and a CZ-550 in .458 Lott so I have experience with the Brno rifles. The ZKK-602 is virtually identical to the CZ-550 with one critical difference; the safety works in exactly opposite directions, both are of course Brno's. So essentially they are the exact same rifle with cosmetic changes. I actually prefer the appearance of the older ZKK models, but that's a minor point (they changed the look of the bolt shroud among other small changes).


I hear lots of people say the CZ stock is cheap and splits easily. FWIW my ZKK-602 was built in 1989 and has the original stock. My .458 Lott was a .458WM that I had reamed out 1/3". I had the gunsmith that did the job glass bed the action and install Talley crossbolts plus a barrelband sling swivel. I am waiting on a Lee Factory Crimp die to arrive and then I am going to get working up some reloads for it. It is a simple thing to bed the action and install crossbolts, on a light recoiling .375 this would not concern me in the least. The Brnos weigh in at 9.3 lbs without scope. If you install a nice 1.5-6X scope on the rifle it is going to check in over 10lbs, so you will be amazed at the mild recoil.


My buddy just acquired a Win M70 in SS with synthetic stock. It looks like a pretty nice rifle and he told me the thing was very nice to shoot; mild recoil. His rifle has no scope yet. I guess he is looking at a Leupold for it.


I think the SS thing is over-rated. Buy a cleaning kit! Use it.  :eek:  


Whoever suggested a .375RUM well forget about that...  :roll:

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Re: Picking a 375 H&H Rifle---Help wanted!
« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2006, 05:41:47 AM »
I have a .375 in the Browning A-Bolt and two custom Winchester Model 70 .375's. I also have a .416 Rem Mag in a 700 out of the Remington Custom shop. All those are stainless steel. My other .416 is a production Model 70 in the Safari blue/wood configuration. I unfortunately sold my .458 twin to the .416 Model 70 Safari. The point here is that I have shot some of the best of the American makes that are being discussed. All of them are good, but I recommend the Model 70 with controlled round feed and its other excellent features. I do not have much experience with the CZ, but do know they are rough and really need some major attention from a custom gunsmith to be top notch and also the stainless option does not exist. Custom gun work is really a good idea on any rifle, especially one used for dangerous game.

I have never had a single problem with my .416 in the 700, shooting everything up through elephant, but I do prefer the Winchester action. Stainless steel is nice despite what others may say. Sometimes I am tired at the end of the day and don't get around to cleaning my rifle. All you have to do is look at a PH's rifle in a dry. southern African country to see that corrosion takes its toll even in the absence of wet, salty conditions. Our bodies add the moisture and salt, and blood does the same. I much prefer the looks of blued/wood rifles, but stainless/synthetic is more practical.

The Browning A-Bolt is a great rifle, but a month ago I had the magazine jam on me as I was trying to recharge it after firing all my rounds into a cape buffalo. My PH went ballistic and told me to leave my Browning in the US and bring one of the Model 70's next time. (The jammed magazine was not a problem then because the buffalo was on the ground after the third round and never moved again, but under different circumstances a jammed rifle will get you killed.) The magazine has been my only issue with the Browning. I like the 60 degree bolt rotation. The reason I took it on my last safari is that my son took his .338 in the exact same model A-Bolt and I wanted to be able to swap rifles without having different safety positions, bolt rotations, feel, etc. I have done some custom work on the rifle, but it is still not a Model 70.

The Model 70's are the best. My factory Safari rifles were great out of the box except for needing some trigger work, as almost all production rifles need. I can recommend Remington, Browning and Winchester, but if you have the chance to pick up a good Model 70 stainless, or even a Model 70 Safari, at price of $1,300 or less, buy it and feel lucky. The actions alone are going for $1,300 from the custom gunsmiths, if they even have one available. The NP3 and E-nickel finish from Robar are both excellent and should give you a lifetime of worry-free use unless you drop your rifle hard on sharp rocks multiple times. The black Teflon finish is the darling of the custom gunsmiths, but it WILL be damaged by hard use that would do little or no damage to the NP3 or E-nickel finishes. Any of these finishes can be removed and reapplied if they are damaged. I prefer to spend the extra $300 finding and buying a stainless rifle. Keep looking on Gunbroker.com and Guns America, and you will eventually see a Model 70 that will fit your needs.

If you are just going to shoot bears and such in North America, go buy a .338 Win Mag in the Model 70 Stainless and be happy. I would never own anything bigger except for Africa. The .338 Model 70 Classic in stainless is much easier to find and generally considerably less expensive, and you can usually get one new in the box for less than $1,000 and have the greatest all round caliber ever created outside of hunting African dangerous game. Have the barrel cut off to 23 or 24 inches and recrowned if it comes with the 26 inch barrel. That length is too long and unnecessary in the .338. The .340 Wearherby is a different story. I have three .338's, not including the Browning that I gave to my son. All mine are custom, stainless rifles from Rifles, Inc.: a very lightweight Remington 700 (6 pounds, 2 ounces scoped), a lightweight Model 70 (7 pounds, 2 ounces scoped) and a standard weight Model 70 (8 pounds, 3 ounces scoped). I do not need a muzzle brake with any of them, although the 700 came with a muzzle brake that I took off and replaced with a thread protector. I certainly understand if you just WANT a bigger cartridge. Most of us in this forum feel the same way.

Good hunting!

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Re: Picking a 375 H&H Rifle---Help wanted!
« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2006, 05:35:07 PM »
For the quality and cost combined, none of your choices beats the CZ. No it is not available in stainless but if you are going on a hunt in Alaska for a week or two, stainless does not make any difference.  A light cleaning with a little oil keeps a blued gun just fine in Alaska, Africa, South America or any where else for that matter.
With the CZ you get a much better recoil pad, the weight necessary to handle some of the recoil and fit / finish that can't be beat. 
There are a lot of PH's in Tanzania, S. Africa and other countries that are using CZ's.

Having said all that, my 375 is a Remmington C grade custom shop that I bought on Guns American for $1,000.  It is a beautiful piece of work.  I put a Pachmyer Decelerator and a muzzle break on it which makes it feel like a .270 Win.  However, my 416 Rigby is a CZ as is my 458 Lott.
They both are tack drivers and 100% reliable. 

As far as the PH rifles being a bit pitted, so what.  They do the job.  Who of us is a PH, in the bush most days of the week?  None of us.  Our rifles sit in a safe 50 weeks a year. 
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Re: Picking a 375 H&H Rifle---Help wanted!
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2006, 08:07:08 AM »
Not sure if Browning changed anything on A-Bolts manufactured in large calibres such as the .375 H&H you're looking at.  I've got one in 30.06 and it's the best shooting gun I own.  Good luck
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2006, 04:25:17 PM »
I picked up my 700 XCR 375RUM today.  It will be toward the end of the week before I have a chance to shoot it.   If it shoots as well as the one I have in 30-06 I will be happy.
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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2006, 09:22:02 AM »
I think the SAKO is just what your looking for.  Mauser action, control feed, stainless steel, and I beleive there is a .375 HH on gunbroker right now.

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« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2006, 07:35:14 AM »
I picked up my 700 Classic used for about $525 a couple years ago.  It shoot fabulous.  And that is a steal for a 375 usually.  I spent the money for a 3.5x10 Vari-X III Leupold, Warne Mounts and Rings, and this thing is fabulous.  I do wish it had a better than factory recoil pad, but it's not like I take it to the range every weekend and pound a couple hundred through it.

I would have preferred a controlled feed but nothing was around at a decent price when I got mine.

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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2006, 08:00:15 AM »
I picked up my 700 XCR 375RUM today.  It will be toward the end of the week before I have a chance to shoot it.   If it shoots as well as the one I have in 30-06 I will be happy.

Let us know how the recoil is... I heard its in par with 416 rigby's recoil

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« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2007, 10:44:52 PM »
I apologise for resurrecting an old thread, but there seemed to a bunch of knowledgeable guys here contributing on exactly the topic I wanted to ask about.

I'm in South Africa and have wanted a DG rifle for a while. After much shopping around and quite a bit of reading I looked over several (all 2nd hand as our new gun laws have reduced the choice).

I settled on a Mod70 Classic Stainless Synthetic in 375 H&H. I liked the idea of controlled round feed (simply from what I'd read, although I do wonder if it's really a big problem with modern designs). The stainless was not my idea of what my African DG rifle "should look like", but the more I hunt the more I decide it's really function over form.

I saw positive comments about the rifles, but wanted some thoughts on the stock. It seems very flexible to me and the fore-end seems likely to slap against the barrel under recoil. I was wondering if I may need to open up the channel to try to "float" the barrel. Are your rifles shooting okay "as is"?

Oh, and the dumb questions are because my licence application will take months (if I'm lucky!!) to approve, so I don't have the rifle and haven't shot it yet!

Thanks for any comments. Not that it matters, as availabitliy here is almost nil, but what is a reasonable price for a well looked after example?

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Re: Picking a 375 H&H Rifle---Help wanted!
« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2007, 06:02:56 AM »
Before you free float the fore-end, I suggest stiffening it by roughing up the interior surface so the filler has something "grab" and filling with a quality two-part epoxy automotive body filler, marine fairing compound or even fiberglass matt and epoxy.  Here in the US "Bondo" is a popular brand and recommended by Bryce Towsley in his book on home gunsmithing. 

You can bury carbon fiber tubes in the filler (broken fishing rods are a low-cost source) to add a great deal of stiffness without excessive weight.

I've reinforced and free-floated the fore-end and barrel a couple of different ways, and they all worked well.





 

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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2007, 09:40:11 PM »
Thanks for the suggestion. I figure I'll try to source some old arrow shafts from some of my bowhunting friends. Should work. I'll need to look inside that fore-end to see how to do it. I may need to Dremel in some space for the shafts I suspect.

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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2008, 04:22:30 PM »
After much thought, I bought my 375 H&H in a CZ 550. I have not regretted the decision. It's one hell of a tough rifle.  Two other rifles that come close are my Ruger 338Win. in an all-weather package and a Husqvarna in 358 Norma Magnum. Finding  ammo is a problem, though, with the  Norma magnum and the Ruger kicks like a mule as it is so light.  I can find no serious fault with the CZ 550  in  375 H&H.
It's a great caliber and a great gun.

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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2008, 04:23:59 PM »
I'd buy the Remington.  It's a tack driver.
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« Reply #53 on: September 02, 2008, 04:06:43 AM »
They are not talkng about a 30-06 (removed for personal attack). I expect everyone on GB knows that according to you only Remington in 30-06 is of any use anywhere in the world.

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