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« on: April 13, 2006, 02:30:42 AM »
Blame Game: "I didn't have the benefit of a Democratic [sic] Congress. But I think given the fact that that wasn't the environment that I'd hoped for, we've seen some progress." —Hillary in '08 Clinton on the reason she hasn't delivered on her 2000 campaign promise to create 200,000 new jobs for the region **New York State has actually lost 112,000 jobs since Clinton was elected senator. But Democrat policies had nothing to do with it, of course.

How tall is Hillary?  I don't know... how high can you stack Bull $#!++?
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 04:45:48 AM »
Fire them all.  Vote libertarian.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 05:10:00 AM »
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Fire them all. Vote libertarian.


But if I did that who would codify their religious views and impose them on me?  It's not like I can think for myself you know.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2006, 10:17:50 AM »
Yes, or from the Socialist Democrap side of the aisle, impose their perverted views.

Maybe if the Liberterians can get someone to run who looks stronger than Twiggy's bicep, maybe we can get interested. This party just never seems to get any traction, I think it will take a well funded Independant with money like Perot, but without the Ears & squeeky voice. We will watch with great interest & I hope it happens.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 12:29:44 PM »
:roll: It is really sad, we do not have anyone in sight that I would even consider for President, like the last election, it is just a matter of voting for the lessor of two evils.  Unless someone steps out of the woodwork that stand tall it will be the same next election judging from those that say they plan to run.

As I said before, something is wrong when we select a Miss America from 50 beautiful women and have to elect a president by voting for the lessor of two evils. :shock:

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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2006, 12:31:36 PM »
Well put, Sir.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2006, 01:57:50 PM »
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:roll: It is really sad, we do not have anyone in sight that I would even consider for President, like the last election, it is just a matter of voting for the lessor of two evils.  Unless someone steps out of the woodwork that stand tall it will be the same next election judging from those that say they plan to run.

As I said before, something is wrong when we select a Miss America from 50 beautiful women and have to elect a president by voting for the lessor of two evils. :shock:


Vote third party for the libertarian candidates.......
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 02:26:47 PM »
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Vote third party for the libertarian candidates.......

Quote from: TM7
Look at independents carefully and the Constitutional Party as well.


...and in your honest effort to get a better president, you will split the republican vote and get another Billary for your efforts.

You can blame me for that one... I stand as an embarrassed Perot voter....  Never again.

The best way (IMO) to effect change is for those independents, constitutionalists and libertarians to run as republicans and change the party from the inside.

Look at what peta-type infiltrators have done to the Sierra Club... get in and change policy from the inside.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2006, 05:20:56 PM »
Ian, all of what you said is correct. Hillary is counting on it in fact & if she has a chance at all to run, you can bet they will do a deal with someone
like Liberal McCain to split the Rep. vote. Otherwise she won't run as she cannot win a two person race. The Clintons are not wise, but they are cunning & have alot of political savvy. And yes, the party has to be changed from within & new people joining the GOP does not make them members of the NWO by any means.

BTW, victorcharlie, thanks for the NWO info. I know at least the "bluebloods" are involved.  

The Libertarians have never offered anyone who had a dog's chance. I
like what I know about the Constitutional Party much more, maybe they can find a STRONG, STRONG & well funded & high profile conservative to run. But I think that it would not have to come from either of these, look what Perot did. If the support is there & the possibility is real, I could vote for this person, but I won't vote for someone else to make a statement because that "statement" will be forgotten the day after the election anyway, no one will know.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2006, 01:51:25 AM »
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Quote from: victorcharlie
Vote third party for the libertarian candidates.......

Quote from: TM7
Look at independents carefully and the Constitutional Party as well.


...and in your honest effort to get a better president, you will split the republican vote and get another Billary for your efforts.

You can blame me for that one... I stand as an embarrassed Perot voter....  Never again.

The best way (IMO) to effect change is for those independents, constitutionalists and libertarians to run as republicans and change the party from the inside.

Look at what peta-type infiltrators have done to the Sierra Club... get in and change policy from the inside.

Ian


right on.

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2006, 03:39:56 AM »
There has never been and there will never be a President that can satisfy everyone.  Believe it or not, even third party candidates have warts.  The best we can hope for is that the primary process, flawed as it is, will sort out the best candidates available at the time, who are willing to and able to take a run at it.

This country has grown so diverse and the problems of the country and the world are so complex that it puts a palpable strain on our system of selecting a truly representative leader.  

Once selected, our leaders face an overwhelming challenge to their ability to lead.  Even if a President receives a substantial majority of electoral and popular vote, it isn't long before the media goes into attack mode and if they can't find a legitimate issue as a basis for their attack, they will invent one.  All too often, the party that is out of office thinks that it is their sworn duty to oppose everything that the party in power is trying to do.  

I think anyone who is willing to take on the job of the Presidency is making a tremendous sacrifice in their personal life.  Most of them would live longer and certainly have a happier life if they stayed away from that most stressful job.

Bottom line is the next election will be interesting.  Heck, the primaries should be a genuine war.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2006, 06:17:46 AM »
You know, this country is in one heck of a mess.  Both parties are too far apart, one totally left and the other far right, with no compromise from either side.  And the country is equally divided.  Those of us that sit in the middle are afraid of either party getting the upper hand.  Right now they are both cancelling each other out.

Now there is a chance for a new party.  Once the mexicans that live here start voting, and their people start running for office we can have a third party.  While the other two are squabbling over abortion, gun rights, religion, and all the other things that keep them apart, the latino party can take over.  Spanish can become the national language in our life time, since no one wants english as the national language.  And the treasury in DC can start printing Pesos.

Our recent past and current presidents instead of pulling the country togeather have split it farther apart.  Both parties are pushing their agendas to the point that a lot of americians don't want either party to gain the upper hand.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2006, 02:10:39 AM »
Magooch is right on ..
  Our country is now so diverse, no one person could possibly serve as President and satisfy MOST of the people...say nothing about all...

   The really stinky part is when people keep attacking and trying to destroy the one the majority elected...especially those that carry " politics past the water's edge ".. This does our country real harm..
 
    Most egregious is when past Presidents carry these gripes to foreign countries, trying to discredit their own homeland...

   Most of the past Presidents have the couth and courtesy to understand that they are PAST Presidents..they don't try to denigrate a sitting President.....But there are a couple that have not learned what the adjective " PAST " means...someone should put a mitten in their mouths...
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2006, 03:30:18 AM »
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You know, this country is in one heck of a mess.  Both parties are too far apart, one totally left and the other far right, with no compromise from either side.    

Sourdough, I can agree that the Dumbycrats have surely gone so far to the left that they really should rename their party (socialist, hypocrite, demagogue party would be appropriate), but to say that the Republican Party has gone to the right, misses the mark by a wide margin.  If anything, the Republicans of today are further left than the Dumbycrats of yesteryear.  And that's a shame.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2006, 04:26:08 AM »
I have to agree with Magooch. The Republicans are sounding and acting more like Democrats every year.  :cry:  This 'politically correct' bull pucky will be the death of this nation.  Let's go back to doing what's right for the country and not doing what sounds nice to some groups of people.     :evil:
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2006, 06:20:01 AM »
Both the Democrats and the Republicans are the party of big business.  They are going to do what will make Theresa Heinz Kerry, and Dick Cheney the most money.  There is no difference really, they both are socialist in nature and will both take us to the same place, just the democraps will get us there a little faster.

Haywire, I voted for the little general as well......I too, said I'd never vote third party again......but......I cannot in good conscience vote for more of the same......especially having taken the time to really examine how and why we got where we are, and them making an educated guess as to where we are headed.

Here are the ten planks of the communist manefesto:

    1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
    The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance
    We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels
    We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
    We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). This private bank has an exclusive monopoly in money creation which in reality has ended the need for revenue from taxes. So why do they tax? To FOOL YOU into thinking they need them.

    6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State
    We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations. There is also the postal monopoly, AMTRACK and CONRAIL

    7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
    We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

    8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
    We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
    We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.

    10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
    People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .

    So I ask you...does changing the words, change the end result? By using different words is it all of a sudden OK????? We are so "smart," aren't we??
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2006, 08:04:36 AM »
Well, I guess we will see if an Independent worthy of our vote runs, I hope
so!
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« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2006, 04:10:00 PM »
Quote from: Haywire Haywood

The best way (IMO) to effect change is for those independents, constitutionalists and libertarians to run as republicans and change the party from the inside.


Disclaimer: I am a member of the Libertarian Party, so be forewarned. :lol:

The Libertarian philosophy is just as different from the Republicans as it is from the Democrats.  Libertarians are very much about freedom and "fending for yourself".  Freedom to do what you want so long as it doesn't directly (and that directly is a very key point) harm anyone else.

Basic party points:
- No restrictions on gun ownership (you'll find the Libertarians just as much if not moreso adamant about this than the Republicans)
- Elimination of most welfare programs.
- No (or very, very limited) censorship.  If they show a boob on TV it's not the end of the world.
- Equal rights for all races, genders, and/or sexual orientations.  (ie, No harrasment or discrimination against homosexuals, women, or any race.  Everyone who is a citizen of this country is equal.).
- (Regulated) Legalization of most narcotics.
- (Regulated) Legalization of prostitution.
- Continued legal status of abortion (one of the few party-level ideas I disagree with)
- Very open immigration (but coupled with the reduction or eliminated of welfare)
- Major cutting of taxes (to coincide with reduced social services)
- Butting out of most foreign affairs.  If someone attacks us or poses a very direct threat to us then we call up the military, but other than that, the troops stay home.
- Strong support for individual privacy.  So long as I don't give just cause to investigate something, the government should butt out.

You can't really say we should join the Republicans.  Both of the major parties are very, very much not like the Libertarians.

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2006, 04:20:40 PM »
Personally I HATE UM!!!!! I vote for the one that I think is going to STEAL the laest from me!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2006, 04:40:13 PM »
I don't think the founders would have charged the Gov. with regulating prostitution or narcotics which would have to be done at least to a degree
if legal, which contradicts the basic philosophy of Libertarians.

I believe in freedom as the Founders did, which is far different that the points previously described, as the Moral conponent is thrown out, more like a Democracy than a Republican form of Government. And no, I don't care what 2 consenting Adults do in private or what is on pay for view, I
would prefer that it is not on prime time while trying to watch a show with my kids.

Thanks for reminding me as to why I am not a Libertarian, but I would not rule out voting for one if it is the right person. But, I would favor someone from the Constitution Party or Taxpayers Party, as they are not likely to be a Lib., but to each his own & anything is better than the Communist Party or Socialist Democrap.
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2006, 03:54:51 PM »
I think the problem is that both parties are 100% secure in their power.  There is no more competition.  The majority of power may fluctuate between the two from year to year, and media blitz to media blitz, but for the most part they know they are going to be #1 or #2, and if they are #2 they can just sit back and make fun of #1 until he is #2.  I think they are both #2. :evil:

We really need to get back to the state of having 5-6+ almost equally strong political parties, but I don't know how it would be possible to get there.  

MGMorden,

Could you PM me some info on the Libertarian Party in SC.

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2006, 01:18:26 AM »
The onliest concern, but it is big, with the Libertarian view is its lack of focus and personal freedom has no limitations.
The libertarian view, without an amount of constraint/limitation, would bring anarchy and I am concerned that that is the background of thought anyway.
There must be constraints.
There is some need for welfare though we have taken it to greater porportions than we can afford.
Not everone can handle COMPLETE freedom, some cannot even handle limited fredom.
Sadly, there are no more statesmen--they are both villified and denounced by both parties.
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A way must be found thru strong statesman leadership to right the ship or it will capsize to the right or left.
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2006, 11:22:24 AM »
The old saying is- "a free country is only as strong as the self disipline of the people of that country...

Libertarians dont seem to allow for any self disipline.  EVERYTHING is OK.  Thier thinking also seems to not allow for any thought of the result of some behavior now on the long term well being of the future.

As for as Rep's and Dem's,  they seem to both now have 2 party's in each party.  The EXTREME left in the Dem's, the EXTREME right in the Rep's.

Does that mean we have really 4 parties?

Maybe we should brake them up?  How about Republicans, Democrats, Liberal, & Conservative party's? Coalition Goverments DO work in many countries.  Leave the Presidency as is, elected nationally, both houses would then have to form coalitions with in each to select leaders and move legislation.

Just a thought....

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2006, 12:03:27 PM »
Quote from: rockbilly
:roll: It is really sad, we do not have anyone in sight that I would even consider for President, like the last election, it is just a matter of voting for the lessor of two evils.  Unless someone steps out of the woodwork that stand tall it will be the same next election judging from those that say they plan to run.

As I said before, something is wrong when we select a Miss America from 50 beautiful women and have to elect a president by voting for the lessor of two evils. :shock:
:grin:Man you hit the ball right out of the park with that one.
I will most likely catch you know what for what I am about to say " I ain't gonna vote at all because they all lie to the american public. I love my country but I fear my govn't. I have the up-most respect for our men, and women that wear the uniform ;but not for the leadership. Yes I was Rep,
voted for Bush  sure as heck wouldn't waste my time on the Democratics.
Again just my feelings and such!
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2006, 06:23:52 PM »
Dave, your right.

The Dems will sell out thier country for power.  If you dont think so, just ask what would they bedoing differently if the are doing it.

P*#s poor state of affairs to have to vote for "less damage"....

What happened to leaders/statesmen???

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« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2006, 11:14:59 PM »
Quote from: Dave Shooter
I love my country but I fear my govn't.


Shame shame Dave, you misspelled "gubmint"  :-D  :-D

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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2006, 05:13:00 AM »
Hillary for President? :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2006, 07:54:44 AM »
The Democratic has thousands of politicians, some of which are even quite good. So if Hillary is the best they can come up with to run, they should toss Ole Teddy out on his butt, as he seems to be the boss.

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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2006, 08:09:17 AM »
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" :x GAG-ACK-WRETCH-SPEW-RALPH-ARGH!!!  :cry: "

If THAT gets the nomination, there may be hope to have another term without a Socialist Party CEO...

Here in the People's Republic of The NE United States voting in the presidential election is an exercise in futility if you are not a bleeding-heart leftist, the electoral ALWAYS goes pinko! :evil:
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