Author Topic: 45acp or 10mm (Read 1637 times)

mr.frosty · « **on:** April 08, 2006, 07:51:29 PM »

I need to decide on a new toy.
Which firearm choice is basically irrelevant at this point
cause I know which one to get. It's the caliber decision I need to make
and I can't decide on which one;45 ACP or the 10 mm.
So can I get some opinions from you all?

PaulS · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2006, 08:09:33 PM »

Quote from: mr.frosty

I need to decide on a new toy.
Which firearm choice is basically irrelevant at this point
cause I know which one to get. It's the caliber decision I need to make
and I can't decide on which one;45 ACP or the 10 mm.
So can I get some opinions from you all?

A lot depends on what you are going to use it for. The 45 is a great gun for targets and self defense and the 10mm is better suited for games where more power is needed. It is also good for self defense but will give more penetration than the 45 ACP and will penetrate through a man under most conditions.

The 45 ACP is comparable to a factory 45 Colt while the 10mm is closer to a 357 magnum as far as its power and recoil is concerned. Maybe between the 357 Mag and the 41 Mag (closer to the 357 than the 41 by quite a bit)

williamlayton · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2006, 01:12:12 AM »

The first thought thru this head was--what tha, you will end up with both anyway- then, back to the question.
I would agree with all that Pauls said and add a few more things to consider.
The end use of the weapon.
The location of the weapon.
If used for sidarm in the field--10MM
If used as home/personal defense-either
10MM is more apt to over penetrate in certain situations
.45 ammo is less expensive and easy to obtain
Both are easy to reload-.45 brass being slightly less expensive

The .45 is a more controlable weapon on firing-though this is subjective.
I think the first should be a .45 and the second a .10MM but if you do it the other way around you end up with both.
Blessings

Mainer · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2006, 01:57:09 AM »

Both are fine personal defense cartridges.

If you want to be able to buy ammo at a moment's notice on Saturday afternoon, .45 ACP wins.

If you want to buy bulk ammo cheaply at gun shows and via the internet, .45 ACP wins.

If you want a cartidge not everyone at the local range has, 10mm wins.

If you want a cartridge for use on deer-size game or for use at longer range, 10mm wins.

If you handload your ammo in bulk and don't need a power edge over the .45 ACP, it's a tie.

If it were me, I'd go with the .45 ACP unless I had (a) a top of the line progressive reloading set up and the time to put it to use (b) the funds and storage room to always keep 1,000 rnds of 10 mm on hand.

P.S., the two indoor ranges near me ban use of anything more powerful than .45 ACP, expressly including 10mm, so if you plan indoor range shooting you should take the rules of your indoor range into consideration.

kyote · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2006, 03:00:08 AM »

10mm is a better for games where more power is needed?

??
may be the bowling pin matchs??the .45 shines in that game.
I personely think both are fine for any thing you want to do.(with in the limits of the cartridge)the .45 has a wide range of bullets to choose from.and as far as penatration.you have more then enough.
my choice if having to pick one would be the .45acp. would not even have to think much about it..I have both.

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2006, 06:58:21 AM »

I looked up both cartridges in my Hornady manual and it appears the 10mm DOES have a power edge over the 45 but its not appreciably better as I see it. Don't sell all your 45 ACP guns to get some 10mm thinking you'll have a big advantage in a gun fight 'cuz it just ain't there.

Questor · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2006, 07:26:42 AM »

I dunno, Frosty ol' chum. It depends on what you've already got and whether you like to load for a multiplicity of cartridges. If it was me I'd probably stick with the good old 45 because my reloading stuff is already set up for it. If I wanted something more powerful than the 45, I'd consider the 10mm, but probably get a revolver of some kind.

myronman3 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2006, 08:18:24 AM »

there will be a 10mm in my future collection. it is an awesome round. anyone who doesnt think so hasnt played with one. i am as big a 45 fan as anyone, but the 10mm intrigues me;especially in the glock 20. 16 rounds! what is not to like?

mr.frosty · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2006, 08:55:09 AM »

I have a 480 but have been looking at the semi autos for awhile
and since quite a few I know have the 45 and I do like the 45 alot
I like to be different and am leaning more to the 10mm.
Getting ammo for either is not to big a problem ordering or buying at a
dealer locally.Thanks guys you all are a big help and I will keep ya posted
in what I end up with.

myronman3 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2006, 09:02:42 AM »

so which platform are you leaning towards? it sounds as though you have soemething in mind already?

mr.frosty · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2006, 09:41:25 AM »

Since most I know have a 45 I have liked the 10mm for several years.
I may end up getting the Tanfolio Witness and possibly the drop in for
the 22 for plinking and rodent control but the 10 will be the home and field gun.Its also a little easier to conceal than a SRH. Besides I need a new toy.

Savage · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2006, 09:58:13 AM »

I have a Witness 10mm in wonder finish, best $300 I've spent on a pistol! I invested another $65 in a .40 barrel just for grins. I have the capability to reload for either cartridge so ammo is not a problem. She is quite a boomer with full power 10mm loads. Did I mention, loads of fun to shoot as well?
Savage

mr.frosty · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2006, 01:45:10 PM »

I don't reload yet..but will someday so what factory loads will be
a good choice? The Witness is the one I am after if I end up getting
a 45 it probably will be either the CZ97 or the Witness with the conversion
to a 22.

Savage · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2006, 05:05:05 PM »

I hear the Double Tap rounds are first rate. I have no personal experience with them. I carry the 175gr Silver Tips in mine for serious social intercourse. My reloads are a bit hotter than the STs, I use Gold Dot bullets over a healthy charge of H-110 or Blue Dot. I haven't chronographed any of them yet. I have several .45s but this is my only 10. I played with a Glock 20 for a while, but like the Witness much better. I'm not real big on conversions. I have a Ciener 22 conversion for my full size Kimber that hasn't been out of the safe for a couple of years. You can buy a decent .22 pistol for the price of a conversion unit and have two complete guns.
Savage

Questor · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2006, 01:10:02 AM »

Frosty: Get the 10mm. You're really leaning in that direction and it'll give you the "difference" you like.

simplicity · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:52:54 AM »

Savage where did you get the barrel for $65? I've only been able to find them for 85.

Savage · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2006, 04:10:27 AM »

simplicity,
I bought the barrel about 3yrs ago from:

www.savysurvivor.com

Savage

Sir Knight · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2006, 05:06:28 PM »

Quote from: PaulS

Maybe between the 357 Mag and the 41 Mag (closer to the 357 than the 41 by quite a bit)

My understanding was that the 10mm was almost in the .41mag class.

PaulS · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2006, 07:26:09 PM »

Sir Knight,

I guess it depends on how you look at it:

357 Mag; 158 @ 1300 = .357 cal 160 gr bullet 1300 fps

10 mm; 180 @ 1300 = .40 cal 180 gr bullet 1300 fps +.040" +20 gr

41 Mag; 200 @1400 = .41 cal 200 gr bullet 1400 fps +.010" +20 gr

bore area of 10mm is .120 sq" larger than the 357 and the bullet weighs 22 grains more but it fires at the same velocity

bore area of the 41 mag is only .030 sq" larger and the bullet weighs 20 grains more but it gains 100 fps over the 10 mm

The larger jump in bore area should give the 10 mm a big advantage over the 357 - but it doesn't gain velocity like the 41 Mag does with less difference in bore area. That is why I say it is closer to the 357 than it is to the 41. Well that and the history of the 10 mm is that it was built to be closer to but slightly better than the 357 mag. The 41 was considered too much recoil for the FBI to handle but the 357 was easier to handle. It was designed as an auto so that it could hold more ammo than the revolvers. The 10 mm does just exactly what it was designed to do. It is unfortunate that they decided that most Law Enforcement Agencies could not handle it and introduced the 40 S&W with the same ballistics as the 45 ACP. OK, it is narrower so its easier to grip and you can hold more ammo than the 1911. A minor but valuable improvement.
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averynoonan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2006, 08:02:09 PM »

as stated above too bad it never caught on, i've owned both the S&W 1006 and the G20 (due to numerous dumb gun trades i now have neither) and they were both a blast, albeit somewhat impractical for carry.

i've always believed the 10 to be a great, flexible round.

that being said nugent must be a great shot, he talks about taking javelina from 75 yards or so w/ a g20...i was never able to come close to that w/ mine, i'm sure he has much more time (and ammo money!) to practice!

mr.frosty · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2006, 02:59:33 PM »

Quote from: averynoonan

as stated above too bad it never caught on, i've owned both the S&W 1006 and the G20 (due to numerous dumb gun trades i now have neither) and they were both a blast, albeit somewhat impractical for carry.

i've always believed the 10 to be a great, flexible round.

that being said nugent must be a great shot, he talks about taking javelina from 75 yards or so w/ a g20...i was never able to come close to that w/ mine, i'm sure he has much more time (and ammo money!) to practice!

plus he has corbon as a sponsor on his tv show...

papajohn428 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2006, 06:49:06 AM »

Frosty, it sounds like you're leaning towards the 10mm, and I think you'd be happier with it, just for the fact that it's a little different. The Ten is more flexible, useable bullet weights range from 135 to 200 grains, heavy stuff is good for deer and piggies if you want to hunt them with a pistol, and the 135's are outstanding manstoppers without the attendant overpenetration that gives the heavies a bad name. 45ACP ball overpenetrates human targets about 65% of the time, based on what I've read and seen, the hollowpoints are better but still not foolproof. But the 135 and 155 HP rounds in the Ten have a good reputation for expanding well and stopping quickly.

I've owned 45's, and decided the 40 was more to my liking. The Ten is just more of a good thing. More bullets, better ballistics, more flexibility. And I also favor the Witness as a good semi-auto platform. I've had mine (in 40) since 1990, and it gobbles up everything I stuff into it. My son and I spent fifteen hours at the range this week over three days (he was on Spring Break and wanted to SHOOT!) and we put around 800 rounds thru my Witness without cleaning it. It never bobbled, stuttered, or choked. It's been that way for 16 years and 34,000 rounds, mostly pretty hot. I highly recommend it. But a Smith 610 would also be very cool!

Keep us posted.

Papajohn

slink · « **Reply #22 on:** April 16, 2006, 04:17:14 PM »

and since .45 components, mags, ammo parts, guns, etc are much more commonly found, much lower in cost, and since you can reload the .45 to do anything the 10mm can do (given a fully supported barrel), the way to go is the .45.

papajohn428 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:29:14 AM »

I don't think ANYONE would condone loading a 45ACP to the pressure levels of the Ten! Supported barrel or not, that's just plain crazy. Posting something like that is just flat irresponsible.

Papajohn

John R. · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2006, 08:45:03 AM »

The 45 acp has been around forever,and there's a reason why. The 10mm is pretty much a dead horse. In another 20 years you probably won't be able to buy ammo. The 45 will do anything you described and do it well. :grin:

thales · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2006, 09:42:15 PM »

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And I suppose those pistols set records for reliability and durability. Plus, they didn't hardly kick at all, right?

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slink · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2006, 02:25:54 AM »

Wrong. It also is noted for its recoil. There's no soft loads commercially available for it, as there is the .45, either. Again, you don't HAVE to load a .45 to as high a pressure as a 10mm to get the same performance. You have less of a percentage of the bullet in contact with the rifling, ie, less friction. You have a larger bullet base for the powder gases to push-against, less pressure, and a larger case, ie, less pressure.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2006, 03:08:06 PM »

ya know the more I think about it the most logical solution is to
get a 45 acp.
Ammo is basically everywhere and depending on grain you
want to use is fairly cheap.
And since I like the 180 to 200 grain range it may be more feasible to
get the old 45.
Thanks guys for all the input.

Savage · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2006, 01:54:34 AM »

OR--------you could buy a fullsize Witness in you caliber of choice, then add a caliber conversion of your choice for $195 at:
https://shop.reedsammo.com/splashPage.hg
I just ordered a .45acp upper for my Witness 10mm. Can't wait to try it out!!
Savage

mr.frosty · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2006, 12:18:29 PM »

i forgot about reeds now i will check them out