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Why not hunt Bigfoot with dogs ?
« on: March 26, 2006, 07:07:15 PM »
There seems to be a lot of people that claim to know specific areas where Bigfoot lives and travels. I have also heard about people that claim to have hair samples. I would think you could train some dogs to catch a Bigfoot without to much trouble. Dogs have been used to hunt just about every other animal.

The only problems I can think of are the hair samples are fake, or there are no Bigfoot's. I would like to think Bigfoot exists, it would make life more interesting.

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2006, 03:33:49 AM »
Interesting theory, but everybody, that I know that has dogs, to hunt with, the dogs, run away,or will not follow the trail of a bigfoot.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2006, 03:56:46 AM »
I have heard many tales about dogs and bigfoot. Usually these tales end badly for the dog.
Many people feel dogs have an inherent fear of bigfoot, I have seen odd behavior from my dog in areas of reported activity.
I think in a pack dogs of the right bloodlines would be effective.
The biggest drawback would be training, what would you use for scent?
I have a friend that runs beagles in an area of high activity and he says that any dog that shows aggression is killed by the BF even to the extent of trashing the kennel to get at the offending canine.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2006, 10:59:13 AM »
This probably dosnt have any thing to do with the subject much but i was coon hunten one night with a walker hound who was a hunten fool.This dog if he saw you were headed to the truck wouldnt let ya catch him because he wanted to keep hunting.He would hunt and when he hit a track he would let out one bark and wouldnt bark again till he had the coon treed,sometimes he would cover so much ground so fast i couldnt hardley hear him and have had to walk over a mile just to catch up to him by the tree.He was a hard hunter and would stick by the tree till i came no matter how long it took me to get there.
 Anyways we were hunting a river bottom one night,maybe had 3 or 4 coon pelts already when he came back to me,which wasnt the normal thing.This was around 3.am.I pat him on the head an told him to huntem up,go get em.He would not leave my side.No matter what i tried he would not hunt.This went on for couple minutes when i heard a a loud stick snap out in the woods not too far away :shock: Thats probably what my faced looked like.I shinned my light around with my hand on my little 22 revolver ready for something,not sure what but between the dog not moving from my feet and the sound i heard the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up.Time to go home :)
 That dog stuck by my side all the way back to the truck,which was a couple of miles.When i droped the tail gate he jumped up on it in a flash.I opened the door to his box and i swear i have never seen him dive in there so fast before,remember this is a dog who usally wont even go to the truck on a coon huntin night unless i drag him on a lease.
 What was out there that night i have no idea,didnt see nuthin,but that is about the only time i have ever really been spooked out in the woods.I have hunted that place for years and went back coon hunten there many times after that night and the dog hunted and we took a lot of coon.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2006, 11:49:10 AM »
Your dog seen a wood booger!
Thats what some oldtimers called em!

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2006, 12:19:32 PM »
Back years ago in ILL I remember certain areas our dogs would refuse to go. We ran fox hounds on weekends and there was one area in particular that those hounds would not go to. They'd get the hair up on their backs and growl real low. Once our neighbors dog knocked Les down when he ran from a chilling sound. The dog went to the truck and cowered in the box, tried to bite Les when he reached in to get him.  We had seen big cat tracks before and believed that was what they were afraid of. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2006, 08:09:35 PM »
There was a guy in south america that hunted Jaguar for years with dogs. I watched an outfitter on OLN that that used dogs to locate Leopard. Mountain Lions and Bears are also hunted pretty often here in the states with dogs. These animals will kill the dogs just as unpleasently as any Bigfoot could, Yet the thrill of the hunt drives them on.

So maybe dogs of the right temperment havn't been used yet. As for scent there are people that claim to have hair samples, know were brush was knocked down, foot prints, etc.. that should provide plenty of scent.

This is the part that loses me, how can an animal that is supposed to be this big not leave any sign. I can by in to the possibility that Bigfoot might be somthing from the past that has through luck, and maybe intelligence avoided capture. What I can't buy into is the fact that it is some mystical creature that can come and go at will without leaving any sign other than foot prints.

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2006, 05:06:36 AM »
Branch snaps, both small and large, when the wind is not blowing, often mean Bigfoot.  If you wait a while longer, a flesh and blood creature may pop out to let you know that it was not caused by a bigfoot.  Otherwise if you hear no retreating hoofs and nothing pops out, then it was probably a bigfoot, looking for some company.

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« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2006, 02:03:52 PM »
In 1969 and '70, I taught school.  One of my students, a good young horseman, lived with his family in a country house that set just off a road and on the same elevation as the road.  Just behind the house, their acreage dropped off sharply to the river bottom.  If my recollector is working correctly, the bottom was some 100 feet below the elevation of the house.  The river itself was just over their back fence.

That year, I bought my first horse, a Walker-Shetland cross.  I made a deal with my student to ride the colt for me.  On one day, he saddled the colt and rode down the slope to the bottom and back toward the river.
As he rode, he heard a noise that sounded, he said, like someone trying to start a reluctant chainsaw.  Thinking someone was in the bottom cutting wood, he rode toward the sound.  As he neared the source of the noise, the colt suddenly went crazy: it was all he could do--he was a good little cowboy--to stay with the colt and get him back to the house.

Our assumption was that a Black Bear had wondered up the river bottoms from Arkansas, but we were never sure.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2006, 05:31:36 PM »
Bigfoot can make raspy exhaling sounds.  It sounds similar to someone cutting wood with a saw.  I have heard it.  They can do it while invisible.  I had night vision and verified that nothing could be seen at the source of the noise.  The noise moved back and forth as the bigfoot moved back and forth acrossed the hill above me.

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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2006, 05:45:42 PM »
Firstly in most states it is illegal to harass wildlife unless in pursuit for an animal in an actual hunting situation.  In most states it is illegal to hunt anything that does not have a hunting season.

And since no one has ever caught one to determine if it is an animal or a lesser sort of human species, how can you advocate hunting humans with dogs.

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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2006, 06:04:27 PM »
I agree with peakoftherut the right strain of dog just hasn't been used. The Lee Brothers from Arizona hunted big dangerous game all over the world.
Hounds definately have individual preferences I had two littermate big game bred hounds they both treed coon, but one really liked bear and the other didn't by the same token the one that didn't show much interest in bear would run a bobcat or lion in a heartbeat, while the one that would  run bear didn't get excited over cats.
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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2006, 06:37:34 PM »
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Firstly in most states it is illegal to harass wildlife unless in pursuit for an animal in an actual hunting situation.  In most states it is illegal to hunt anything that does not have a hunting season.

On the ODWC website (www.wildlifedepartment.com) there is an official statement to the effect: "contrary to popular reports there are no Bigfoot in Oklahoma".  Therefore, how can one be in violation when "hunting" something which (according to the government) does not exist?  And we all know our government would NEVER lie to us, right?

And since no one has ever caught one to determine if it is an animal or a lesser sort of human species, how can you advocate hunting humans with dogs.

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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2006, 07:11:36 PM »
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"species listed in this book" "species that can be lawfully hunted with dogs)"   Bigfoots are not listed so NO, you may not hunt them with dogs.

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"....any part of the carcass of any wildlife, not legally taken." Not listed so it can not be legally taken.

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"or any subspecies except as otherwise provided by statute or commission rule."  If no one knows what a bigfoot is, you do not know if it is a subspecies, hencefort, can't hunt it.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2006, 09:46:45 AM »
Groundhogs are not listed, but we use terriers to go to ground on them all year long.
BF is just another varmit.
Hunt-em all year if ya can.  :)
Seriously one has to be provided in order to protect the remaining animals that will be subject to human encroachment.
One will be provided by someone it is inevitable, and a large caliber rifle round or heavi-shot has been known to tear thru the dimensional rift the at these animals pass thru, plays heck on the worm holes.
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2006, 10:19:48 AM »
With all do respect and I really do mean that!

  I can believe that maybe some thing has lived in  the large unpopulated areas of the world and we have not found it yet.  I have never seen one but I can accept that it is a possiblility.  But I am having a real hard time  with the worm hole thing and them flying.  Do most of the well known BF researchers accept the worm hole theroy?  :-)

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2006, 01:24:45 PM »
My Grandfather was a 'Federal Hunter' way back years ago.  He used Russian Wolf Hounds and traveled quite a bit with them.  Stories tell of him hunting wolves with them as far west as Yellowstone.  I wonder if he ever came across anything that scared those big old dogs?  My Grandmother used to have a photo of him with 4 or 5 of them standing with Grandpa..... them was BIG dogs!!!  He bred them and sent dogs all over the world and even sold some to a hunter in Australia.

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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2006, 01:55:29 PM »
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But I am having a real hard time with the worm hole thing and them flying. Do most of the well known BF researchers accept the worm hole theroy?


You and me both. No most do not subscribe to this, they feel he is a flesh and blood critter. But there is a branch of the clan that does believe this way. Sorry I just cannot take that idea seriously tho.


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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2006, 02:58:23 PM »
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With all do respect and I really do mean that!

  I can believe that maybe some thing has lived in  the large unpopulated areas of the world and we have not found it yet.  I have never seen one but I can accept that it is a possiblility.  But I am having a real hard time  with the worm hole thing and them flying.  Do most of the well known BF researchers accept the worm hole theroy?  :-)


NOOOOOOO.............
The vase majority of us do NOT subscribe to the para-bigfoot theory.
IF it exists...it's an intelligent(relatively...they ain't building chevy's), primate, I would guess at chimpanzee or perhaps slightly higher, level.
There is little or no indication of tool use..heck, there's really nothing other then tracks and eyewitness accounts.  
I think that again , IF they exist..they are rare, secretive individual creatures who have evolved along side, but largely out of sight, of  us...and are simply VERY good at eluding us.
If they are as rare as I suspect( a few hundred to a few thousand individuals, scattered all accross North America), then the lack of solid evidence is actualy not suprising at all.   If they have a relatively long lifespan, not many would die in any given year, and it's very  unlikely that of the handfull of individuals that do, they would be in a location likely to be found before nature reduced them to the lowest common denominator(which happens as you know, very quickly).
I stress that although I am involved in research, I do NOT  "belive" in them...I don't know yet.  
On day maybe I will...maybe one will walk out in front of me.  Those  who have had this happen(or belive they have), know the truth..but only they can truely claim that, and then..only for themselves.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2006, 03:16:32 PM »
Ever found an black panther dead carcass in central alabama?The state guys says there are none here.But an ocassional jaquar is possible.Well I have heard several and did get to see one a few years back.Very rare ocassion,so anything is possible.I have game cams and spend a lot of time in the woods each year,day and night,never have any proof of an jaquar either.Only one Ive seen was crossing county rd.
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2006, 03:41:42 PM »
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With all do respect and I really do mean that!

  I can believe that maybe some thing has lived in  the large unpopulated areas of the world and we have not found it yet.  I have never seen one but I can accept that it is a possiblility.  But I am having a real hard time  with the worm hole thing and them flying.  Do most of the well known BF researchers accept the worm hole theroy?  :-)


No serious Bigfoot researcher accepts that theory at all.
All of the "Real" researchers believe Bigfoot is a real flesh and blood animal.

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 03:49:18 PM »
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There was a guy in south america that hunted Jaguar for years with dogs. I watched an outfitter on OLN that that used dogs to locate Leopard. Mountain Lions and Bears are also hunted pretty often here in the states with dogs. These animals will kill the dogs just as unpleasently as any Bigfoot could, Yet the thrill of the hunt drives them on.

So maybe dogs of the right temperment havn't been used yet. As for scent there are people that claim to have hair samples, know were brush was knocked down, foot prints, etc.. that should provide plenty of scent.

This is the part that loses me, how can an animal that is supposed to be this big not leave any sign. I can by in to the possibility that Bigfoot might be somthing from the past that has through luck, and maybe intelligence avoided capture. What I can't buy into is the fact that it is some mystical creature that can come and go at will without leaving any sign other than foot prints.


I have heard of both cat and bear dogs being tried and both refused to hunt when taken to a trail. Many people have found foot prints and such and tried to get dogs to trail the animal. Every time that I have heard of the dogs refused to follow the trail.
Most people who are "into" Bigfoot a lot like myself feel that dogs have some sort of ingrained memory about Bigfoot or something. You know how some animals just know not to mess with other animals. Or some just know when something is around that can hurt them.
With all of the stories of Bigfoot killing dogs and such no wonder dogs do not seem to want anything to do with them. It seems that Bigfoot has some sort of hatred for dogs or something as at times they will go out of their way to kill them.

This same topic has been talked about over and over for many years on Bigfoot related forums.

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 04:00:44 PM »
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With all do respect and I really do mean that!

  I can believe that maybe some thing has lived in  the large unpopulated areas of the world and we have not found it yet.  I have never seen one but I can accept that it is a possiblility.  But I am having a real hard time  with the worm hole thing and them flying.  Do most of the well known BF researchers accept the worm hole theroy?  :-)


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The vase majority of us do NOT subscribe to the para-bigfoot theory.
IF it exists...it's an intelligent(relatively...they ain't building chevy's), primate, I would guess at chimpanzee or perhaps slightly higher, level.
There is little or no indication of tool use..heck, there's really nothing other then tracks and eyewitness accounts.  
I think that again , IF they exist..they are rare, secretive individual creatures who have evolved along side, but largely out of sight, of  us...and are simply VERY good at eluding us.
If they are as rare as I suspect( a few hundred to a few thousand individuals, scattered all accross North America), then the lack of solid evidence is actualy not suprising at all.   If they have a relatively long lifespan, not many would die in any given year, and it's very  unlikely that of the handfull of individuals that do, they would be in a location likely to be found before nature reduced them to the lowest common denominator(which happens as you know, very quickly).
I stress that although I am involved in research, I do NOT  "belive" in them...I don't know yet.  
On day maybe I will...maybe one will walk out in front of me.  Those  who have had this happen(or belive they have), know the truth..but only they can truely claim that, and then..only for themselves.


Additionally, I feel that they primarily live in a subterreanean environment (as mentioned in many NA legends and by way of conversation with a couple of tribal elders) which would greatly contribute to their ability to elude detection.

Statistically speaking IMHO we are rapidly closing down the time window for when one will be "discovered" and rendered for forensic evaluation.  Think of how much the (human) population of the planet has expanded in the last 100 years and how fast it continues to grow and encroach on the remaining "wild" areas.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 04:01:51 PM »
Nightwing:  

 Now you see your opinion is more in line with my thinking.  If one exists to my thinking it would have to be in a large unpopulated area.  I have never seen one/heard one.  But a awful lot of folks say they have and the stories/legends  date back many many years.  So many with such a strong opinion on there existance.  I just can't write every one of them off as toatlly false/mistaken.  So for now I keep an open but skeptical mind. I will never go hunting for one but I would like to see one!   :D

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 04:15:43 PM »
Wasn't there a big swamp in one of the southern states that was said to have a large number of BF in them?  I seem to remember seeing something on T.V. years ago about them hunting BF in this swamp.  I can see going out and trying to find one to photograph and what not  but I would be scared to death to shoot at one for fear it was a person playing a practical joke.

   You would think with all the bear baiting and the woods here in Maine we would have some or some pictures of some.  Most everyone uses a camera on the bait now days  :D

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« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2006, 05:34:58 AM »
People have a habit of attributing things to the "Paranormal", when for whatever reasons they can't seem to understand them, or quickly fit them somewhere within the confined space we define as reality.  

I remember listening to a late radio talk show, "The Eddy Schwartz Show" on WIND in Chicago back in the mid 1970s.  One night a caller told Eddie that there was a kangaroo hopping down the street in Chicago, of all places.  Of course over the next few days all the experts came forward and claimed that there were no kangaroos in Chicago except in the zoos, and the zoos accounted for all of theirs.  So the caller must have been mistaken or?  The radio was alive again for the next few weeks, of everyone and their grandmother popping out of the woodwork with explainations of these "Phantom Kangaroos".  Many of the same attributes given to bigfoot today by those that believe in those theories, were given to the kangaroo in Chicago.  A few weeks later, the kangaroo was in fact cornered in a back alley by two Chicago Police Officers.  While waiting for backup, and trying to keep the kangaroo cornered the kangaroo decided he had enough and attacked and physically injured both of the officers.  

So, could it have been a real kangaroo?  Considering that kangaroos have been reported all over Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois for years, it's possible.  The earliest report of a kangaroo that I could find referenced online, was 1899 in Wisconsin.  In December of 2005 it was reported that a kangaroo was killed by a Mauston, WI man as he drove down his driveway.  That turned out to be a 50 pound wallaby.  A few months later a 5 foot tall, 150 pound Red Kangaroo was captured in Iowa County Wisconsin.  Nobody knows where either of these creatures came from.  

Here is a link to watch video of the kangaroo being captured in Iowa County, you'll find it on the right hand side of this page, from CBS News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/10/national/main665977.shtml

Also bigfoot has been brought within the field of ufology, where people there have reported bigfoot as being aliens, pets or livestock of the aliens, members of a scouting patrol, and as even being the pilots of some UFOs that were spotted.

My feelings are if it exists it's a physical creature, not something of the paranormal realm or alien.

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Why not hunt Bigfoot with dogs ?
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2006, 05:57:10 AM »
Wisill,  People often seek to discredit true paranormal occurences, by telling a story of something that is unusual, but never paranormal.  In my Bigfoot research group, we had the top civilian UFO report taking person speak.  He specifically said that Bigfoot have been seen on UFO's, but have NEVER  been seen piloting UFO's.  I use the word paranormal, as a synonym for invisible.  Bigfoot is normally invisible to humans in our dimension.   That little tidbit tends to bother a lot of people.  It makes them uncomfortable.  Especially the ones that have had experiences with them and they were not pleasant.  I have not had those unpleasant experiences, even though I have had perhaps 70 such experiences.  That is most likely because I harbor no ill will nor hidden intent to maim or kill them.  Furthermore, I respect them as people, because from my experiences and the experiences of others, they are people.  For those that believe them to be animals and/or intend to kill one, the Bigfoot can easily sense this belief or intent, and will likely do what they can to see that that particular human, has a bad day.  Perhaps even a very bad day.  So we control how the Bigfoot reacts to us, based on the level of respect that we are willing to give them.  There is nothing random or inherently evil about how the Bigfoot deals with us.

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Why not hunt Bigfoot with dogs ?
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2006, 07:47:56 AM »
I accept on faith that there is a GOD and therefore must on faith accept that the devil must also exist. I accept on faith that both have angels who work their will here on earth. That some of them have and will from time to time be seen I can accept.

But paranormal bigfoot critters and flying humonids and travel between dimensions? Sorry I just can't take that seriously. I'll be nice about it but I just plain can't buy into that part of the legend.

That bigfoot the flesh and blood creature exists I'm open to accepting but need proof I've not yet seen first.


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« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2006, 10:33:20 AM »
Dogs won`t work cause BIGFOOT  has no oder glands. I thought everybody knew that.  
   You can`t find what you can`t smell.  
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2006, 05:37:12 AM »
i've been a houndsman and dog runner all MANY breeds..

i firmly believe..that no dog will run one.

there are many issues behind this:
1- when a monkee is bipedal..its too much like a man...
2- the pheremones given off by a monkee probably invoke all senses to leave the area..

dogs that show any aggression...
die..die in aggrevated manners.