Author Topic: Omega accuracy topic? (Read 844 times)

S.B. · « **on:** April 08, 2006, 03:20:12 AM »

While in a local retail store, last night, I was discussing accuracy issues with my Omega. The sales person asked me if I had ever shot lead bullets in this gun, and I informed him I had but, not many. He told me he had a close friend who had accuracy problems with his Omega after shooting lead bullets in his rifle and informed me that his friends cure was to use a good lead solvent and scrub the bore thoroughly, to remove any and all traces of lead left in the bore. I clean the bore, of course, every time I shoot this gun. But maybe I used the wrong technique?
Anyone here ever hear or experience this? Could it be, that traces of lead and plastic (sabots) don't agree with each other in these guns?

sabotloader · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2006, 05:52:13 AM »

S.B.

IMO there is always the possibility of lead or plastic fouling occuring in any rifled barrel. Your cleaning ritual, what ever that might be, should include some form of a lead/plastic solvent. I feel some people might make a small error here in not allowing the solvent time to work. Often shove the solvent down the barrel with a patch then wipe right afterwards. I am now leaving the solvent in the barrel for 30 minutes then rinsing and wiping. The color indications on the patch should/might give you an indication of what is going on.

For me in my particular case - I do not get lead fouling simply because I do not shoot lead bullets. But I do shoot tons of sabots so plastic fouling is a real possibilty. I think I have take steps to reduce this fouling while I am shooting and during my cleaning routine.

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=89761

After reading the other post on this forum about Omega accuracy issues, I did dig out a spare breech plug and to a lot closer look at it. The possibility of fouling it with moisture from wet/damp patching between shots is really a big possibility. There is a cavity inside the plug that if moisture or even moisture vapor were retained it certainly would effect the heat generated by the 209 thus effecting accuracy to a varing extent. If Redhawk1 picks up on this message he could look at his 25ACP pug and I am thinking he would not have that cavity. So that might provide an explanation why people shooting the 25ACP feel thay are getting better accuracy.

Just rambling thoughts....

S.B. · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2006, 06:41:08 AM »

sabotloader, I am familiar with bore cleaning procedure and on a rifle or handgun, use solvents. Sweets on rifles. The color of the patch would certainly show using Sweets, it is blue. With lead, Hoppes #9, the patch would just look dirty? But, on a muzzle loader, and with hot water cleaning or the T/C waterless solvent, not suire how much lead or plastic, this stuff would remove? I suppose I was more consernd with corrosion from the use of black powder or a substitute?

oneshotonekill · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2006, 09:30:31 AM »

I've had the same thing happen to one of my rifles. I cleaned it well with a solvent designed for lead removal (I believe it was shooters choice) then I used a bore mop coated with JB's bore polish to remove any stubborn lead deposits. This cured the problem and accuracy was better than ever. The lapping with JB's probably had benefits far greater than just removing the lead.

sabotloader · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2006, 06:17:48 PM »

S.B.

I do not know why I did not mention JB's - but I certainly second the thought, altough using JB's really should not be considered lapping, in my mind lapping actually removes steel from the barrel. JB's is not really designed for that it is designed to clean, smooth, and polish - should have a mirror look when you are done.

It certainly can not hurt....

AndyHass · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2006, 06:26:17 PM »

I can't say I've ever seen plastic fouling in one of my guns though I don't deny it could happen. I clean my Omega by using 5-8 hot water patches (until the last 2 come out clean), then 5-8 patches until bone dry; wait 5-10min for air-dry, then lightly oil a patch and run both sides. Sub-MOA, day after day. Looking down the bore, all I see is shiny shiny stainless steel.

S.B. · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2006, 12:30:05 PM »

Quote from: oneshotonekill

I've had the same thing happen to one of my rifles. I cleaned it well with a solvent designed for lead removal (I believe it was shooters choice) then I used a bore mop coated with JB's bore polish to remove any stubborn lead deposits. This cured the problem and accuracy was better than ever. The lapping with JB's probably had benefits far greater than just removing the lead.

What bullet and powder, and weights, do you use, now?